Do any catholics speak in tongues?

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Yes I know. But my only experience with the crazy is in the protestant branches.
She specifically mentioned both a Protestant congregation and a Roman Catholic parish where she saw the charismatic movement get out of hand.
 
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I don't think St Paul would have said , " I would like every one of you to speak in tongues......I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.......and do not forbid speaking in tongues." if such were the case .


Paul was talking about speaking in foreign languages not babbling.
 
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No I wasn't. :)


You weren't but please tell us what you think the other Paul was talking about when he spoke of unknown tongues and how that he spoke more tongues than the others.
 
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You weren't but please tell us what you think the other Paul was talking about when he spoke of unknown tongues and how that he spoke more tongues than the others.
I don't know. I'm not familiar enough with interpreting that part of scripture. And a lot of other parts of scripture too.
 
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I don't know. I'm not familiar enough with interpreting that part of scripture. And a lot of other parts of scripture too.


Ever hear this so called "speaking in tongues" before? What did you think of it?
 
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i have heard them spoken in the assembly by one person and have heard the message given and confirmed by a second person.
and while it's not a gift that i operate in on a regular basis, I have heard a message given and have been given the understanding of the translation. but the full translation was given to another person at the same time, and they were the ones who in turn spoke it to the assembly.
At that time i was given enough of the message to confirm the main points for my personal knowledge, but not so much that I was also tasked with the telling forth.
 
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I don't think St Paul would have said , " I would like every one of you to speak in tongues......I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.......and do not forbid speaking in tongues." if such were the case .

I've been meditating on this one all day and all I can say is wow.

My friend who speaks in tongues has a tendency to expand the scriptures in a way I hadn't seen before as well.
 
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i have heard them spoken in the assembly by one person and have heard the message given and confirmed by a second person.
and while it's not a gift that i operate in on a regular basis, I have heard a message given and have been given the understanding of the translation. but the full translation was given to another person at the same time, and they were the ones who in turn spoke it to the assembly.
At that time i was given enough of the message to confirm the main points for my personal knowledge, but not so much that I was also tasked with the telling forth.
That's how it was in the church I grew up in. Some people had the gift of interpretation and they would translate the tongues when it happened.
 
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One theological consideration is also whether or not the Church can be said to "lose" things for a couple thousand years that it originally had, and then artificially paste them back on later, and whether or not that fits the model of Church progression that we generally think of as Catholic. Generally we evolve and unpack, not lose and restore.

Also, that most of these practices disappeared after Apostolic times if they ever existed in these forms in the first place, and then were not mentioned by the early Christian Fathers is worth considering. What if there were reasons why these things were not part of the parsimony of Apostolic Tradition that our fore-bearers received? That it so completely disappears so quickly makes me wonder if these were things temporary granted only in the aftermath of Pentecost and the first era of the Church, or even things that in some cases the Church decided were exaggerated and started to discourage.

There is actually potentially more to this than the surface level issues. It says something about what the Church is in a fundamental way if we accept these things as anything more than a human-driven method of prayer or meditation.

you do make some interesting points about the infallible nature of the Church and the idea of a type of falling away

you question speaking in tongues, which has a questionable history
but you also question exorcism, that has a VERY strong history in the Catholic Church

we can go back to Tertullian and Origen to see references to exorcisms (even exorcisms done by members of the laity)
 
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Paul was talking about speaking in foreign languages not babbling.
Tongue speaking can also be a prayer of devotion: “A man who speaks in a tongue is talking not to men but to God. No one understands him because he utters mysteries in the Spirit” (1 Cor. 14:2). “Talking to God” defines prayer pretty accurately. Notice that in this case the language does not appear to be an intelligible one. St. Paul tells us some of the characteristics of this type of prayer. Even though the one praying does not understand the words he utters (1 Cor 14:2, 13), nevertheless this activity does him good (1 Cor. 14:4). It is a kind of prayer that leaves the intellect in neutral, so to speak (1 Cor 14:14), allowing for the deeper levels of the human spirit to express praise to God by the Holy Spirit and a yearning for His presence. Since it is true prayer that strengthens the individual, St. Paul is thankful that he speaks in tongues, and he wants everyone to have the gift (1 Cor. 14:5, 18, 39). He carefully warns, however, that it confers no badge of privilege. It has value only in relation to love, without which the tongues of men and angels are mere clanging cymbals (1 Cor 13:1).
 
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It is all very interesting. I believe that there is a lot of good in it but that it can so easily get out of control. This was my experience and also the experience of others in other towns. I think we and the Church needs to be aware of and alert to its dangers. The Catholic Church that I spoke of is the one where I have been going lately, and there are still many charismatics in it. Many fall down slain in the Spirit as they say, but not in Mass. It is under control now, but it did get horribly out of hand at one time. I don't like the emotionalism of it, but peoplempraying in tongues in their own private devotionsnis another matter entirely. I think that Paul says he would rather have love than the gift of to gues.
 
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Colin, you and I,posted at the same time, so I had not read what you said.

I too have had this experience, but it was many years ago, and yes, it is kind of like prayer when words fail you. Like in adoration of God or a kind of yearning for Him. He interprets us as we pray in this way and knows the depthsof our hearts. It says something like this in Romans 8 too. About not praying in words but even in groans. God knows what iur spirit is saying.

Because of my bad experience of the Zcharismatic Movement I would avoid it now. But yes, I too have spoken in tongues in the distant past.
 
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It is a kind of prayer that leaves the intellect in neutral, so to speak (1 Cor 14:14), allowing for the deeper levels of the human spirit to express praise to God by the Holy Spirit and a yearning for His presence. Since it is true prayer that strengthens the individual
You definitely make it sound more appealing now Colin. I see parallels to contemplative and meditative prayer.
 
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You definitely make it sound more appealing now Colin. I see parallels to contemplative and meditative prayer.

I can only speak for myself Paul , but I know millions of Catholics in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal who would agree when I say that it works for me .

Of course there are abuses .

There are abuses in the Liturgy .

There are abuses in how some pray the Rosary .

There are abuses in how some priests "run" their parishes .

No doubt there are abuses in every sphere of Catholic Tradition .

That's life , but we don't chuck the whole thing out because some abuse it .

We reform and renew it under the guidance of the Spirit .
 
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