Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[Armoured]

Extinction.

So, what, we're just posting random words now?

Minestrone.

 

[Extraneous]

More handwaving and goal post shifting.

You missed the part about Sickle Cell being a recessive that is purely beneficial to carriers of a single copy. But Whatever. Believe what you like. Just make sure to ask your doctor for pre-MRSA penicillin next time you get an infection.

Viruses mutate, that's not anything new. Its how God made it to be. Human mutations however are only bad, not good. Our cells mutate as we grow older and thats why we slowly change in appearance. Scientists have no understanding of Human DNA, or of many things in creation. In all their attempts to fix the world, they also add more problems to it as well. Its like trying to wash your car in rain, you can keep washing the dirt away, but dirt in the rain water will just make it dirty again. Its like trying to take a bath in a mud pit. If those scientists were followers of Christ, they might actually do more good. Instead however, they invent this ToE monstrosity. Do you honestly think people who deny Christ and God are not going to be lead away into error by false doctrines?

 

[BobRyan]

As we saw on this same thread --
Tuesday at 10:58 PM #439

There are poor T.E. souls pleading for help --

here is the cry for help --

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Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT... were the OT writers simply writing what they "thought" and the way they "felt" about God, and not in an actual words God actually said..

Well, my problem is I believe the scientific evidence which casts doubt on some of the Bible writers, BUT, I have too much personal experiencial evidence of a God and other spirits existing on another side beside this one...

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...periencing-part-of-a-pm-conversation.7843548/

My personal experiencial evidence stands on it's very own as enough proof for me, but have I encountered the same God (YHWH) spoke about in the OT, some OT acts and verses by God cast a shadow of a doubt on him being a or the God of Love...

Anyone help?

God Bless!
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And of course that thread started by our pleading T.E. friend - is ultimately swamped by atheist and agnostic posts of the form "all-praise-evolution".

But what is more surprising is that some of the same T.E. posters here also contribute to that thread once the atheists take over - and they too merely have the same "all-praise-evolution" focus.

Darwin, Dawkins, Provine, P.Z. Meyers et al. -- freely confess that they too were driven from Christianity by their belief in evolutionism.

Is this something to be "swept under a rug"? Of no consequence ? Let the cries for help fall on more deaf T.E. ears?

 

[BobRyan]

Viruses mutate, that's not anything new.

But they do not "mutate into bacteria" they do not "mutate into prokaryotes".

And bacteria do not "mutate into eukaryote amoeba" - meanwhile the horses and rabbits on earth are made up of zillions of eukaryote cells - and are also filled with bacteria that STILL do not mutate into eukaryotes.

 

[Armoured]

But they do not "mutate into bacteria" they do not "mutate into prokaryotes".

And bacteria do not "mutate into eukaryote amoeba" - meanwhile the horses and rabbits on earth are made up of zillions of eukaryote cells - and are also filled with bacteria that STILL do not mutate into eukaryotes.

Kingdom level mutations are rare. As we'd expect. Why is this a problem?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Let me ask the anti-evolution posters a question.

What if....you were proven without a doubt that evolution is true....and this earth is really really......old. How would that affect your christian faith? Would you retain it? Or would evolution being true destroy the belief in the Christian God in your mind?

That's the point... there is no evidence that stands up to even the most basic objection of rational thought... forget what the Bible says... on it's own evolution is a theory of maybe's and suggestions.

Why don't we play this game a different way.. what if there was evidence that the Mormons idea of God and eternity were true? What if the Buddism was proven true? But , that's the point, isn't it? We know Christianity is correct because we can see and experience God for ourselves and those that believe His Word, do so 100%. Faith is not as blind as some suppose...

 

[Hieronymus]

Well, the universe certainly seems to be old, because of the speed of light and the humongous distances.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Kingdom level mutations are rare. As we'd expect. Why is this a problem?

Name us one

NO, Extraneous, this transitional fossils are not nonsense. What ever gave you that idea? Are you reading solid scientific literature, or going on creation-science publications. If the latter, you are reading totally bogus arguments.

What about these "transitional" fossils gives any evidence of what they supposedly were or what they supposedly became... it is all conjecture. Highly educated conjecture mind you but that makes it all the more sad.

 

[Extraneous]

Well, the universe certainly seems to be old, because of the speed of light and the humongous distances.

Seems to be, but that doesn't mean it is necessarily. I think that God created things in a way that will keep man chasing one rabbit trail after another. Things appear one way, when in truth they are not that way necessarily. It would take a complete understanding of the universe, i think, in order to truly understand how old things are.

 

[Hieronymus]

I agree with you.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Kind of like how doctors have no way to know how human physiology works. Bad humors I say!

-CryptoLutheran

Yeah, examination of living beings as well as recently deceased specimens is the same as finding a pile of bones and making up stories about them...

I think there's a few straws left if you want to make another grab...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

What is wrong with you people?

Calling evolutionary creationists false Christians by implying you and people who are anti-evolution creationists are "real Christians" is not allowed on this forum. It also shows an immaturity. When one wants to have an argument that deals with differences between Christians, one does not call the other side "false Christians". It is against this forum and unchrist like.

Treat others as how you want to be treated. Please show some respect. Realize the people you are insulting are brothers of the faith.

By their fruits ye shall know them.... is there such a thing as a pro abortion Christian, except in name? When you cast doubt on God and His Word you are not in league with Him but with the enemy...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The only reason I reject universal common descent hypothesis is all of the scientific objections TO it (nucleotide replacements to thymine, intergenic regulatory sequences and gene regulation hierarchies determining complexity, the deleterious nature of mutations and the mechanics of mutation, the inability for synergistic epistasis or soft selection to account for the contamination in the genome, the number of mutations needed to evolve from land animals to whales and the time frame allowed, the misalignment of nucleotide sequences for telomeric fusion in human chromosome 2, the class of sequences first expressed from the zygote to the 2 celled embryo being endogenous retroviruses and if you block their expression you stop embryogenesis at the 4 cell stage (functional "junk" DNA), retroviral like sequences 181,000 gene switches/promoters and expressions taking place in "non-coding" DNA, etc. etc.)

Christians, if they are able, really should learn the specific scientific controversies.

But it is unfortunate that scientific infrastructures censor the controversy from you

and wrongfully tell you that "there IS NO controversy."

Peer review can bury its head in the sand... but they can not hide from God on judgment day for their CENSORSHIP!

In my experience, TO proponents may hide behind some fancy nomenclature but the theories can be easily debunked through common sense.

 

[Hieronymus]

By their fruits ye shall know them.... is there such a thing as a pro abortion Christian, except in name?

That's not a good comparison because that's a moral question (i.m.o.)

 

[Armoured]

That's the point... there is no evidence that stands up to even the most basic objection of rational thought...

So the millions of people around the world who accept it are irrational, you're the only one who sees the evil science conspiracy for what it is?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

It's all there at the website I linked you to earlier. Thank you for confirming you didn't read it, as I was sure you wouldn't.

I did go and read it.... where's the evidence? There is lot's and lots of conjecture and hypothesise given but not one shred of evidence. Show me a horse with winglets, a frog with fur, a dog that can breath underwater.... anything.

If I hadn't wasted my time and read the article you posted, how was I able to quote from it? Your mud ain't sticking well lately...

 

[Armoured]

In my experience, TO proponents may hide behind some fancy nomenclature but the theories can be easily debunked through common sense.

"Common sense" huh? The sort of claim people who don't understand how science works fall back on.

 

[Armoured]

I did go and read it.... where's the evidence? There is lot's and lots of conjecture and hypothesise given but not one shred of evidence. Show me a horse with winglets, a frog with fur, a dog that can breath underwater.... anything.

Such things would DISprove evolution. The fact you are asking for such examples proves you either; didn't read it, or didn't understand it. Evolution is about tiny, incremental, iterative change. Not horses that turn into birds. If you understood what the TOE actually says, rather than some bizarre strawman someone's spoon fed you, you might have an easier time of this.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

As we saw on this same thread --
Tuesday at 10:58 PM #439

There are poor T.E. souls pleading for help --

here is the cry for help --

===========================

Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT... were the OT writers simply writing what they "thought" and the way they "felt" about God, and not in an actual words God actually said..

Well, my problem is I believe the scientific evidence which casts doubt on some of the Bible writers, BUT, I have too much personal experiencial evidence of a God and other spirits existing on another side beside this one...

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...periencing-part-of-a-pm-conversation.7843548/

My personal experiencial evidence stands on it's very own as enough proof for me, but have I encountered the same God (YHWH) spoke about in the OT, some OT acts and verses by God cast a shadow of a doubt on him being a or the God of Love...

Anyone help?

God Bless!
===================================================

And of course that thread started by our pleading T.E. friend - is ultimately swamped by atheist and agnostic posts of the form "all-praise-evolution".

But what is more surprising is that some of the same T.E. posters here also contribute to that thread once the atheists take over - and they too merely have the same "all-praise-evolution" focus.

Darwin, Dawkins, Provine, P.Z. Meyers et al. -- freely confess that they too were driven from Christianity by their belief in evolutionism.

Is this something to be "swept under a rug"? Of no consequence ? Let the cries for help fall on more deaf T.E. ears?

Satan knows he has but a very short time left... expect this and much worse in the days ahead.

 

[Armoured]

Satan knows he has but a very short time left...

Oh, right, as evidenced by that mandatory Sunday church law Obama and the Pope just passed?