Can someone please Explain why this is not a breach of American Law?

[TLK Valentine]

LOL, no it wouldn't. That's not what they want. Adding transgender facilities has already been struck down in public schools ... because "they" want complete freedom of choice in regards to restroom facilities.

That's the truth. The question I'm left to wonder with is who exactly "they" are and just why this matter of free choice in restroom facilities is so important to "them".

Actually, getting spotted entering or leaving a Transgender bathroom would instantly mark "them" as a target for the likes of "you."

 

[Four Angels Standing]

Giving a heads up to someone that how they are speaking is insulting is insulting and threatening?

You know exactly what you're doing. And as an ambassador it isn't right.
You don't agree with someone's personal opinion about Transsexuals that's your right. Your right however does not extend to telling people they cannot speak in a manner you disapprove when they share about what they think of this issue under discussion.
Please be more tolerant of differing opinions.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

Actually, getting spotted entering or leaving a Transgender bathroom would instantly mark "them" as a target for the likes of "you."

What does that mean exactly?

 

[Cute Tink]

You know exactly what you're doing. And as an ambassador it isn't right.
You don't agree with someone's personal opinion about Transsexuals that's your right. Your right however does not extend to telling people they cannot speak in a manner you disapprove when they share about what they think of this issue under discussion.
Please be more tolerant of differing opinions.

This site has rules governing behavior, including posting things which can be considered goading or flaming. If I were to call you a "Christian imitator", do you think that would fall under "that's my opinion and you cannot tell me that I cannot say that"? No, that wouldn't fly either. I am well within my rights as a fellow poster to suggest that a person not say certain things because they are insulting or offensive. I am also well within my rights to simply report something as insulting. I chose, in this case, to make a suggestion rather than just reporting it.

Now, speaking of rules, this discussion is off topic. If you feel that my posts are inappropriate, feel free to report them. I'd be happy to be reported for suggesting someone not insult a group of people.

Have a nice day.

 

[Cute Tink]

What does that mean exactly?

It means that forcing people to be identified as trans people can be dangerous if certain people are made aware.

 

[TLK Valentine]

What does that mean exactly?

There are plenty of transgender people who would prefer not to make that fact public knowledge. given what NHE's comments reveal about what he thinks about "them," the reason should be self-evident.

 

[Arcangl86]

It means that forcing people to be identified as trans people can be dangerous if certain people are made aware.

And she means actually physically dangerous. People have been beaten to death for being trans.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

There are plenty of transgender people who would prefer not to make that fact public knowledge. given what NHE's comments reveal about what he thinks about "them," the reason should be self-evident.

And yet how many of those Transsexuals identify themselves as a Transsexual male or female when the subject arises? They don't identify as a man or a woman. They make it a public notice that they've transitioned to the gender they now claim for themselves.
Who's fault is it then that the listener take notice of what the speaker volunteers?

 

[Cute Tink]

And yet how many of those Transsexuals identify themselves as a Transsexual male or female when the subject arises? They don't identify as a man or a woman. They make it a public notice that they've transitioned to the gender they now claim for themselves.
Who's fault is it then that the listener take notice of what the speaker volunteers?

Context and trans people reveal their trans status when they feel it is both safe and appropriate.

Many also do it to create more visibility, so that they can dispel the idea that trans people are somehow threatening boogeymen.

That doesn't mean all do it. There are many stealth trans people. They would never tell you except in very specific circumstances.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

This site has rules governing behavior, including posting things which can be considered goading or flaming. If I were to call you a "Christian imitator", do you think that would fall under "that's my opinion and you cannot tell me that I cannot say that"? No, that wouldn't fly either. I am well within my rights as a fellow poster to suggest that a person not say certain things because they are insulting or offensive. I am also well within my rights to simply report something as insulting. I chose, in this case, to make a suggestion rather than just reporting it.

Now, speaking of rules, this discussion is off topic. If you feel that my posts are inappropriate, feel free to report them. I'd be happy to be reported for suggesting someone not insult a group of people.

Have a nice day.

Then you should refrain from attempting to insult a group of people who don't share your point of view about Transsexuals while threatening to report them.
A grown man with a nine inch penis beneath the hem of his dress is imitating a female when he dresses as a woman and still has male parts.

He hasn't transitioned until he's had his penis and scrotum surgically altered to that of a female's sexual anatomy. He hasn't transitioned until he has implants or wears what are called falsies in a bra.
He's a man dressing as a woman. If there was ever an example of that it is Bruce Jenner.

1.to follow or endeavor to follow as a model or example:
to imitate an author's style; to imitate an older brother.

2.to mimic; impersonate:
The students imitated the teacher behind her back.

3.to make a copy of; reproduce closely.

4.to have or assume the appearance of; simulate; resemble.


A man who claims he has a woman inside him and that is who he genuinely is is lying! When he still has male anatomy. Because women do not have a penis and scrotum. That is an absolute fact.
Have a better day.

 

[NightHawkeye]

There are plenty of transgender people who would prefer not to make that fact public knowledge. given what NHE's comments reveal about what he thinks about "them," the reason should be self-evident.

Hmm ...

You've made several posts about what "I" think regarding transgender. How would you know? Did you ask? What, pray tell, did I say regarding my feelings about transgender? I can only recall mentioning it once ... a year or more ago. You should look it up.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

And she means actually physically dangerous. People have been beaten to death for being trans.

And that is evil and wrong on every level. God have mercy on those poor souls.

 

[com7fy8]

Calling trans people "imitators" is just an insult. I'd suggest you refrain from it in the future if you don't want to be reported.

If you present yourself to be what you are not, you are imitating. Also, the Bible says,

"But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived." (2 Timothy 3:13)

So, the Bible word for someone who presents oneself to be what he or she isn't is not only "imitator", but "impostor", meaning one is putting oneself in a place where one has no right to be > including in the wrong bathroom.

So, we are in a Christian forum where we are expected to give what we find to be in the Bible. So, I do not mean an insult. But people who do not accept the gospel can find it insulting to be told they are wrong. This is how they take it, not how I mean it

 

[Cute Tink]

Trans people do not present themselves as they aren't, but as they are, therefore neither imitator or imposter applies. Thanks.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

If you present yourself to be what you are not, you are imitating. Also, the Bible says,

"But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived." (2 Timothy 3:13)

So, the Bible word for someone who presents oneself to be what he or she isn't is not only "imitator", but "impostor", meaning one is putting oneself in a place where one has no right to be > including in the wrong bathroom.

So, we are in a Christian forum where we are expected to give what we find to be in the Bible. So, I do not mean an insult. But people who do not accept the gospel can find it insulting to be told they are wrong. This is how they take it, not how I mean it

I highlighted the last of your wise observations for emphasis. I would hope no one takes anything said by a Christian here as insult. If my words have been received as such I ask forgiveness for it was not intended.
Rather, what is to be upheld is the word of God in a community dedicated to Christ. And common sense and truth in matters of reality.

The movement now afoot in America , of foremost concern because it is my homeland, is to harass, intimidate, and be intolerant of what is truth.
Males have a particular anatomy that makes them male. Females have a particular anatomy that makes them female.
A woman undergoing a sonogram does not look from the screen to the expectant mother and say, choose! Male or female ?
They see that the baby is a male or a female in that scan. And that male or female baby is identified as such by the anatomy that the sonogram reveals.
It is only later when that child matures to a point of self awareness that they may show signs of disassociation from that God given anatomy and say that they feel as if they're the opposite sex. And before the movement arose that intended to obfuscate the fact that that claim is a symptom and not a true state of physicality, they were then identified as sufferers of, not people entitled to exploit their symptoms as having a right to overcome common sense and anatomical reality observed by others.
The movement afoot now is intending to force compliance to the insistence that male is not male, female is not female. It is whatever someone says it is according to their personal preference. And rather than being treated, they're insisting they're entitled to be intolerant of opinions that do not agree that a male below the waist is entitled to be recognized by everyone as the female he says he is inside. And while that male demands tolerance, that movement he is member of shows none for those opposed. Because truth is not to be tolerated. Delusion is.

A female does not have a penis and scrotum. That's not an opinion requiring tolerance. That's a biological fact of nature.
A male does not have a uterus, ovaries and breasts. That is not an opinion requiring tolerance. That is a biological fact of nature.

This thread discussion is about a company that is intolerant of the truth, and unconcerned about bolstering the economy in North Carolina. Because as a company policy they support the obfuscation of reality and the promotion of falsehood.
They support the furtherance of a chronic mental and biological, a chemical, imbalance rather than in the recognition of the symptoms and the treatment of the condition.

I believe a movement should be initiated that protests PayPal on those grounds. After all, a company needs patrons more than patrons need that company. Especially when debit cards work far easier and at less expense than does the PayPal system of commerce.

There needs to be a tolerance for the truth. And a tolerance for Christians faith especially in a community dedicated to the teachings of Christ even in the name it boasts on its banner.
The Book of Genesis does not report , in the beginning God made them so that they may choose their gender as they feel like it in future. Why are Christians particularly in their own community here expected to concede those true scriptures in Genesis regarding male and female as well as marriage, because those opposed to God's word are not tolerant of reading them? Or reading people who uphold them in a Christian place?

 

[Four Angels Standing]

I would like to make the request that people be more tolerant of Christians who hold to their faith and the scriptures.

Trans people do not present themselves as they aren't, but as they are, therefore neither imitator or imposter applies. Thanks.

They do present themselves as they are. Sufferers of gender identity disorder. And when they are a woman who feels that she is a man, while she has a uterus, ovaries and may have allowed her breasts to remain in tact, and yet identifies as a man she is presenting herself as what she is not biologically. And what she claims to be due to the GID that she suffers.

The same is for that of a man who suffers GID. When he has a scrotum and penis he is male biologically. When he says he is female he is presenting himself as what he is not. Because he has left his male genitalia in tact while claiming that appearance is what constitutes in his mind female.
And that is not true. What he expects therefore is that people concede to his demands and accept that it is true. And while demanding to be tolerated as that self identified female with male genitalia , he is not tolerant of those who hold to what genitalia determines in the sex of the person bearing it.
Penis/scrotum = male
Uterus/ovaries/breasts=female

 

[Cute Tink]

They do present themselves as they are. Sufferers of gender identity disorder. And when they are a woman who feels that she is a man, while she has a uterus, ovaries and may have allowed her breasts to remain in tact, and yet identifies as a man she is presenting herself as what she is not biologically. And what she claims to be due to the GID that she suffers.

The same is for that of a man who suffers GID. When he has a scrotum and penis he is male biologically. When he says he is female he is presenting himself as what he is not. Because he has left his male genitalia in tact while claiming that appearance is what constitutes in his mind female.
And that is not true. What he expects therefore is that people concede to his demands and accept that it is true. And while demanding to be tolerated as that self identified female with male genitalia , he is not tolerant of those who hold to what genitalia determines in the sex of the person bearing it.
Penis/scrotum = male
Uterus/ovaries/breasts=female

You are oversimplifying. While that is true for the majority of the population, it is not 100% true. The medical community agrees with me. Biology is not black and white. Sex is not 100% male or female. That is a fact. That is reality.

And "gender identity disorder" is an outdated, inaccurate term.

You are free to tell a woman born without a uterus that she's not a woman, or a woman who lost her breasts to cancer that she's not either, or a man who suffered the loss of his testes to cancer is no longer a man, but I believe, and the medical community agrees, that there is more to a person than their genitalia.

 

[JustOneWay]

When that man still has his male anatomy, no he is not a woman.

Then you see how the law discriminates against those who have had surgery.

After all, the law requires people to use the bathroom designated for the gender on their birth certificate.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

You are oversimplifying. While that is true for the majority of the population, it is not 100% true. The medical community agrees with me. Biology is not black and white. Sex is not 100% male or female. That is a fact. That is reality.

And "gender identity disorder" is an outdated, inaccurate term.

No it's not. And gender biology is black and white. Male/Female.
You are overstating to imply the entire medical community concurs with your perspective. This is not true. Dr. Joseph Berger is one such person. There are others.

*The all capitals is the exact copy of the PDF article title as copied.

BODY DYSMORPHIC DISORDER: SOME KEY ISSUES
FOR DSM-V

 

[trunks2k]

No it's not. And gender biology is black and white. Male/Female.

But it's objectively not black and white. There are a variety of ways people don't fit the male/female binary view even if you completely ignore transgendered people. People born with both male and female genitalia for one, people born with female genitalia but a Y chromosome as another example. It's rare, but it does happen and demonstrates that sex & gender is not always a cut and dried issue.