Mid-Trib Only scoffers(anyone can type in)

[Paul K]

Just wondering. Lately, I've been reading different topics on this forums, had watched some vlogs on end times including preterism, read up on the bible. had some discussion with some people who also read the bible. I am starting to realize that we are coming into the time of scoffers. There are increasing numbers of people who scoffs at the idea of the truth in the bible. There are an increasing number of falling away, more people starting to say that the bible isn't what it means. So my question for you. The bible survived 2 thousand years of destruction, contrary theology, different religions, wars, etc. When are we in this timeline according to the bible?

I would like a sincere "looking at life with a rose coloured glasses" look at life biblically, no insults, arguing, belittling etc from folks.

thanks.
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[LastSeven]

I believe we may already be living in the time that Satan is released for a short time at the end of Christ's reign, just before the last resurrection.

 

[iamlamad]

Just wondering. Lately, I've been reading different topics on this forums, had watched some vlogs on end times including preterism, read up on the bible. had some discussion with some people who also read the bible. I am starting to realize that we are coming into the time of scoffers. There are increasing numbers of people who scoffs at the idea of the truth in the bible. There are an increasing number of falling away, more people starting to say that the bible isn't what it means. So my question for you. The bible survived 2 thousand years of destruction, contrary theology, different religions, wars, etc. When are we in this timeline according to the bible?

I would like a sincere "looking at life with a rose coloured glasses" look at life biblically, no insults, arguing, belittling etc from folks.

thanks.
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I know exactly where we are in the Book of Revelation.

We are now, and have been for a long time, between the 5th and 6th seal, waiting for first the rapture and then the Day of the Lord.

 

[Paul K]

Last seven,

If we were living in that period of time before Satan is to be released, then why are there wars and murder and hatred? When did the 2 witnesses in jerusalem show up? Where is the peace? We've never had peace since Jesus rose into Heaven.

 

[Douggg]

I am starting to realize that we are coming into the time of scoffers. There are increasing numbers of people who scoffs at the idea of the truth in the bible. There are an increasing number of falling away, more people starting to say that the bible isn't what it means. So my question for you. The bible survived 2 thousand years of destruction, contrary theology, different religions, wars, etc. When are we in this timeline according to the bible?

I think you are right, Paul, as far as coming into the time of scoffers.

Separately, I don't know that we have reached the time of the great falling away in Christianity yet as far as what is in 2thessalonians 2, which will follow Gog/Magog.

Only the other hand, if we are talking about a general time of falling away like in the days of Noah, and Lot..... yes, a couple of major signs are homosexuality is becoming more acceptable in society, and there is widespread violence in the world.

There won't be the great falling away in Christianity as far as people leaving Jesus, until the person who becomes the Antichrist is anointed the King of Israel, Judaism messiah.

On the timeline, where we are right now is closing in on Gog/Magog, Russia involved directly in the middle east. But before that great move against Israel, we have to see some changes in the EU form of government to a ten leader form, with the little horn over them. Which, following Gog/Magog, that little horn person will eventually become the Antichrist, the King of Israel, instead of Jesus the rightful King.

So watch what is going on with Russia in the middle east, and watch the EU and that ten leader federalized form of government to materialize which that is going to be like watch yeast work in dough - not much to see until something acts as a catalyst for the change. I think it is going to be financial crisis of some sort.

 

[keras]

The scoffers Peter refers to are mainly those Christians whose end times beliefs are challenged. The secular peoples are in ignorance and mostly think things will just go on as they are forever.
But we have God's prophetic Word to guide us, guesswork and what we think may happen isn't an option for us. Sadly, though, many have been deceived by false teaching and have construed a wrong scenario of what will happen.

Connecting the end times dots – the first step is to have all the events yet to happen listed. Then, line them up correctly and logically:

1/ Lets work back from the main event, the one that we all agree on – the Return of Jesus in His glory to reign for 1000 years. At that time, Jesus destroys the armies of the Anti Christ, imprisons Satan and then gathers His elect to Him. Matt. 24:31

2/ Before the Return, the AC [Satan] is allowed power over ‘the Holy ones of the Most High’ Daniel 7:25 for 3½ years. This is also the period of the Great Tribulation. Matthew 24:21, Revelation 13:5

3/ The AC comes to Jerusalem and takes control of Israel. Daniel 11:31-34. The Holy people are tested by this difficult time. Daniel 11:32, Revelation 13:10, Matthew 24:22.

4/ Zechariah 14:1-2 also describes this time and says that half of the population will be taken to a place of safety. Revelation 3:10. Who are the ‘Holy ones’ and who is ‘taken to a place of safety’? Rev 12:6 & 14. The ‘Woman’, who gave birth to the Ruler [Jesus] is looked after in safety for 1260 days. She is righteous Israel. The Holy ones, are those Israelites who must face further testing and refinement. Revelation 13:9-10 Therefore, those in Israel at the time of the AC, are all the Israelites.[not just the Jews who are 48% atheists and 20% Muslim, etc, as at present.]

5/ Just before Zechariah 14, is Zechariah 13:7-9...throughout the Land 2/3 will die, the remaining 1/3 will be refined by fire and the remnant will acknowledge God and Jesus. This is the judgement by fire of the Middle East, as prophesied. Ezekiel 5:1-3, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Amos 1, Isaiah 33:14, Deuteronomy 32:41-43.

But, there are some dots missing between 4 & 5, because there is only a remnant left in the Land after the fulfilment of Psalm 83, Ezekiel 20:45-48, Isaiah 33:14, etc. The Land of Greater Israel must be repopulated, for there to be Israelites [that is ALL 12 tribes] living there before the Return. So, the line of dots as I see it is;

A/ This next Mid east event, which clears the entire region, excepting for a small number of Jews in Jerusalem. Jeremiah 12:14, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Ezekiel 14:21-23, Zechariah 12:11-14, Revelation 6:12-17
B/ The Land is regenerated. Isaiah 32:15-20, Isaiah 43:19-21, Ezekiel 36:8-12.
C/ The descendants of Jacob [ the 12 tribes of Israel] gathered- Isaiah 11:11-12, Jeremiah 16:14-16, Micah 2:12, judged- Ezekiel 34:20, Ezekiel 20:34-36, and settled in Israel. Deuteronomy 15:18-21, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Micah 7:11-12. And many other prophecies.
D/They select leaders. Jeremiah 3:15, Jeremiah 30:21.
E/ They live in peace and prosperity for several years. Isaiah 51:3, Psalm 107:35-38.
F/ They rebuild the Temple. Zechariah 8:9-15, Zechariah 6:15, Ezekiel 43:12.
G/ A huge army from the North advances to attack. Ezekiel 38:8-12
H/ That army [Gog from Magog] is totally destroyed. Ezekiel 38:21-23, Joel 2:20.
I/ Jesus reveals His glory and Israelites acknowledge their redeemer. Ezekiel 39:21-24.
J/ ‘Many‘ of the Israelites agree to a peace treaty with the Leader of the One world government. Daniel 9:27a. Daniel 11:32 By plausible promises, he will win over those who are ready to violate their Covenant [with God]....some will remain faithful.......
K/ This 7 year treaty is broken at the mid point, commencing the Tribulation. Dan 9:27b
L/ Exactly 1260 days later, Jesus Returns and commences His reign. Daniel 12:7.

There are more details and the timing is not clear, but this seems to be the basic end times prophetic sequence.

 

[Another Lazarus]

antichrist has been revealed and now working out the destruction of our world from behind his back,
terrorism, false flag attacks, wars, economic crisis will destroy the present world order and NWO will
be established where devil rule via antichrist.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

 

[Douggg]

Connecting the end times dots – the first step is to have all the events yet to happen listed. Then, line them up correctly and logically:

That's part of it. A couple of other things is to list all of the villians of the end times. Then list at of the time frames given for the end times.

 

[BABerean2]

When did the 2 witnesses in jerusalem show up?

About 2,000 years ago, based on the text.

If we use scripture to interpret scripture, you are one of the witnesses...


Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Rev 1:20The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;


The Olive Tree is a symbol of the New Blood Covenant Church made up of Jews and Gentiles grafted together.

These are the two witnesses.
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[John S]

I know exactly where we are in the Book of Revelation.

We are now, and have been for a long time, between the 5th and 6th seal, waiting for first the rapture and then the Day of the Lord.

I know exactly where we are in the Book of Revelation.

We are now, and have been for a long time, between the 5th and 6th seal, waiting for first the rapture and then the Day of the Lord.

Complete and utter nonsense.
1. The seals have NOT begun yet.
2. The idea od a Pre-Trib Rapture is a Satanical deception.
3. The Day of the Lord won't happen until WWIII.

 

[John S]

antichrist has been revealed and now working out the destruction of our world from behind his back,
terrorism, false flag attacks, wars, economic crisis will destroy the present world order and NWO will
be established where devil rule via antichrist.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

If the antichrist has been revealed, who is he or she?

 

[keras]

The seals have NOT begun yet.

If you believe that, then you must explain what Zechariah 1:8-11 and Zechariah 6:1-8 are talking about.
How bad have been the wars, famines, plagues and economic disasters that we have experienced thru history and how much worse could it get. Also, the saints killed for their faith since Stephen are those whose souls are kept under the Altar. Their number will be completed during the G.T.
As for a pre trib rapture, Lamad has yet to show us where the Bible says such a thing is part of God's plan for His people.

 

[Douggg]

If you believe that, then you must explain what Zechariah 1:8-11 and Zechariah 6:1-8 are talking about.
How bad have been the wars, famines, plagues and economic disasters that we have experienced thru history and how much worse could it get. Also, the saints killed for their faith since Stephen are those whose souls are kept under the Altar. Their number will be completed during the G.T.
As for a pre trib rapture, Lamad has yet to show us where the Bible says such a thing is part of God's plan for His people.

Those are chariots drawn by horses. Not riders on horses. They are not the same.

None of the events of the seals have taken place yet. The first rider in the first seal is the person who become the Antichrist
has been anointed as the King of Israel. That's why he has a crown. And the time of the Apocalypse starts with him being enthroned..

 

[Douggg]

3. The Day of the Lord won't happen until WWIII.

2thessalonians2:3-4 give two requirements before the Day of the Lord takes place. What verse are you using to reason the Day of the Lord won't happen until WWIII ?

 

[keras]

Those are chariots drawn by horses. Not riders on horses. They are not the same.

This still doesn't explain what those horsemen did. I do see them as the same, described by different prophets, but the horse colors are the defining thing that ties these prophesies together.
They did 'range over the earth', we have had wars, famines, diseases and economic disasters aplenty. What other proof do you need?
Is it correct to think that Seal 5 is still closed?

 

[Paul K]

babereans,

2 thousand years ago? when? Jesus rose into heavens, after that, holy spirit descended on the followers, and ever since christians have been persecuted constantly yearly. Even now we still face persecution. The scriptures in Revelations states that two witnesses will be slain, and left in the streets for 3 days, then they will come back to life and go back to heaven. I haven't seen any historical evidence of that incident. Have you?

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[Paul K]

as for scoffers. It is difficult for me to understand how people can deny the supernatural power of God and say that its impossible for Him to do such and such as written in the bible, for example, laying of hands and suddenly healing illness, Noah's flood, and the events in Revelations (God's wrath on Earth). If God was able to breathe life into a pile of dirt and name it Adam, and create Eve from the rib bone of Adam, and Speak a planet into existence complete with animals and plant life. Perfectly place the planet in the goldilock zone that the scientists of modern age are yet unable to find an equally similar exo-planet out there.

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[Another Lazarus]

If the antichrist has been revealed, who is he or she?

Remember the Inquisition by RCC which killed millions of Christians, it was admitted by Pope John Paul II as the darkest history of RCC. it can happen again
https://www.worldslastchance.com/en...y-of-the-seven-kings-8th-king-identified.html

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

 

[Douggg]

This still doesn't explain what those horsemen did. I do see them as the same, described by different prophets, but the horse colors are the defining thing that ties these prophesies together.
They did 'range over the earth', we have had wars, famines, diseases and economic disasters aplenty. What other proof do you need?
Is it correct to think that Seal 5 is still closed?

And they had those things happening in the world before Zechariah. Zechariah imo is about the timeframe of the four historic empires - beginning with Babylon, it's downfall, and the rise of the medes/persians, then the greeks, then the romans.

Revelation is about the time of the end times version of the Roman Empire (the EU) - its leader, the little horn, who becomes anointed as the King of Israel, the rider on the white horse, and the 7 years of the Apocalypse begin. The other riders in Revelation depict the progressive onslaught of the Apocalypse... that begins when the person becomes the Antichrist King of Israel.

Technically speaking all of the seals have been opened by Jesus as far as letting us know what they concealed, or else we would not be reading about them in Revelation. Opened or closed of the seals is a misleading way of saying what we really mean in our posts.

What the other poster intended was that none of the events of the seals have begun yet. The events of the 5th seal have not begun yet. The martyers in the 5th seal are them in Revelation 7 coming out of the great tribulation.

That does not imply that there have not been countless Christians martyred down through history. And their testimony stands forever.

 

[keras]

That does not imply that there have not been countless Christians martyred down through history. And their testimony stands forever.

Yes, there have been millions of martyrs up till now and their number will be complete by the time of Jesus' Return. Their souls are kept under the Altar in heaven until the Day Jesus Returns and brings them with Him, to be resurrected then.
What Jesus said in Matthew 23:34-39 is a prophecy for all the time up to the last days. So the guilt of all those murders will fall upon all those who committed them, until the Day Jesus Returns.