Did the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday?

[tulipbee]

Actually, I think that mankind is always looking for answers, including spiritual answers. That's why we have so many religions.

Your charicature of Arminians is nothing but a flame. Flaming is not an argument. Nor is a non-sequitur.

Total depravity means they only look within thier own nature. Arminians flame themselves claiming they're not 100% spiritually dead and they have a little bit of life left to tell God if and when they are ready. You need to read the bible

 

[Meowzltov]

Total depravity means they only look within thier own nature. Arminians flame themselves claiming they're not 100% spiritually dead and they have a little bit of life left to tell God if and when they are ready. You need to read the bible

tulipbee: I could easily flame calvinists, but I choose not to do so. It is not Christian. And it also breaks CF rules. It's the same from the other direction.

 

[Cribstyl]

Amen!

Same day that Jesus kept.

If a priest is blameless and violates the Sabbath by working you have some explaining to do.

 

[tulipbee]

tulipbee: I could easily flame calvinists, but I choose not to do so. It is not Christian. And it also breaks CF rules. It's the same from the other direction.

Better not cause flaming calvinism is flaming the gospel

 

[Meowzltov]

If a priest is blameless and violates the Sabbath by working you have some explaining to do.

Say what? First, are you talking about a Jewish priest or a Christian presbyter? Second, can you give us more context to your comment?

 

[Cribstyl]

Say what? First, are you talking about a Jewish priest or a Christian presbyter? Second, can you give us more context to your comment?

Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Tell us what Jesus meant by saying that priests profane the Sabbath and are held blameless?
Also, the fact that Jesus was 'Lord of the Sabbath' meant that He was not subjected to keeping it, but rather the principle administrator of the Sabbath.

 

[Cribstyl]

BOTTOM LINE

There are 7days in a week. According to the scriptures in Gen 2:1-3 and Ex 20:8-11, God worked 6days and then He rested. With that being said, the 7th day will always be the day that God blessed and sanctified for the Children of Israel to rest. Changing day 1 to day 2 or day 7 to day1 is a false information.
The scriptures saying that God established Sabbath as a covenant and sign between Himself and the Children of Israel kills the myth about a creation Sabbath.

 

[Meowzltov]

Tell us what Jesus meant by saying that priests profane the Sabbath and are held blameless?
Also, the fact that Jesus was 'Lord of the Sabbath' meant that He was not subjected to keeping it, but rather the principle administrator of the Sabbath.

It means that the priests work on Sabbath, but do not sin, a concept which I've been trying to explain.

Lord of the Sabbath simply means that Jesus, being God, is the source of the Commandment.

 

[Cribstyl]

It means that the priests work on Sabbath, but do not sin, a concept which I've been trying to explain.

It makes it crystal clear that any work profanes the Sabbath. Priests are held blameless because God assigned them to do works and services on the Sabbath.

Lord of the Sabbath simply means that Jesus, being God, is the source of the Commandment.

Don't expect you to prove how being Lord of the Sabbath relates to the commandments. According to the context, it seems clear to me that Christ was defending accusation by citing the authority to do works on the Sabbath and to be held blameless for profaning it. These are His words not mines:
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

 

[BobRyan]

It makes it crystal clear that any work profanes the Sabbath. Priests are held blameless because God assigned them to do works and services on the Sabbath.

Christ defended works of charity on the Sabbath - turns out - He is right... He is God who according to Heb 8:6-10 GAVE us the Sabbath in stone.

Don't expect you to prove how being Lord of the Sabbath relates to the commandments.

Step one - context. The Matt 12 and Mark 2 statements were made in the context of one of the Ten Commandments.
Step two - we read the actual Commandment - in Ex 20:8-11.


Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8
8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” (NASB)

The LORD's Day of the Bible

 

[Meowzltov]

It makes it crystal clear that any work profanes the Sabbath. Priests are held blameless because God assigned them to do works and services on the Sabbath.

Temple work was necessary, just a childcare is necessary, just as caring for those in hospitals is necessary. You get it.

 

[Bob S]

It means that the priests work on Sabbath, but do not sin, a concept which I've been trying to explain.

And you did. An added truth is that because they could work (get dispensation) proves that the Sabbath was a ritual law given to the Israelites only. Is there any place where God has given dispensation for adultery of any other issue dealing with morality?

Lord of the Sabbath simply means that Jesus, being God, is the source of the Commandment.

Temporary as it was. The Torah containing ritual laws were for Israel. Israel broke Torah and rejected the covenant, so God has approached our deliverance from the penalty of sin in the new covenant, the one that is not like the old one.

 

[Meowzltov]

And you did. An added truth is that because they could work (get dispensation) proves that the Sabbath was a ritual law given to the Israelites only. Is there any place where God has given dispensation for adultery of any other issue dealing with morality?

Sure: Stealing is a sin, but if you are hungry, you may go into a man's orchard and it until you are satisfied.

 

[Meowzltov]

The Torah containing ritual laws were for Israel.

Ritual laws were laws regarding sacrifices for the Temple. The Sabbath was not a ritual law. Dietary laws were not ritual laws. Etc. However, I agree that these and other non-universal laws were given to Israel and not the nations.

 

[BobRyan]

And you did. An added truth is that because they could work (get dispensation) proves that the Sabbath was a ritual law given to the Israelites only. .

Ex 20:11 it is the Commandment of God - given to all mankind.
IS 66:23 "For MANKIND" as a day of worship.
IS 56 Sabbath blessing specifically for gentiles - in the OT
Mark 2:27 "MADE for MANKIND"

Heb 8 - New Covenant "for ISRAEL and Judah" which in Romans 2 -- is "Saved mankind"

 

[Meowzltov]

Ex 20:11 it is the Commandment of God - given to all mankind.
IS 66:23 "For MANKIND" as a day of worship.
IS 56 Sabbath blessing specifically for gentiles - in the OT
Mark 2:27 "MADE for MANKIND"

Exodus 20:11, given to Israel.
Isaiah 66:23, future prophecy, not for now. Also, applies to every day, read it again.
Isaiah 56 what verse?
Mark 2:27, Man, not mankind, context: colloquial (refers to Jews).

 

[BobRyan]

Exodus 20:11, given to Israel.
Isaiah 66:23, future prophecy, not for now. Also, applies to every day, read it again.
Isaiah 56 what verse?
Mark 2:27, Man, not mankind, context: colloquial (refers to Jews).

What verse?? over half the chapter.

Is 56
2“How blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will surely separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”

4 For thus says the Lord,

“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial,
And a name better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.

6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the Sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

 

[Meowzltov]

How blessed is the man who does this

He is writing to Jews.

 

[Meowzltov]

Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord

IOW converts.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
Ex 20:11 it is the Commandment of God - given to all mankind.
IS 66:23 "For MANKIND" as a day of worship.
IS 56 Sabbath blessing specifically for gentiles - in the OT
Mark 2:27 "MADE for MANKIND"

Exodus 20:11, given to Israel.
Isaiah 66:23, future prophecy, not for now. Also, applies to every day, read it again.
Isaiah 56 what verse?
Mark 2:27, Man, not mankind, context: colloquial (refers to Jews).

In Mark 2 - "MANKIND" - no such thing as "just Jews" getting married "it is not good for man to be alone".
no such things as "ALL MANKIND" means - "Just Jews" not even in Is 66:23.
No such thing as "MAN shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God" Matt 4 -- meaning "JUST JEWS"

27 Jesus said to them, "" The Sabbath was made for mankind, and not mankind MADE for the Sabbath. (G444 Anthropos)

Jews were not MADE at Sinai. Mankind was MADE in Eden on day 6, and the Sabbath MADE on day 7.

Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man (any one of mankind) sows, this he will also reap.


1 Timothy 6:16
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man (no member of mankind) has seen or can see To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.


“ For it is appointed unto MAN once to die and then comes the judgment” Heb 9:27


“Man shall not live by bread alone” Matt 4:4


Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Genesis 6:6 The LORD was sorry that He had made man (Mankind) on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.


1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man (to mankind); and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.



Rev 3
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man (anyone of mankind) hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

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I am sticking with the Bible on this one.