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Good News Indeed, but then... WHAT IS IT!?

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Pilate answered, "I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests delivered You to me; what have You done?"36Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."37Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."…
 
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In another thread some discussion going on (trying to go on) about what the gospel IS
and isn't.
Please share your thoughts on what IS the Gospel.
It's the gospel of peace proclaiming who is Lord of all.

Acts 10:36
The word which He sent to the sons of Israel in announcing the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ (this One is Lord of all)
Ephesians 2:17
And coming, He announced peace as the gospel to you who were far off, and peace to those who were near,
Ephesians 6:15
having shod your feet with the firm foundation of the gospel of peace;​

Blessed are the feet of him who brings good news, beginning with John the Baptist; when law was terminated the gospel of peace began.
 
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My understanding, is that the "good news" deals with death and the consequences of death (which are broad in scope), and how to be saved from it, so that not only can a human being triumph over death once it occurs, they can live again and do so eternally, PLUS do so in a much better environment (the Kingdom of God, as opposed to the earth, Hades, Lake of Fire, the heavens in their present condition, etc and so forth). The manner in which this takes place, is that those who achieve eternal life, have become like Jesus in composition. They can begin experiencing this in part now, while still in their present condition ... but the fullness of it will not take place until the heavens and earth, etc, as we know it, have been done away with and made anew.
 
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Some characteristics of the gospel:

It's good news, not good advice.

"Advice is counsel about something that hasn't happened yet, but you can do something about it. News is a report about something that has happened which you can't do anything about because it has been done for you and all you can do is to respond to it." Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones.​

Proclamation is how the gospel is spread. It is proclaimed, not lived. News can't be lived out. News, by definition is regarding something that has already happened. The gospel is not good advice; it's good news. The gospel is not a command to be obeyed. It is news to be believed.

. . .if you believe the gospel is good news, declarative preaching (verbal proclaiming) will always be irreplaceably central to what we do. However, if you subscribe to the assertion that the gospel is simply good advice on how to live a life that changes people and connects to God . . . dialogue would be alright. Stories and modeling and reflection would be more important. In other words, you would believe what some people would quip: "proclaim the gospel, use words if necessary". You've probably heard that. That shows, I think, that they don't quite understand what the gospel is all about.

* Excerpt taken from Tim Keller's Gospel-Centered Ministry.​
 
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I consider the gospel to be the glory of God .
John Gill has a good way of explaining it.

1.] The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
[2] Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
[3] There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
[4] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
[5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
[6] His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
[7] The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
[8] The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
[9] The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
[10] More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
[11] Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
[12] Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
[13] Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
[14] Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

John Hill's comments:

http://www.christianity.com/bible/commentary.php?com=gill&b=19&c=19

To the chief Musician, a Psalm of David. This psalm was penned by David, and inscribed to the chief musician, as others, to be used in public service, and was designed for Gospel times, as the subject of it shows; which is first, not an account of the light of nature, and then of the law of Moses, but of the Gospel of Christ; and especially as ministered in the times of the apostles, as a citation out of it in Romans 10:18, makes clear.

Verse 1.The heavens declare the glory of God,.... By which we are to understand not the heavens literally taken, though these with the firmament are the handiworks of God, and do declare the glory of his perfections, especially his wisdom and power; these show that there is a God, and that he is a glorious one: but either Gospel churches, often signified by the kingdom of heaven, in the New Testament; the members of them being heaven-born souls, and the doctrines and ordinances ministered among them being from heaven; and there being a very great resemblance between them and heaven, in the company and communion enjoyed in them; and who declare the glory of the divine perfections, which is very great in the handiwork of their redemption; and who ascribe the glory of their whole salvation to God: or rather the apostles and first preachers of the word, as appears from Romans 10:18; who were set in the highest place in the church; had their commission, doctrine, and success from heaven; and who may be called by this name, because of the purity and solidity of their ministry, and their constancy and steadfastness in it, and because of their heavenly lives and conversations: these declared the glory of the divine perfections; such as those particularly of grace, goodness, and mercy, which are not discoverable by the light of nature or law of Moses, as, they are displayed in the salvation of men by Christ, in the forgiveness of their sins, the justification of their persons, and the gift of eternal life unto them: they taught men to ascribe the glory of salvation to God alone, Father, Son, and Spirit; they set forth in their ministry the glory of Christ, of his person, and of his offices and grace; and they showed that redemption was his handiwork, as follows:

and the firmament showeth his handiwork; for the same persons may be called the firmament, since they that are wise are said to shine as the brightness of it, Daniel 12:3. These were like to stars in it, and were the light of the world, and declared that redemption is the work which Christ undertook, and came into this world to perform, and which he has finished; his hands have wrought it, and his own arm has brought salvation to him. The Targum interprets the heavens and the firmament, of such persons as contemplate the heavens, and look upon the firmament or air; and so do some other Jewish writers {w}.

{w} Jarchi & Kimchi in loc.

Verse 2.Day untoday uttereth speech,.... This, with the following clause,

and night untonight showeth knowledge, some understand of the constant and continued succession of day and night; which declares the glory of God, and shows him to be possessed of infinite knowledge and wisdom; and which brings a new accession of knowledge to men; others, of the continual declaration of the glory of God, and of the knowledge of him made by the heavens and the firmament, the ordinances of which always continue; the sun for a light by day, and the moon and stars for a light by night; and so night and day constantly and successively proclaim the glory and wisdom of God: but rather this is to be understood of the constancy of the Gospel ministry, and the continuance of the evangelic revelation. The apostles of Christ persevered in their work, and laboured in the word and doctrine night and day: they were in it at all seasons; yea, were instant in season and out of season; and though they are dead, the Gospel continues, and will do as long as day and night remain: and these, like overflowing fountains, sent forth in great abundance, as the word {x} rendered "uttereth" signifies, the streams of divine light and knowledge; they were full of matter, and their tongues were as the pen of a ready writer; they diffused the savour of the knowledge of Christ, in great plenty, in every place where they came. These words express the continuance of the Gospel revelation, as the next do the extent of it.
 
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In another thread some discussion going on (trying to go on) about what the gospel IS
and isn't.
Please share your thoughts on what IS the Gospel.

"God so loved the WORLD that HE GAVE His only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believes on Him might not perish but have ever lasting life" John 3:16

"Christ is the atoning sacrifice for OUR sins and not for OUR sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE World" 1 John 2:2

"God made Him who knew no sin to become sin in our behalf that we might be the righteousness of God in him" 2 Cor 5

"I will DRAW ALL mankind unto Me" John 12:32.

"Whosoever WILL may come" Rev 22:17

"Saved by grace through faith" Eph 2:8-10

"Born again -- new Creation old things passed away all things become new" 2 Cor 5, John 3.

"No longer I who live but Christ that lives in me - and the life I live I live by faith in the Son of God" Gal 2:20

"“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also." John 14:1-3

Rev 14:6-7
6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal Gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 7 and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.”

Romans 2
13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my Gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

Romans 6 - sin shall not be master over you.
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
 
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...having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming,
He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed;
21nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

Don't go saying that! It can't be only spiritual and in (our) midst at the same time. ;)
 
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Please share your thoughts on what IS the Gospel.

John the Forerunner first PROCLAIMED the Gospel of Christ...
Proclaiming as a voice of one crying out in the wilderness:
And saying,
"Repent ye: for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!"

Upon John's death at the evil hands of Herod,
Christ Himself began to proclaim:
"Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!"

And upon the death of Christ, His disciple Peter
Proclaimed to the Gentiles:
Repent, and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

And the Risen Christ speaking through John in Revelation
Continues this teaching for the Churches:
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard,
and hold fast, and be ye repenting.
If therefore thou shalt not be keeping vigil,
I will come on thee as a thief,
and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Vigilant repenting and remembrance is what is needed
to hold fast the Kingdom of Heaven
which has been gained through the Faith of Christ...

Just as the host proclaims: "Come to the table now set!"
When the Thanksgiving meal ready to be eaten:
"For the Table is Prepared for You!"

So also John in the wilderness proclaims the Good News
Be ye repenting, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!"

Good news indeed!

The Gospel of Jesus Christ!

 
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In another thread some discussion going on (trying to go on) about what the gospel IS
and isn't.
Please share your thoughts on what IS the Gospel.
I know this is not what most evangelicals believe but while it is indeed "good news" that Christ died to save sinners, this is not what Paul means when he uses the word "gospel". For Paul, the gospel is the news that the resurrection of Jesus constitutes Him as rightful lord over all the universe.
 
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Christ himself spoke these words: “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.” (John 18:36)
But this is certainly not a denial that Jesus is a king over this present world. It is instead an affirmation of such a role accompanied by a declaration that the principles that govern the very much "this-worldly" kingship of Jesus do not line up with the principles that govern other earthly kingdoms.

This verse has been deeply misunderstood, largely due to a translation problem related to the phrase "not of this world". This problem has caused many to conclude - mistakenly I believe - that Jesus is denying kingship over this present world.
 
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If this is the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, I want to talk to the manager cuz I got complaints......
Well, what are your complaints? That the world is not perfect? Paul clearly tells us in 1 Corinthians 15 that the reign of Jesus is an ongoing process in which problems get solved over time.

The fact that the world is still troubled by sin and death certainly does not mean that Jesus is not a presently-seated king over this world.
 
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The gospel is that God saves sinners. He saves them from his wrath. He saves them by Jesus Christ crucified. He saves them for his eternal kingdom. There are many ways of formulating the gospel. But every formulation should be recognizing Jesus Christ crucified as the means of salvation, the kingdom of God as the end of salvation, and the wrath of God (plus our sin) as the occasion for salvation.
 
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Well, what are your complaints? That the world is not perfect? Paul clearly tells us in 1 Corinthians 15 that the reign of Jesus is an ongoing process in which problems get solved over time.
The fact that the world is still troubled by sin and death certainly does not mean that Jesus is not a presently-seated king over this world.

You are forgetting about the prince of the air. The Kingdom of Heaven on Earth is not here yet....leastways not physically.
 
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You are forgetting about the prince of the air. The Kingdom of Heaven on Earth is not here yet....leastways not physically.
The "prince" is not a king.

And I am confident the Biblical case for the present reign of Jesus over this physical world is overwhelming. Do you dispute this? I am willing to make many Biblical arguments for this position.

Obviously, Jesus is not here. But that makes Him no less king than did the fact that Caesar did not visit Palestine make Caesar not king over Palestine. Jesus does not need to be here is person to be a ruling king.
 
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In another thread some discussion going on (trying to go on) about what the gospel IS
and isn't.
Please share your thoughts on what IS the Gospel.

I would say that it is that we are never alone ; neither now in this life, nor in the life to come. We do not live alone, nor can we die alone, however solitary we may appear to be at the time. Why we are never alone is because our loving Father, who happens to be the infinitely loving and infinitely powerful God, who made the universe, this world and the next.

Here, we have inherited a sinfulness and guilt that could only have been assuaged and its effects overcome by Jesus, through his acceptance of his death under torture and crucifixion on our behalf, by means of which we are made fit for eternal joy in heaven, as adopted children of the Holy Trinity, actually sharing in God's own life.

In this life on earth we have many crosses of varying severity, but they are mitigated in some measure by the Holy Spirit, who takes up residence in us in embryo via baptism. He is also the main source of our joy. This is a place of trial, whereby, like jaws closing, we finally choose the identity of our afterlife, whether in heaven or hell. Appearances may be deceptive ; only God knows how we respond to the graces He gives us, in relation to the amount we receive.

From start to finish, however, the one overriding Good News bulletin is that Love is the A to Z of it all, our all-loving God reigns supreme over all, in this life and the next. How we accept our sufferings in this life, whether not at all, or whether with a holy resignation to the dispensations of Divine Providence, depends on the way in which, with God's grace, we exercise our free will.
 
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And I am confident the Biblical case for the present reign of Jesus over this physical world is overwhelming. Do you dispute this? I am willing to make many Biblical arguments for this position.
Then why, in Revelation, does God pour out his wrath upon the earth? Certainly not because he is displeased with the rule of Jesus? The prince of the air rules the earth at this time and will until Jesus comes again.....
 
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Then why, in Revelation, does God pour out his wrath upon the earth? Certainly not because he is displeased with the rule of Jesus? The prince of the air rules the earth at this time and will until Jesus comes again.....
I am not sure why you a future outpouring of God's wrath on earth as indicating that Jesus is not presently King over this world. Can you explain? Suppose riots break out in the USA. Does that mean Mr. Obama is not the President? The presence of strife and rebellion does not mean that there is no king (or President).

I think we need to clarify some things. When I assert that the Bible says that Jesus is a presently-seated king, I am not saying that everyone accepts or believes this. But, again, I suggest the Biblical case is overwhelming - the writers of the New Testament believe Jesus is a presently reigning king. Jesus claimed He was a king and it is only through mis-readings of texts like John 18:36 do people believe that this is a "non-this-worldly" kingdom.
 
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I am not sure why you a future outpouring of God's wrath on earth as indicating that Jesus is not presently King over this world. Can you explain? Suppose riots break out in the USA. Does that mean Mr. Obama is not the President? The presence of strife and rebellion does not mean that there is no king (or President).

I think we need to clarify some things. When I assert that the Bible says that Jesus is a presently-seated king, I am not saying that everyone accepts or believes this. But, again, I suggest the Biblical case is overwhelming - the writers of the New Testament believe Jesus is a presently reigning king. Jesus claimed He was a king and it is only through mis-readings of texts like John 18:36 do people believe that this is a "non-this-worldly" kingdom.


You did not answer the question. Why does God pour out his wrath on earth if the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth is present and it is ruled by Jesus? That makes no sense at all....please give you position on that.
BTW, Obama is not Jesus, so really bad analogy.....
 
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You did not answer the question. Why does God pour out his wrath on earth if the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth is present and it is ruled by Jesus? That makes no sense at all....please give you position on that.
It is you who really need to explain things: you appear to think that if God is going to pour wrath on the earth in the future, Jesus cannot be king now. Why do you believe that?

For my part, I will state what I think is obvious: Jesus can be king over an imperfect world that, yes, will be judged in the future. This is spelled out clearly in 1 Corinthians 15 where Paul writes that Jesus will rule until all enemies are defeated. This says that during parts of Jesus' reign not all enemies will be defeated. And so these enemies will indeed be dealt with during Jesus reign.

BTW, Obama is not Jesus, so really bad analogy.....
Of course he is not Jesus - that is why it is an analogy. The point is this: just as strife in the USA does not means Mr. Obama cannot really be the president, so it is that strife in the broader world does not mean Jesus is not King.
 
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