How do you battle the "Christian" protestors?

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everything in the OP and every response is hearsay and unconfirmed.
... so far. (every response based on hearsay is hearsay, yes)
For all you know, the group may have been truly faithful and testifying the true Gospel of Jesus without compromise.

Remember Jesus and the prophets and the apostles and the disciples and many faithful have had much worse said about them
just because they stood for the Truth against wickedness and against evil in leaders and in society.
 
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... so far. (every response based on hearsay is hearsay, yes)
For all you know, the group may have been truly faithful and testifying the true Gospel of Jesus without compromise.

I know I'm stepping on delicate ground here, and I'm not trying to be critical though it may come across that way. I have noticed on other threads, and you did it again here, that you change the context of a post to allow you to make a point you have in mind. While your point may be and often is worthy of discussion in a general context, the point is often not pertinent to the particular discussion ongoing. That was, IMHO, the case here.
 
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I know I'm stepping on delicate ground here, and I'm not trying to be critical though it may come across that way. I have noticed on other threads, and you did it again here, that you change the context of a post to allow you to make a point you have in mind. While your point may be and often is worthy of discussion in a general context, the point is often not pertinent to the particular discussion ongoing. That was, IMHO, the case here.
GOOD!
If you read through the Gospels of Jesus - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John,
you
will find (God permitting)
that Jesus did the exact same thing !
And sometimes it made people very uncomfortable too ....
Go figure .....
 
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GOOD!
If you read through the Gospels of Jesus - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John,
you
will find (God permitting)
that Jesus did the exact same thing !
That was Jesus, who was God in the flesh. Not everything he did automatically becomes a 'permission slip' for us.

Even if it did, the particular demonstration described in this thread doesn't have any parallel to what Jesus did.
 
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When did Jesus ever tell His disciples to disobey ?
When did Jesus ever say to accept hearsay ,
or any accusation against anyone else based on hearsay ?

Notice hearsay led to more and worse hearsay and accusations based on nothing in the op ?
Did you read the thread even ?
 
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Here's what you do. You make a sign that's just the right size to fit in your briefcase. Write on it "On behalf of all sane Christians, I apologize for these jerks" Then just carry it around with you.

When one of these embarassing debacles pops up, you just whip out your sign, and stand silently in front of the jerks. Somebody will use their phone to take your picture and you will become internet-famous. :amen:

lol. I wish i did, but it took me by surprise. I guess i'm still very disturbed by it because as much as i'm talking about it here, it was really that bad.

I just wish someone (much more me) was able to out wit them to the point that they would take a brief pause because something was clicking.


It's really sad to know we have such people.. and while Albion is right that you should walk away, I guess a situation comes where it can't be helped because not only are they showing a bad image of Christ but you and your entire family, community who are christians.
 
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If they were saying racial things about black people, as the OP indicated, well I think that is a pretty good indicator they are being hateful and not representative of the teachings or example of Christ. Well past assumption if that is true.

One of the protestors (i don't know if that is the right word to describe them) pointing out most of the crimes or something about the "black lives matter" because ironically, there was also a bit of a Black lives matter protest going.

One of the protestors had a sign that contained a list of "sinners" that were going to hell, and one of the things was "feministic".. males having a bit of feminine side (regardless of being a hetero). When one guy was defending people with that, the protestor answered back "the bible is telling you to grow a pair".

The good I can say about this is that, there were Christiansthere who were referencing the scripture (the right way) in rebuking. Some where crying because of how sad it was to see the shame it was doing. There was even Muslims, Jews, and non-theists who were saying "Jesus wasn't like that".

Maybe it is a theory of mine, but maybe a hint of the goodness of God is planted inside of all of us, including those who don't believe or have walked away from it.. inside we know the good that Jesus is that it just comes out when we face these things in person. It is an assumption, but it was nice to see non-believers say that and also feel the offense of how he is being shamed.
 
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Normally it is best to just walk away, however an incident happened last night at Union Square in New York City, in where a "Christian" Church was causing a huge commotion. They wearing shirts and yelling on the top of their lungs on how homosexuals, Catholics, jews, and random sinners are in need of repentance or they are going to hell. The crowds in Union Square blew up and it became a huge debate between them and the crowds. They even had the audacity to be a bit racial by saying negative things about Black people (ironically, some of the protestors were black). It was a huge blow up, with cops around and it reached about 4+ hours.

As a Christian who is Catholic but is also very close to a Non-denominational-Protestant church, i found this very offensive because of the fact that it was destroying the true of Image that Christ wanted.. and there just comes a time where you can't just let that happen.

What kind of biblical verse can you give that rebukes this kind of acts? Do you and your church support this yourself - going into a public area with huge signs "Jesus is God", "Repent" and yell at the top of your lungs as to why they should repent?
There is nothing wrong with spreading the message that unrepentant sin leads to hell. That is what we are commanded to do. What were they saying that was racial? That is the only fault I can find from your post, maybe they were going about spreading the message of truth the wrong way but we can't water down or change the truth because the world does not like it. We are either of God or of the world. Not both, you can't be a friend to God and a friend to the world.
 
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One of the protestors (i don't know if that is the right word to describe them) pointing out most of the crimes or something about the "black lives matter" because ironically, there was also a bit of a Black lives matter protest going.

One of the protestors had a sign that contained a list of "sinners" that were going to hell, and one of the things was "feministic".. males having a bit of feminine side (regardless of being a hetero). When one guy was defending people with that, the protestor answered back "the bible is telling you to grow a pair".

The good I can say about this is that, there were Christians there who were referencing the scripture (the right way) in rebuking. Some where crying because of how sad it was to see the shame it was doing. There was even Muslims, Jews, and non-theists who were saying "Jesus wasn't like that".

Maybe it is a theory of mine, but maybe a hint of the goodness of God is planted inside of all of us, including those who don't believe or have walked away from it.. inside we know the good that Jesus is that it just comes out when we face these things in person. It is an assumption, but it was nice to see non-believers say that and also feel the offense of how he is being shamed.
BLM is almost a terrorist organization at this point. Its not racist to call out how they're dividing society when they should be calling for unity like MLK did. As for the list of sinners, only God judges ones salvation. If they are calling out judgements that is not right, God alone is judge. We are commanded to expose evil however. Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

What is defined as a feminine side? Remember Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
This is more than a part of the law, it is an abomination unto the Lord. Showing emotion is not considered feminine though, even though people might say "manly men don't cry" or something like that , remember John 11:35 Jesus wept.

Jesus preached openly in the streets, it is the natural state of man to reject God. Are those people false Christians, or are you lukewarm? I am not saying they're 100% correct, but maybe they are onto something. Everyone sins and falls short of the glory of God, we respond to brothers and sisters in error gently, out of love that they may be turned back to the truth. Maybe they practice truth, and you don't see it. Remember, don't judge.
Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
 
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That is true.. I agree that 9/10 times you shouldn't get involved but at the same time there is a rare event in where it is just felt in the inside that you should atleast show a good/true example of who Jesus is. That whole park attracted a huge gathering of the public and the bright side is that even the non-believers (Muslims, Jews, Atheists)were going "Jesus isn't like that".

But just out of curiosity, is there a verse or chapter in the Bible that rebukes this?

1 Corinthians 13:1
If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal...
The message at my church Sunday was "A life without love is just noise." Being "right" (self righteous) vs showing love and listening to hear others. When we become gongs or clanging cymbals, we drown out everything, including love. We get in the way of people knowing God's love.
 
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1 Corinthians 13:1
If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal...
The message at my church Sunday was "A life without love is just noise." Being "right" (self righteous) vs showing love and listening to hear others. When we become gongs or clanging cymbals, we drown out everything, including love. We get in the way of people knowing God's love.

After reading the OP i was agreeing that these protesters sounded too hateful, but then after reading brother eshuaslavejeff's comments, i was in agreement that its not wrong to speak the truth. After reading your post i am in agreement with you as well. That scripture has impacted my thinking a lot over the years.
 
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There is nothing wrong with spreading the message that unrepentant sin leads to hell. That is what we are commanded to do. What were they saying that was racial? That is the only fault I can find from your post, maybe they were going about spreading the message of truth the wrong way but we can't water down or change the truth because the world does not like it. We are either of God or of the world. Not both, you can't be a friend to God and a friend to the world.

I couldn't make out the racial stuff exactly because the crowds were very loud. One of the protestors was an asian girl and she said something about black people that got them yelling.


Anyone from NYC or knows somebody who was around Union Square at 9pm-12am last night, July 11? This was after the BLM protest. I would like to have to some back up reports or videos just for you guys to see what was going on.
 
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1 Corinthians 13:1
If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal...
The message at my church Sunday was "A life without love is just noise." Being "right" (self righteous) vs showing love and listening to hear others. When we become gongs or clanging cymbals, we drown out everything, including love. We get in the way of people knowing God's love.

I wish i said this. This verse is brilliant. They are were giving a Q and A and I wish I would of asked him to read this out loud.
 
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What is defined as a feminine side? Remember Deuteronomy 22:5.
I think men that have certain female like gestures or tones of voice. One of the list sinners in need of repentance was "cowards". They didn't define what their definition of that was clearly but it was brought up when the protestor was arguing with one of the people there on the topic feministic.

Jesus preached openly in the streets, it is the natural state of man to reject God. Are those people false Christians, or are you lukewarm? I am not saying they're 100% correct, but maybe they are onto something. snip
They weren't like the WBC that had the sign "god hates ...." they had huge signs saying "repent or hell", a bible verse that i can't remember, "Jesus is God", and they would each have a moment to speak -categorizing Homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, Catholics, etc as part of those sinners they are talking about. They gave Q and A's and were really prepared to answered.
 
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After reading the OP i was agreeing that these protesters sounded too hateful, but then after reading brother eshuaslavejeff's comments, i was in agreement that its not wrong to speak the truth. After reading your post i am in agreement with you as well. That scripture has impacted my thinking a lot over the years.
Jesus tells us to speak the truth in love - to boldly proclaim the truth of the Gospel with love and not judgment.
Ephesians 4:1-2 tells believers to "live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love." So, long before any talk of speaking the truth in love, we are called to humility and to put others first.
 
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Jesus tells us to speak the truth in love - to boldly proclaim the truth of the Gospel with love and not judgment.
Ephesians 4:1-2 tells believers to "live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love." So, long before any talk of speaking the truth in love, we are called to humility, which would require us to put others first.

Yes, its a fine line we should walk. We should be careful how we walk it. Humility is needed. That much im sure of.
 
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when a voice is raised in order to be heard, it is ok.
but when it is raised in anger or indignation
then it stops being heard, and is of no use.

it sounds like the protesters were defeating their own purpose.

essentially a sermon about sinners in the hands of an angry God should be preached with
accompanying tears and grief---not with satisfaction.
this (satisfaction) is why when asked, Jesus forbade His disciples from calling down fire and brimstone on a village that
did not receive him.

now is the time to call people gently back to God from whom they have wandered--not to rebuke them for doing so.
Call the earnestly, but call them tenderly as well.
 
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That is true.. I agree that 9/10 times you shouldn't get involved but at the same time there is a rare event in where it is just felt in the inside that you should atleast show a good/true example of who Jesus is. That whole park attracted a huge gathering of the public and the bright side is that even the non-believers (Muslims, Jews, Atheists)were going "Jesus isn't like that".

But just out of curiosity, is there a verse or chapter in the Bible that rebukes this?
Rom 12:18-> If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
 
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Normally it is best to just walk away, however an incident happened last night at Union Square in New York City, in where a "Christian" Church was causing a huge commotion. They wearing shirts and yelling on the top of their lungs on how homosexuals, Catholics, jews, and random sinners are in need of repentance or they are going to hell. The crowds in Union Square blew up and it became a huge debate between them and the crowds. They even had the audacity to be a bit racial by saying negative things about Black people (ironically, some of the protestors were black). It was a huge blow up, with cops around and it reached about 4+ hours.

As a Christian who is Catholic but is also very close to a Non-denominational-Protestant church, i found this very offensive because of the fact that it was destroying the true of Image that Christ wanted.. and there just comes a time where you can't just let that happen.

What kind of biblical verse can you give that rebukes this kind of acts? Do you and your church support this yourself - going into a public area with huge signs "Jesus is God", "Repent" and yell at the top of your lungs as to why they should repent?

Do not give these people biblical verses. An organized "protest group" like that are not really Christians. They are political agents disguising themselves as Christians in order to discredit Christianity. Arguing with them on the merits of religion is pointless. Arguing with them at all is pointless. Jesus might have. He could also raise the dead and walk on water. And he didn't convert any Pharisees. You're not Jesus, you're not going to persuade paid enemies.

If you want to influence anybody, as you walk away say to the people who are passing by wondering what is going on that there is some agitation group of false Christians acting like Muslims. You can give passersby the strength or the wisdom to take what they're going to see with a grain of salt (even if they're not Christians).

Shake the dust off your feet and walk away.
 
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