Can Christians go to hell?

[ChristianSwede]

Is it possible for a believer to go to hell? What happens after death to those that did alot of sins but where believers?

 

[alexandriaisburning]

Is it possible for a believer to go to hell? What happens after death to those that did alot of sins but where believers?

I believe that Christians can and will go to hell. However, I also believe that hell is not a place of eternal, unending punishment, but rather a place of judgment and purgation that is ultimately a tool that God uses to bring about restoration and reconciliation. Not everyone agrees, of course, but that's my two cents.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Is it possible for a believer to go to hell?

Yes. (so to speak) i.e. "hell" = ? (not greek or babylon mythology)

What happens after death to those that did alot of sins but where believers?

They either get reprieved, or not.
Yhwh knows.

 

[OzSpen]

Is it possible for a believer to go to hell? What happens after death to those that did alot of sins but where believers?

ChristianSwede,

We don't have eternal life, based on our being 100% sinless at the point of death. We are born again, renewed, changed people because of our faith in Jesus alone for salvation. This is faith in Him that continues. There is no place in hell for Christians who have been born again at the point of death.

However, we also need to remember:

Rom 5:9 (ESV) states, 'Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God'. Therefore, Christians cannot experience God's wrath in damnation - hell.

This is confirmed by:

• 1 Thess 1:10 (NLT), 'He is the one who has rescued us from the terrors of the coming judgment'.

• 1 Thess 1:10 (ESV), 'Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come'.

Romans 5:1 (NLT) confirms what happens at salvation for every believer: 'Therefore, since we have been made right in God’s sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us'. This declaration of righteousness before God, because of our faith in him, is a forensic/legal act.

No Christian who continues to believe can ever experience Hades (Acts 2:27, 31 NIV), Gehenna (Matt 5:22, 29 NIV), or Tartarus (2 Pet 2:4 NIV).

It is not possible for genuine Christians to be in 'hell', i.e. Hades, Gehenna or Tartarus.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Yes. (so to speak) i.e. "hell" = ? (not greek or babylon mythology)


They either get reprieved, or not.
Yhwh knows.

Please provide biblical support for your statements.

 

[OzSpen]

I believe that Christians can and will go to hell. However, I also believe that hell is not a place of eternal, unending punishment, but rather a place of judgment and purgation that is ultimately a tool that God uses to bring about restoration and reconciliation. Not everyone agrees, of course, but that's my two cents.

'I believe' is not a biblical way to deal with the evidence. The issue being discussed is not the nature of 'hell' but whether Christians can go to 'hell'. On the basis of Romans 5:1 (ESV), no genuine Christian can go to 'hell'.

Oz

 

[Greg J.]

Is it possible for a believer to go to hell? What happens after death to those that did alot of sins but where believers?

Uh, a more mainstream answer to the OP is "no," but there are people who believe they are Christians that will (Matthew 7:21-23). However, what you mean by "believers" is critical.

No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. (1 John 3:6, 1984 NIV)

If you are saved, you no longer have sins on your account with God. Since you no longer live but are joined with Christ, and have the Holy Spirit in you, you definitely aren't going anyone that the Holy Spirit doesn't also deserve to go.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Is it possible for a believer to go to hell?

If you mean, the word "hell" as in reference to the Greek word "Gehennah" (i.e. the Lake of Fire):

Well, then... Yes, it says that right here.

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:41-42).


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[DeaconDean]

If you mean, the word "hell" as in reference to the Greek word "Gehennah" (i.e. the Lake of Fire):

Well, then... Yes, it says that right here.

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:41-42).


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If that is the case, then think back over the whole course of your life, and remember who or whom you have offended, even if it goes back to when you were young in Christ, and not asked them for forgiveness.

And James plainly tells us that:

"For in many things we offend all." -Jas. 3:2 (KJV)

And no matter what, we in this lifetime will never ever be able to:

"But the tongue can no man tame" -Jas. 3:8 (KJV)

If we take Mt. 13:41, at its face value, then we must, must conclude that every "Christian" that ever was, or is, or ever shall be, will be sent there.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

If we are speaking of

"Gehennah" (i.e. the Lake of Fire):

No. It is not a place that was designed for believers.

"prepared for the devil and his angels." -Mt. 25:41 (KJV)

Also remember, "All that glitters is not gold".

John Gill comments on Mt. 13:41:

"and they shall gather out of his kingdom:
the Gospel church, over which Christ is king, where he rules and governs in the hearts of his people; and who are cheerfully and willingly obedient to his laws, under the influence of his Spirit and grace: but all who are in the visible Gospel church state, are not such; some are wicked and rebellious, and though they are suffered to continue, yet not always; for if not removed by censures and excommunications, they will be at last by angels; who will separate them from the saints:

even all things that offend;
who are scandals to Christ, his church, and Gospel, by their wicked principles, or infamous practices; and who give offence, not only to God, and his righteous law, but lay stumbling blocks in the way of the children of God, and are the authors of divisions and offences among them:

and them that do iniquity;
that do nothing else but iniquity; and who, though they profess to be religious persons, are secretly, or openly, workers of iniquity; and are even doing iniquity, in and whilst they are professing religion."

Source

Not everybody who calls themselves "Christian" are.

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." -Mt. 7:22-23 (KJV)

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[steephenkarar]

Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
II Corinthians 13:5 NKJV


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[OzSpen]

Is it possible for a believer to go to hell? What happens after death to those that did alot of sins but where believers?

To my knowledge, all believers sin at some point after they become Christians. There are no perfect Christians.

Therefore, if your premise is correct, then all believers will go to hell. How many sins does one have to commit to make it 'a lot of sins'?

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

If you mean, the word "hell" as in reference to the Greek word "Gehennah" (i.e. the Lake of Fire):

Well, then... Yes, it says that right here.

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:41-42).
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Jason,

You need to include the context of the parable of the weeds to gain the meaning of 13:41-42. The whole parable reads:

he Parable of the Weeds Explained
36 Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37 He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt 13:36-42).

Verses 41 & 42 deal with the weeds, who are the sons of the evil one, who are causes of sin and law-breakers. It is not talking about Christian believers. It is critical to interpret in context.

Oz

 

[ChristianSwede]

To my knowledge, all believers sin at some point after they become Christians. There are no perfect Christians.

Therefore, if your premise is correct, then all believers will go to hell. How many sins does one have to commit to make it 'a lot of sins'?

Oz

Alot of sins I meant those that commit big sin like greed.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If that is the case, then think back over the whole course of your life, and remember who or whom you have offended, even if it goes back to when you were young in Christ, and not asked them for forgiveness.

First of all, the Bible never speaks as you do here (pushing the idea that believers are to be sinners in the present tense - with past sins unresolved. This leads me to the conclusion you believe in faith alone. If that is the case, then what does James say about faith alone (or faith only)? Well, in James 2:24, he says,

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" (James 2:24).​

In words, if you believe you are justified by "faith only" (which James says, "a man is justified ... not by faith only"), then you are believing something that is contrary to what the Bible teaches. For if this is indeed what you believe, then you would have to take select verses of the Bible and rip them out of context in order to make the Bible say that. Furthermore, if this is what you believe, then you would also have to ignore morality and the real world around you to make such a belief work, as well.

Second, when a person first accepts Jesus and they ask Him to be forgiven of their sins (which in many cases, is usually in the form of a general prayer), the Lord cleanses them of all past sins and He guides them into paths of righteousness (for His name sake) as they study His Word and as they are led by the Spirit. Believers are not alone! A believer has the LORD living within them and He will not leave them hanging in the wind when it comes to sin. The Lord will convict a believer of their sin so as to get them to repent of it (i.e. to confess and to forsake their sin). For it is God's will and desire that all should come to repentance.

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9).

In fact, we know "repentance" involves confessing and forsaking sin.

First, Peter tells Simon the Sorcer to repent of his wickedness by way of pray that God MIGHT forgive him for trying to pay for the receiving of the Holy Spirit.

"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts 8:22).​

In Matthew 12:41, Jesus says the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah 3:6-10, you would read that the King of the Ninevites had told the people to cry out to God and to turn from their wicked ways. God then had seen that they turned from their sin and the Lord then turned back on the wrath or judgment that He said He was going to originally bring upon them (i.e. the Ninevites). Please take note that God did not turn back from bringing His wrath upon the Ninevites the moment they believed. It was only when He seen them turn from their wicked ways that He then decided to not bring judgment upon them.

For...

"He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." (Proverbs 28:13).​

This is confirmed by 1 John 1. For 1 John 1:9 tells us to confess our sins so as to be forgiven of sin and 1 John 1:7 tells us to walk in the light as Christ is in the light (forsake sin by walking in the light) whereby the blood of Jesus Christ then cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:6-7 is a parallel of 1 John 2:3-6. Light is in reference to obeying God's commandments. Read and compare the verses for yourself.

And James plainly tells us that:
"For in many things we offend all." -Jas. 3:2 (KJV)

Yes, believers are offensive in many ways, not because of their sin, but it is because of the message that they bring. For Jesus said He came not to bring peace but a sword.

Listen to the words of Jesus,

34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
(Matthew 10:34-36).

Jesus also says,

"Doth this offend you?"
(John 6:61).

Was Jesus talking about sin? No.

So we realize that the word "offend" is a homonym in the Bible. Although it is a word that is spelled the same way, it can have two different meanings based on the context (i.e. the surrounding words).

For example: The bark of the dog echoed up the tree at the squirrel who was hanging on the bark of the tree at the top near the branches.

Same word in spelling, but they each have two different meanings.

And no matter what, we in this lifetime will never ever be able to:

"But the tongue can no man tame" -Jas. 3:8 (KJV)

Yes, this is true. No man on their own power can tame their own tongue. A person needs to be transformed spiritually by the Spirit and they need to rely upon the power of the Lord living within them to overcome such a thing.

24 "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
(Matthew 19:24-26).

Besides, if you were to keep reading in James 3, he says,

10 "Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh."
(James 3:10-12).

In fact, James says earlier,

"If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain." (James 1:26).​

If we take Mt. 13:41, at its face value, then we must, must conclude that every "Christian" that ever was, or is, or ever shall be, will be sent there.

First, you are not explaining to me what this passage means to you.

Second, let's take a look at the words of Jesus in Matthew 13:41-42.
Now, please take note that I will add my own brackets with words (sort of like a commentary) after certain words within the passage to help you to see what it is saying.

41 "The Son of man [Jesus] shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom [Anyone who professes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom] all things that offend [sin], and them which do iniquity [serious sin or repeated unrepentant sin];
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire [the Lake of Fire]: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
(Matthew 13:41-42).​

For the Bible says elsewhere,

"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30).​

Did you catch what it said? Same words are used in Matthew 13:42 as it is here in Matthew 25:30. Both the unprofitable SERVANT and those gathered out of His Kingdom who work iniquity (serious sin) shall be weeping and gnashing their teeth. Gnashing one's teeth is what a wolf does.

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For in Acts 7:54, those who stoned Stephen had gnashed their teeth at him. It is a thing that the wicked does. Yet, these were supposed to be believers in God.

As Solomon once said,

"...there is no new thing under the sun."
(Ecclesiastes 1:9).​

God Bless

Thank you.
And may God bless you, too.
And may His love and infinite understanding by His Spirit come upon you more and more each day.


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[sdowney717]

Alot of sins I meant those that commit big sin like greed.

There are many 'lords' of many various religions, but there is only one genuine gospel and only one genuine True Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1New King James Version (NKJV)
Greeting
1 Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead), 2 and all the brethren who are with me,

To the churches of Galatia:

3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.

Only One Gospel
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.


Do you think such an accursed person is a born of God saved person? And are they not also in the church among you as 2 Peter teaches?
Do they not also say they believe in Christ? But the warning Christ gives is this,
Matthew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you.5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

Are those that deceive even unwittingly, are they of those who as Apostle John says have an annointing from God to know the truth?
No they do not, infact they are antichrists who will ultimately deny the Father and the Son. that would be the true Father and True Son, not some fake christ of Satan. God may yet grant them to repent and come to the knowledge of the truth after being captured by Satan to do his bidding.
I john 2
Do Not Love the World
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

Deceptions of the Last Hour
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

The v20 promise is God grants you to know the truth by His anointing power into your life, which is a discerning of knowing truth from falsehood.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If we are speaking of

No. It is not a place that was designed for believers.

"prepared for the devil and his angels." -Mt. 25:41 (KJV)

Nowhere did I deny that the Lake of Fire was originally created for the devil and his angels.
However, the Bible does say this,

"He that committeth sin is of the devil" (1 John 3:8).
"he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." (1 John 3:7).
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (1 John 3:10).
"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).

Paul said to Elymas’s face,

"O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?" (Acts 13:10).

Okay, so if a sin and still be saved doctrine was what Paul taught, then why on Earth does Paul rebuke Elymas for being an enemy of righteousness and in perverting the right ways of the Lord?

Also remember, "All that glitters is not gold".

I agree. But yet you said before that a believer can have unresolved sin in their life. How does that work with the phrase, "all that glitters is not gold"?

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
(John 3:19-21).

John Gill comments on Mt. 13:41:

"and they shall gather out of his kingdom:
the Gospel church, over which Christ is king, where he rules and governs in the hearts of his people; and who are cheerfully and willingly obedient to his laws, under the influence of his Spirit and grace: but all who are in the visible Gospel church state, are not such; some are wicked and rebellious, and though they are suffered to continue, yet not always; for if not removed by censures and excommunications, they will be at last by angels; who will separate them from the saints:

Yes, this is what I said. All those who in the gospel church state who are wicked and rebellious will be removed and separated from the saints (i.e. the true saints).

even all things that offend;
who are scandals to Christ, his church, and Gospel, by their wicked principles, or infamous practices; and who give offence, not only to God, and his righteous law, but lay stumbling blocks in the way of the children of God, and are the authors of divisions and offences among them:

Yes, that is what I am saying, too. They are scandels to Christ because they break his righteous law and are even causing children to sin because they teach a doctrine of immorality.

and them that do iniquity;
that do nothing else but iniquity; and who, though they profess to be religious persons, are secretly, or openly, workers of iniquity; and are even doing iniquity, in and whilst they are professing religion."

Yes, this is true. They are professing to be religiious, but they openly promote that you can sin. Sort of like what you told me before. You were promoting the fact that I (or everyone) is a sinner in the fact that there is some kind of unresolved sin in my life (Suggesting that I am a worker of iniquity).

Not everybody who calls themselves "Christian" are.

Yes, I agree. Jesus says, by your fruit, you will know them. Fruits are deeds.

"But showed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the country of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works befitting repentance" (Acts 26:20).

"Bring forth therefore fruits befitting for repentance" (Matthew 3:8).

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." -Mt. 7:22-23 (KJV)

This is talking about Christians today who do miracles in Christ's name (i.e. many wonderful works), and yet Jesus says he does not know them because they work iniquity or serious sin (By either teaching a sin and saved doctrine or by being a hypocrite with the Word). 1 John 2:4 conveys this truth, as well.

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4).

In fact, Jesus says, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21).

What is the will of the Father or the will of God?

1 Thessalonians 4:3 says,

"For this is the will of God, even your sanctification"

The New Living Translation says,

"God's will is for you to be holy." (1 Thessalonians 4:3 NLT).

This is the will of the Father or the will of God.

In fact, Jesus says,

26 "And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."
(Matthew 7:26-27).

Did you catch that? Jesus says he that does not do what He says is like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house. The analogy here is that a person (the foolish man) is in the house when it comes crashing down upon him when the storm comes to take down that house.

For Jesus says, "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46).

Can one refuse to make Jesus their Lord and yet be saved? Surely not.
For Jesus says,

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other." (Matthew 6:24).

God Bless

May God bless you, too.
And may His love be upon you this fine day.


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[sdowney717]

So many people just do not seem to understand spiritual things. The understanding of spiritual things comes down from God above and does not originate with the mind of a man. No one can receive spiritual things unless it is given to him from heaven. Without this anointing of the Holy One in your life, you will either create your own false religion or be swayed to and fro by the doctrines of men who take the Word and twist it to their own liking.

John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
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John 3:13
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down fromheaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
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John 3:27
John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven.
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John 3:31
He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all.
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[DingDing]

Is it possible for a believer to go to hell? What happens after death to those that did alot of sins but where believers?

Believers don't go to hell, but a believer can cease from being a believer. This brings up the question of what being a "believer" means?

 

[EmSw]

There are many 'lords' of many various religions, but there is only one genuine gospel and only one genuine True Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1New King James Version (NKJV)
Greeting
1 Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead), 2 and all the brethren who are with me,

To the churches of Galatia:

3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.

Only One Gospel
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.


Do you think such an accursed person is a born of God saved person? And are they not also in the church among you as 2 Peter teaches?
Do they not also say they believe in Christ? But the warning Christ gives is this,
Matthew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you.5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

Are those that deceive even unwittingly, are they of those who as Apostle John says have an annointing from God to know the truth?
No they do not, infact they are antichrists who will ultimately deny the Father and the Son. that would be the true Father and True Son, not some fake christ of Satan. God may yet grant them to repent and come to the knowledge of the truth after being captured by Satan to do his bidding.
I john 2
Do Not Love the World
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

Deceptions of the Last Hour
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

The v20 promise is God grants you to know the truth by His anointing power into your life, which is a discerning of knowing truth from falsehood.

What I find ironic sdowney, is that God may have chosen you to be an antichrist and deceive us all. Since you have no say in God's choice, even you don't know if you are chosen to eternal life or to everlasting death. Everything you are telling us could have just as well been said by a false prophet. I am sure false prophets always tell others they are saved, know the way of life, and are in the light.

I am also sure false prophets give as many verses as you, and maybe more. In that light, I will have to reserve your words with a possibility of God choosing you to be a false teacher. No offense sdowney, one has to live as God chooses.

However, Peter does tell us about false prophets. We can tell where you stand by the Peter's words.

2 Peter 2
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

Here's the key to Peter's words. He is speaking of false prophets in these verses; we can read for ourselves what false prophets teach and promise.

They allure those who who were clean escaped from those who live in error. They PROMISE THEM LIBERTY. With these words, we can tell for sure who the false prophets are.

Let's look at the word 'liberty'. Here is what Strong's says about 'liberty' -

1. liberty to do or to omit things having no relationship to salvation
   
   
2. fancied liberty
   
   1. licence, the liberty to do as one pleases
      
3. true liberty is living as we should not as we please
   

It's very interesting what false prophets teach. They promise believers liberty, that is, believers can do or omit things having no relationship to salvation. In other words, you can do as you please, and it doesn't affect your salvation.

Unfortunately, we see this teaching rear its ugly head on this forum. Many on here are teaching things which false prophets teach.

So, to find out if this is what you are teaching sdowney, I will ask, do you believe and teach others, they can live as they please and it doesn't affect their salvation?