How do Seventh Day Adventists feel about the Statue of Liberty?

[Constantine the Sinner]

Consider it's pagan goddess with the Sol Invictus (which is the Sun as God) halo. Do you object to honoring this statue?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Consider it's pagan goddess with the Sol Invictus (which is the Sun as God) halo. Do you object to honoring this statue?

Honouring it? Not on my life... it was a gift from atheistic France during the French Revolution that represented the goddess of Reason. Fits right in with the rest of the occultic statues and symbols found throughout the US especially in DC, the very name being a representative of the goddess of Columbia, another iteration of the sun goddess in her many forms.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Honouring it? Not on my life... it was a gift from atheistic France during the French Revolution that represented the goddess of Reason. Fits right in with the rest of the occultic statues and symbols found throughout the US especially in DC, the very name being a representative of the goddess of Columbia, another iteration of the sun goddess in her many forms.

How do you feel about the Founding Fathers?

 

[tatteredsoul]

Honouring it? Not on my life... it was a gift from atheistic France during the French Revolution that represented the goddess of Reason. Fits right in with the rest of the occultic statues and symbols found throughout the US especially in DC, the very name being a representative of the goddess of Columbia, another iteration of the sun goddess in her many forms.

This.

I don't care for Diana/Isis/Semiramis.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

How do you feel about the Founding Fathers?

Deists and agnostics for the most part that God was able to use to create a nation founded upon Christian values and principles... the lamb like beast.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Deists and agnostics for the most part that God was able to use to create a nation founded upon Christian values and principles... the lamb like beast.

How was the nation founded upon Christian values or principles, exactly?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

How was the nation founded upon Christian values or principles, exactly?

Religious liberty and freedom of conscience... a direct rebuke to the oppressive form of religion being used in Europe at the time. It allowed the woman to flee into the wilderness to escape the flood of persecution of the dragon.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Religious liberty and freedom of conscience... a direct rebuke to the oppressive form of religion being used in Europe at the time. It allowed the woman to flee into the wilderness to escape the flood of persecution of the dragon.

The Christians (such as witch-burning Puritans) who fled to America did so long before the Founding Fathers were around. And when the sort of Christians who were fleeing actually gained power in Europe (such as after the English Civil War), they were actually as bad as the Spanish Inquisition.

What you're talking about is the principle that the Founding Fathers rejected the idea that Christianity is true, and so said the government cannot recognize it as true either.

 

[BobRyan]

Consider it's pagan goddess with the Sol Invictus (which is the Sun as God) halo. Do you object to honoring this statue?

Honoring how??

Bowing down before it?

Lighting candles to it - before it ??--

Praying to the deity/being that it may represent?

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We don't do any of that.

 

[BobRyan]

And when the sort of Christians who were fleeing actually gained power in Europe (such as after the English Civil War), they were actually as bad as the Spanish Inquisition.

There were a number of different Catholic inquisitions - the Spanish one - was just one of them.

Their own Pope Benedict admits that they killed about 25 million and that more than half the records are "lost" -- so then 50 million.

if your claim is that 50 million people were killed in England during the few decades when this group had influence -- you will need something like historic confirmation of such a wide sweeping claim.

 

[Dave-W]

There were a number of different Catholic inquisitions - the Spanish one - was just one of them.

My son in law (married to my youngest daughter) is of Crypto Jewish stock - those who hid themselves from the Spanish Inquisition in the New World.

That inquisition followed them to Latin America and did not stop until the early years of the 20th century.

 

[BobRyan]

My son in law (married to my youngest daughter) is of Crypto Jewish stock - those who hid themselves from the Spanish Inquisition in the New World.

That inquisition followed them to Latin America and did not stop until the early years of the 20th century.

Latin America of course would have been intensely Catholic at the time - and pretty hard for anyone trying to avoid the inquisition to get a fair hearing at that time.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

There were a number of different Catholic inquisitions - the Spanish one - was just one of them.

Their own Pope Benedict admits that they killed about 25 million and that more than half the records are "lost" -- so then 50 million.

if your claim is that 50 million people were killed in England during the few decades when this group had influence -- you will need something like historic confirmation of such a wide sweeping claim.

The Spanish Inquisition killed Twenty-Five Thousand, it was much more lethal than all the rest combined (it was also not under the Pope's authority, similar to the Trial of Joan of Arc).

 

[Dave-W]

(it was also not under the Pope's authority, similar to the Trial of Joan of Arc).

Indeed. It was put on each country to direct their own Inquisitions.
But they all were done at Rome's behest. The buck stops at the Vatican.

There can be no true unity in the body until that great sin is repented of, by the Pope himself.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Indeed. It was put on each country to direct their own Inquisitions.
But they all were done at Rome's behest. The buck stops at the Vatican.

There can be no true unity in the body until that great sin is repented of, by the Pope himself.

The Orthodox Church, of course, was better than either the Puritans or the Pope, because our Church didn't kill people.

 

[Dave-W]

The Orthodox Church, of course, was better than either the Puritans or the Pope, because our Church didn't kill people.

Well - you do not get a pass either. I know the Toward Jerusalem 2 Council has had much more contact with Rome than Istanbul, but there are many things including the exclusion of the Believing Jews in the 4th and 5 centuries that need to be repented of as well. And that falls squarely in the lap of the Orthodox.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Well - you do not get a pass either. I know the Toward Jerusalem 2 Council has had much more contact with Rome than Istanbul, but there are many things including the exclusion of the Believing Jews in the 4th and 5 centuries that need to be repented of as well. And that falls squarely in the lap of the Orthodox.

We never expelled anyone for being of Jewish blood, merely for being a Judaizer. Significant difference.

 

[Dave-W]

We never expelled anyone for being of Jewish blood, merely for being a Judaizer. Significant difference.

Not so. Read Eusubius' description of the Nazarenes. While agreeing that their doctrines were entirely orthodox, he lumps them in with the Ebionites (who were heretical) and dismisses them for still being looking like Jews and not obviously gentile christian.

As a result my people got excluded from the first Nicene conference.

They were cut off from the Church. By faith in Messiah, they were cut of from the rest of Judaism. So they died out a century or 2 later.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Not so. Read Eusubius' description of the Nazarenes. While agreeing that their doctrines were entirely orthodox, he lumps them in with the Ebionites (who were heretical) and dismisses them for still being looking like Jews and not obviously gentile christian.

As a result my people got excluded from the first Nicene conference.

They were cut off from the Church. By faith in Messiah, they were cut of from the rest of Judaism. So they died out a century or 2 later.

Eusebius never describes the Nazarenes, except one whom he mentions as adhering to the Gospel of the Hebrews.

 

[Ubuntu]

About the founding fathers... You guys might like the following book written by the adventist scholar Nicholas P. Miller...
"The Religious Roots of the First Amendment: Dissenting Protestants and the Separation of Church and State"

This book is a very good investment for those who are interested in this subject, and it has been well-received in the historic community. The last chapter where he talks about the founding father James Madison, is quite interesting and something you should check it out if you have the opportunity.

When it comes to the Statue of Liberty... Well, it's a cultural icon and a part of the American heritage. As an European I really don't have any strong feelings about it. I doubt that Americans worship this statute, so this is totally uncontroversial in my eyes. It's just another historic monument, like the pyramids, the Stonehenge, or the Eiffel Tower...