Evolution is a part of a "strong delusion" in the end times?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

These comments make even less sense than your last post.

It's all from SCRIPTURE: (this and many other places):
Isaiah 14:1-17Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
14 For Adonai will have compassion on Ya‘akov — he will once again choose Isra’el and resettle them in their own land, where foreigners will join them, attaching themselves to the house of Ya‘akov. 2 Peoples will take and escort them to their homeland, and the house of Isra’el will possess them in the land of Adonai as male and female slaves. They will take their captors captive and rule over their oppressors. 3 Then, when Adonai gives you rest from your suffering and trouble and from the hard service imposed on you, 4 you will take up this taunt-song against the king of Bavel:

“At last the oppressor is stilled,
his arrogance is ended!
5 Adonai has broken the staff of the wicked,
the scepter of the rulers,
6 which furiously struck down peoples
with unceasing blows,
angrily beating down nations
with relentless persecution.
7 The whole earth is at rest and quiet.
They break into song.
8 The cypresses rejoice over you,
with the cedars of the L’vanon —
‘Now that you are laid low,
no one comes to cut us down.’

9 “Sh’ol below is stirred up
to meet you when you come.
It awakens for you the ghosts of the dead
who were leaders on earth;
it makes all the kings of the nations
arise from their thrones.
10 They all greet you with these words:
‘Now you are as weak as we are,
you have become like us!
11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh’ol
with the music of your lyres,
under you a mattress of maggots,
over you a blanket of worms.’

12 “How did you come to fall from the heavens,
morning star, son of the dawn?
How did you come to be cut to the ground,
conqueror of nations?
13 You thought to yourself, ‘I will scale the heavens,
I will raise my throne above God’s stars.
I will sit on the Mount of Assembly
far away in the north.
14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,
I will make myself like the Most High.’

15 “Instead you are brought down to Sh’ol,
to the uttermost depths of the pit.
16 Those who see you will stare at you,
reflecting on what has become of you:
‘Is this the man who shook the earth,
who made kingdoms tremble,
17 who made the world a desert,
who destroyed its cities,
who would not set his prisoners free?’

Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

 

[SteveB28]

I would slightly disagree, we learn more about our natural world by self-experience. However, what I mean is that, no information (or, more correctly 'tentative' information) gained by scientific inquiry has provided anything of substantial meaning or relevance to humankind. Which is to say, for example, the tentative theory of a big bang provides information which is substantially irrelevant. In other words, in light of this tentative information, people are still divided, wars are still on going, women are still being abused, children are still going hungry, bills are still needing to be paid, lives are still emotionally difficult.

So to the tentative proclamation that "This is how we theorize things came to be the way they naturally are" the collective of humanity is subconsciously replying, "Who cares?"

Yes, "who cares" about that wholly irrelevant Germ Theory idea...............what a waste of time that was....!

You have to be kidding.........



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[HitchSlap]

It's all from SCRIPTURE: (this and many other places):
Isaiah 14:1-17Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
14 For Adonai will have compassion on Ya‘akov — he will once again choose Isra’el and resettle them in their own land, where foreigners will join them, attaching themselves to the house of Ya‘akov. 2 Peoples will take and escort them to their homeland, and the house of Isra’el will possess them in the land of Adonai as male and female slaves. They will take their captors captive and rule over their oppressors. 3 Then, when Adonai gives you rest from your suffering and trouble and from the hard service imposed on you, 4 you will take up this taunt-song against the king of Bavel:

“At last the oppressor is stilled,
his arrogance is ended!
5 Adonai has broken the staff of the wicked,
the scepter of the rulers,
6 which furiously struck down peoples
with unceasing blows,
angrily beating down nations
with relentless persecution.
7 The whole earth is at rest and quiet.
They break into song.
8 The cypresses rejoice over you,
with the cedars of the L’vanon —
‘Now that you are laid low,
no one comes to cut us down.’

9 “Sh’ol below is stirred up
to meet you when you come.
It awakens for you the ghosts of the dead
who were leaders on earth;
it makes all the kings of the nations
arise from their thrones.
10 They all greet you with these words:
‘Now you are as weak as we are,
you have become like us!
11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh’ol
with the music of your lyres,
under you a mattress of maggots,
over you a blanket of worms.’

12 “How did you come to fall from the heavens,
morning star, son of the dawn?
How did you come to be cut to the ground,
conqueror of nations?
13 You thought to yourself, ‘I will scale the heavens,
I will raise my throne above God’s stars.
I will sit on the Mount of Assembly
far away in the north.
14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,
I will make myself like the Most High.’

15 “Instead you are brought down to Sh’ol,
to the uttermost depths of the pit.
16 Those who see you will stare at you,
reflecting on what has become of you:
‘Is this the man who shook the earth,
who made kingdoms tremble,
17 who made the world a desert,
who destroyed its cities,
who would not set his prisoners free?’

Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

WTH?!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

(SCRIPTURE is the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE'S WORD.)
(SCRIPTURE is the WORD OF THE CREATOR)
It is astonishingly and extravagantly and super-generously more
than all the so-called classic literature, histories, and all other kind of literature combined.

And it will last forever, without change. Probably difficult to find anything you know of with even 0.000001% of the value or life-span. (except of course, a person)

 

[HitchSlap]

(SCRIPTURE is the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE'S WORD.)

It is astonishingly and extravagantly and super-generously more
than all the so-called classic literature, histories, and all other kind of literature combined.

And it will last forever, without change. Probably difficult to find anything you know of with even 0.000001% of the value or life-span. (except of course, a person)

I have no idea what you're even saying.

Good night.

 

[John Hyperspace]

Yes, "who cares" about that wholly irrelevant Germ Theory idea...............what a waste of time that was....!

You have to be kidding..........

Not at all. Medicine itself is without substantial benefit to mankind. That it has an substantial effect is an illusion of misperception. For instance, medicine cured polio. But that has no substantial impact on the state of well-being, since no man cares about what "he can't get/doesn't have" but only cares about what "he can get/does have"; once polio was cured, mankind still had the same potential to become crippled by disease.

In other words, mankind can and does succumb to "crippling/deadly disease" of myriad sorts; because "medicine" has rendered one impotent has no effect on the concept that mankind can and does succumb to "crippling/deadly disease" so nothing meaningful has actually occurred.

I presume "medicine" is the only "card" in the hand? Are there any other fields of scientific investigation which you feel provide substantial and meaningful information for use by mankind in the real problems it faces?

 

[John Hyperspace]

Maybe you missed my intent; pick any one of the problems you mentioned, and I'll show you how science has/is providing solutions for them.

Savvy?

Division: i.e. Muslim hates Jew, Nazi hates Black, etc.

 

[SteveB28]

Not at all. Medicine itself is without substantial benefit to mankind. That it has an substantial effect is an illusion of misperception. For instance, medicine cured polio. But that has no substantial impact on the state of well-being, since no man cares about what "he can't get/doesn't have" but only cares about what "he can get/does have"; once polio was cured, mankind still had the same potential to become crippled by disease.

In other words, mankind can and does succumb to "crippling/deadly disease" of myriad sorts; because "medicine" has rendered one impotent has no effect on the concept that mankind can and does succumb to "crippling/deadly disease" so nothing meaningful has actually occurred.

I presume "medicine" is the only "card" in the hand? Are there any other fields of scientific investigation which you feel provide substantial and meaningful information for use by mankind in the real problems it faces?

I presume that you don't drive a car, have never flown by plane, not amused yourself with tv, film or internet, grow all your own food, synthesise all your own medications, run your house by candle power, spin and weave all your own clothing and diagnose all your own illnesses.....!??

If all the answers are a 'yes', then I can see why science is irrelevant to you....!

But you might take a look over your neighbours' fences...... most of the rest of benefit very nicely from the information and innovation that the scientific method has provided us.

And please........rendered only ONE disease "impotent"? Now I know you're kidding........!



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[SteveB28]

Division: i.e. Muslim hates Jew, Nazi hates Black, etc.

That's the easiest one......

Ignorance. Ignorance promotes fear and suspicion of the unknown, of the 'different'. It also,promotes superstition. Scientific enquiry encourages understanding, a search for knowledge.

 

[John Hyperspace]

I presume that you don't drive a car

I do drive a car. It is irrelevant, insignificant and meaningless in relation to the real problems facing mankind. I can now travel farther than on a horse. There is still division, strife, suffering, etc. I could also argue the potential the car has for being, a detriment to society in ecological ramifications.

have never flown by plane, not amused yourself with tv, film or internet

Same as "car"; am I to understand that you believe that the invention of the television has somehow caused a meaningful alleviation of strife, division, suffering, abuse, death, etc.?

grow all you own food, synthesise all your own medications, run your house by candle power, spin and weave all your own clothing and diagnose all your own illnesses.....!??

You would need to demonstrate that any of the things you are mentioning actually have a meaningful effect on the problems the world faces due to, division, strife, suffering, abuse, etc. All you are demonstrating is the ability to state "things science has done" (I would also reject such things as "growing food for others" as something accomplished by "science" and rather by, farmers). I have not proposed "science has accomplished nothing" but that "investigation of the natural world (especially theorectical sciences) has produced no meaningful change, and no information with substantial or meaningful use in alleviating the problems of mankind."

And please........rendered only ONE disease "impotent"? Now I know you're kidding........!

Before medicine cured any disease, man was subject to crippling/deadly disease; after science cured X diseases, man is still as equally subject to crippling/deadly disease. Nothing meaningful has come of medicine in the face of the true statement "man is subject to crippling/deadly disease"

What has been cured is now irrelevant, as stated. Man has no worry/care about what he "can't get/doesn't have" but only about what he "can get/does have"; the fact that disease X is no longer viable does not solve the problem that dieases A-Z are still viable. No one with cancer cares that polio was cured. This is like playing a game of Russian Roulette with a gun holding 10,000 bullets, removing a bullet from the chamber and claiming you have done something "significant" when you have done nothing of meaningful significance. The man spinning the chamber is still going to be worried about bullets 1-9,999 and couldn't care less that one bullet is missing.

 

[John Hyperspace]

That's the easiest one......

Ignorance. Ignorance promotes fear and suspicion of the unknown, of the 'different'. It also,promotes superstition. Scientific enquiry encourages understanding, a search for knowledge.

Am I to understand that you are of the belief that "systematic investigation of the natural world through the scientific method" has anything to do with alleviating "ignorance" which causes racial/theological/cultural/philosophical division? Could you please outline this in the scientific method used by you in such "investigations"?

Many things encourage understanding. Ethical philosophy encourages understanding. Am I to understand that you believe "scientific investigation of the natural world by means of scientific method" is a philosophy of ethical understanding? If so, I question your understanding of the word "science"

 

[AV1611VET]

Thoughts?

This is a pet theory of mine that I think is plausible:

The Antichrist is going to be a superscientist, whose forte is going to be cosmic evolution.

His magnum opus, performed during the Tribulation period, is going to be a display of abiogenesis.

Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

So effective will it be, that scientists will line up to take the Mark; after which they will then go after the Tribulation saints with a vengeance.

When Jesus returns, He will put an end to this theory of evolution once and for all; possibly by taking evolutionists back in time to the Creation week and letting them see firsthand how God orchestrated it.

 

[SteveB28]

Since medicine seems to be your 'pet peeve'.......

What has been cured is now irrelevant, as stated.

Unless you have forebears who died from smallpox, malaria, polio, diphtheria, urinary tract infections, measles, mumps, etc, then I suppose the advances we have made in that direction would be irrelevant.

Unless, like I, you lay awake as a child, listening to your younger brother struggling to take each breath and wondering if he was going to survive the whooping cough that afflicted him, then our cure of that disease would be irrelevant.

Unless you are aware of the increase in life expectancy of some 15 years, just from the introduction of modern dental practices, then this advance in knowledge might be irrelevant to you.

Fortunately, most of us are not so willfully ignorant.....

Man has no worry/care about what he "can't get/doesn't have" but only about what he "can get/does have"; the fact that disease X is no longer viable does not solve the problem that dieases A-Z are still viable.

And our progress over the last 100 years or so in eradicating infectious diseases speaks for itself. And we haven't finished yet....

No one with cancer cares that polio was cured.

Except they no longer have to fear contracting BOTH.....!

This is like playing a game of Russian Roulette with a gun holding 10,000 bullets, removing a bullet from the chamber and claiming you have done something "significant" when you have done nothing of meaningful significance. The man spinning the chamber is still going to be worried about bullets 1-9,999 and couldn't care less that one bullet is missing.

We have removed many of the "bullets" already.....and continue to remove more of them weekly.....

 

[Armoured]

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


What is a more powerful delusion in these days than the theory of evolution, the age of the earth, and all things that stemmed forth from these theories to create the current secular ways of thinking?

Scripture says in the end times there will be a strong delusion sent by God purposely so that unbelievers and unrighteous people will believe a lie.

Now I don't believe evolution and such are all that will be put forth. There will be more to come that will be added to those theories. I also don't believe it's saying that all who believe in the current theories put forth are damned - no, I see it as saying that the final theory will be put forth will be a "believe or don't" type of thing, aligning with most likely the mark of the beast and things of that nature.

I don't see how evolution and age of the earth and other like-minded theories cannot be a part of it really. They're too powerful, too well-known, too believed.

It seems as though there will be final separation. Those who believe the lie, the goats, and those who believe the truth, the sheep. And it appears evolution is a big factor in this separation.

Thoughts?

My thought? "no". Also, evolution has been accepted theory for quite a while now. Just how long are these "end times" meant to last?

 

[CodyFaith]

My thought? "no". Also, evolution has been accepted theory for quite a while now. Just how long are these "end times" meant to last?

Well, I never meant to say or suggest we're currently living in the end times. Only, when the end times approach, the theories will still be present and believed.

 

[SteveB28]

Am I to understand that you are of the belief that "systematic investigation of the natural world through the scientific method" has anything to do with alleviating "ignorance" which causes racial/theological/cultural/philosophical division? Could you please outline this in the scientific method used by you in such "investigations"?

It isn't a belief.....it's an understanding borne of observation of the evidence.

Where do those divisions and causes of strife occur more frequently?

Amongst the ignorant, the uneducated and the superstitious....!

Many things encourage understanding. Ethical philosophy encourages understanding. Am I to understand that you believe "scientific investigation of the natural world by means of scientific method" is a philosophy of ethical understanding? If so, I question your understanding of the word "science"

Question away.....

Yes, indeed, there is an ethical principle which drives scientific enquiry.....it's called 'being honest'. Being prepared to adjust/jettison an understanding in the light of new evidence. Being prepared to draw only tentative conclusions based on one's observations, rather than a claim to the absolute 'truth'.

 

[Armoured]

Well, I never meant to say or suggest we're currently living in the end times. Only, when the end times approach, the theories will still be present and believed.

Um... ok. Not sure what your over all point is, then.

 

[durangodawood]

....Those who believe the lie...

God sends deceptions and lies to us?

 

[Vaccine]

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

A delusion that they should believe a lie. Believing we share common ancestry with chimps fits the bill.

 

[CodyFaith]

God sends deceptions and lies to us?

God doesn't deceive nor lie.

He gives man over to their lusts and desires. A strong delusion was created, most likely by Satan if I'm a guessing man, and God gives the unrighteous over to it.