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[Luke17:37]

For example if there was a Jew/ Muslim/ Shinto/ Atheist who devoted their lives to doing good works, charity, looking after people and never did a bad deed, would they be excluded from Heaven?

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Romans 3:9-20
9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
10 As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:21-25a
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith,

 

[Luke17:37]

Being hostile to God's Holy Spirit is the one and only unforgivable sin.
Even then there any many who speak out against the idea of Organised
Religion, but would welcome the Holy Spirit in their Soul. When that
did, could, or will happen is in God's hands.

Whoever doesn't repent and place his or her faith in Jesus alone remains condemned.

 

[SkyWriting]

Whoever doesn't repent and place his or her faith in Jesus alone remains condemned.

So Adam is left out? And all his off-spring?
I was thinking God was more inclusive.

 

[Luke17:37]

So Adam is left out? And all his off-spring?
I was thinking God was more inclusive.

Salvation has always been by faith. And Abraham believed God, and God credited it to him as righteousness. God knows if Adam repented and trusted in God alone for his salvation. God provided the first blood sacrifice (Genesis 3:21 - when God killed at least one animal to make them clothes of skin) and gave them a promise of the Savior (Genesis 3:15). Abel offered a blood sacrifice to God, and so did Job, and Abraham, etc. These and the requirement for Israel to have blood sacrifices for sins all point to Jesus, the sinless Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29). It also demonstrates the principle that bloodshed is necessary to cover sin (Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22).

Let God concern Himself with the people who lived and died before Christ died on the cross. But we are talking about the present reality. God provided Jesus, and anyone who doesn't come in by way of Him remains condemned (John 3:16-18).

 

[JackRT]

It is indeed disappointing that so many Christians are so exclusive while Jesus himself was so inclusive that he offended the cultural and religious sensibilities of his time. To the woman who was taken in adultery he simply said "Go and sin no more". He made no effort to convert her or to insist on believing certain doctrines. He treated her with compassion in the face of hostile people who were behaving exclusively.

Billy Graham said --- "When names are called for crowns in heaven, they will be the nameless hidden saints among us. They may not be called Christians. They just love God."

 

[bhsmte]

For example if there was a Jew/ Muslim/ Shinto/ Atheist who devoted their lives to doing good works, charity, looking after people and never did a bad deed, would they be excluded from Heaven?

It depends on the specific Christian. Many do likely believe not believing as they do, will doom a person and they have reconciled this with a God that loves all his creation somehow.

Billy Graham ticked off a lot of conservative Christians towards the end of his life, when he stated; one does not have to know Jesus to make it to heaven. Maybe he got to a point, where he couldn't reconcile this loving God (and 2/3 of the world's population) being doomed, simply because they were born to the wrong religion and or they lived a good life and were going to be punished.

 

[Radrook]

You seem confused - I'm discussing concepts of the Christian mythology, not the real world. And who said anything about Satan or demons inflicting agony?

I guess I am confused. my apologies.
In my misperception of where you are coming from I assumed you were talking of the popular notion where the Devil and his attending fallen angel imps enjoy themselves in that way. In fact, a recent horror film had them saying that they also serve God via torturing humans as God had ordered them to.

 

[Radrook]

God's condemning whole populations to eternal death based on their ignorance is an anti-Christian teaching. JWs tend to do that. I could never fully abide by that concept. Jesus clearly said that the ignorant should be forgiven. But that objection was countered with the scripture that said that they had a zeal for God but not according to accurate knowledge and so their sincerity didn't matter. YIKES!

 

[bhsmte]

Condemning whole populations to eternal death based on their ignorance is an ant-Christian teaching. JWs tend to do that. I could never fully abide by that concept.

A very small part of the population today, are ignorant of Christian teachings and or about Jesus. Just as, very few Christians are completely ignorant about the basic teachings of other religions, yet they remain Christians.

So, if someone has knowledge of Jesus and Christianity, yet remains a person who either does not believe in a God and or believes in another religion, are they automatically doomed?

 

[SkyWriting]

Salvation has always been by faith. And Abraham believed God, and God credited it to him as righteousness. God knows if Adam repented and trusted in God alone for his salvation. God provided the first blood sacrifice (Genesis 3:21 - when God killed at least one animal to make them clothes of skin) and gave them a promise of the Savior (Genesis 3:15). Abel offered a blood sacrifice to God, and so did Job, and Abraham, etc. These and the requirement for Israel to have blood sacrifices for sins all point to Jesus, the sinless Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29). It also demonstrates the principle that bloodshed is necessary to cover sin (Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22).

Let God concern Himself with the people who lived and died before Christ died on the cross. But we are talking about the present reality. God provided Jesus, and anyone who doesn't come in by way of Him remains condemned (John 3:16-18).

By having Trust and Faith in God's Holy Spirit.
I covered that. Rejecting the Holy Spirit is the
only sin that cannot be forgiven.

19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

 

[Radrook]

A very small part of the population today, are ignorant of Christian teachings and or about Jesus. Just as, very few Christians are completely ignorant about the basic teachings of other religions, yet they remain Christians.

So, if someone has knowledge of Jesus and Christianity, yet remains a person who either does not believe in a God and or believes in another religion, are they automatically doomed?

One should assume that a just and loving and wise God would judge people on an individual basis and not on superficial matters such as an infraction of some biblical principle. This is especially true now that Jesus died for mankind's sins and a basis for forgiveness has been provided for involuntary sins or sins due to total or even partial ignorance. Please also note that the vast majority of mankind was never under Mosaic Law.

 

[SkyWriting]

God's condemning whole populations to eternal death based on their ignorance is an anti-Christian teaching. JWs tend to do that. I could never fully abide by that concept. Jesus clearly said that the ignorant should be forgiven. But that objection was countered with the scripture that said that they had a zeal for God but not according to accurate knowledge and so their sincerity didn't matter. YIKES!

The "Zeal" was not for God's Holy Spirit, but the joy of
using laws to control other men.
Both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of creating
too much government.

 

[Cearbhall]

For example if there was a Jew/ Muslim/ Shinto/ Atheist who devoted their lives to doing good works, charity, looking after people and never did a bad deed, would they be excluded from Heaven?

Some Christians believe this and some don't. In my experience, Christians make up their own mind about this. I haven't noticed a strict denominational divide. For example, the Roman Catholic Church used to teach that because they're the one true original Church, Protestants cannot go to heaven. However, in my relatively liberal Catholic high school, there were Muslim students, and we definitely were not taught that they were going to Hell.

 

[Radrook]

The "Zeal" was not for God's Holy Spirit, but the joy of
using laws to control other men.
Both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of creating
too much government.

The context in which that scripture was always quoted was one concerning God destroying the ignorant.

 

[bhsmte]

Some Christians believe this and some don't. In my experience, Christians make up their own mind about this. I haven't noticed a strict denominational divide.

IMO, it typically comes down to the amount of empathy the Christian has for other people, who may disagree with their specific belief. Those who lack empathy, will more than likely cling to; I have the right belief and anyone who disagrees with me deserves to be doomed. Others with more empathy towards others, can't reconcile the God they believe in treating others in this way.

 

[Radrook]

Some Christians believe this and some don't. In my experience, Christians make up their own mind about this. I haven't noticed a strict denominational divide. For example, the Roman Catholic Church used to teach that because they're the one true original Church, Protestants cannot go to heaven. However, in my relatively liberal Catholic high school, there were Muslim students, and we definitely were not taught that they were going to Hell.

The Catholic Church no longer teaches a literal fire-and brimstone hell.
That teaching was discarded as an official Catholic doctrine decades ago.

 

[Cearbhall]

IMO, it typically comes down to the amount of empathy the Christian has for other people, who may disagree with their specific belief. Those who lack empathy, will more than likely cling to; I have the right belief and anyone who disagrees with me deserves to be doomed.

Eh, I would say that it has more to do with how they define the value of their relationship with Jesus. If they view it as a key to Heaven, then they logically deduce that those who don't have it won't get in. There's not necessarily any smugness or ill will there. When I stopped being Christian, my mother was terrified for my soul. It's not that she wanted non-Christians to go to Hell, but that's what she believed.

Others with more empathy towards others, can't reconcile the God they believe in treating others in this way.

You have to remember, though, that not everyone believes in an inferno, or in people being "sentenced" to Hell. When I was Christian, I had The Great Divorce view that it was where a person would be most content if they did not want to do good and be close to God. They wouldn't even realize they were in Hell, because it was how they wanted to live.

 

[SkyWriting]

The context in which that scripture was always quoted was one concerning God destroying the ignorant.

Is Jesus is known to have supported
such a poor understanding of events?

 

[bhsmte]

Eh, I would say that it has more to do with how they define the value of their relationship with Jesus. If they view it as a key to Heaven, then they logically deduce that those who don't have it won't get in. There's not necessarily any smugness or ill will there. When I stopped being Christian, my mother was terrified for my soul. It's not that she wanted non-Christians to go to Hell, but that's what she believed.

Ok. I still think much of it is dependent on the amount of empathy towards others they have and what they can reconcile in their own minds, as being a loving God they believe in.

 

[Radrook]

IMO, it typically comes down to the amount of empathy the Christian has for other people, who may disagree with their specific belief. Those who lack empathy, will more than likely cling to; I have the right belief and anyone who disagrees with me deserves to be doomed. Others with more empathy towards others, can't reconcile the God they believe in treating others in this way.

That can prove to be a very serious problem since it creates a holy spirit stifling, strict judgmental atmosphere. On an individual-choice basis it might not
have such a drastic spiritual effect since it is confined to individual preference.

However, the problem of a resultant callousness towards others is severely exacerbated when a religious denomination adopts that inflexible, rule-based view as its official policy and declares it a Christian requirement from its members.

Then the attitude becomes a cancer which spreads and malignantly permeates all human interactions in both subtle and not-so-subtle Unchristian ways. In short, it creates a serious obstacle to putting on the Lord Jesus's Christ who told us that ignorance does count when forgiveness is an issue.