Did the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday?

[Meowzltov]

Here ya go

The modern Jewish calendar is based upon the "mean motions of the sun and moon, the true [calendar] having been set aside." (Maimonides, Kiddusch Ha-hodesch)

Well, of course the Calendar is: when the months begin depends on the new moon. But the Shabbats are not. They are independent of the moons and suns; they falls on different days of the month all the time, since they are always seven days apart.

 

[HebrewVaquero]

I've noticed that generally speaking we women don't get a break. 2/3 of women's work is still permissable on Shabbat, food preparation, child care, etc. It's simply necessary for daily life. We do get a break from cleaning, but the cleaning simply gets postponed.

You should read some Jewish historical sources on this, it is rather humorous if you get a kick how human nature hasn't changed in thousands of years.

 

[Meowzltov]

You should read some Jewish historical sources on this, it is rather humorous if you get a kick how human nature hasn't changed in thousands of years.

It's true. Even though women now have jobs in the work force, we still have the bulk of the work in the home.

 

[HebrewVaquero]

Well, of course the Calendar is: when the months begin depends on the new moon. But the Shabbats are not. They are independent of the moons and suns; they falls on different days of the month all the time, since they are always seven days apart.

Well, of course the Calendar is: when the months begin depends on the new moon. But the Shabbats are not. They are independent of the moons and suns; they falls on different days of the month all the time, since they are always seven days apart.

If two ancient Jews leave Israel on Wedensday, Jew 'A' travels east and Jew 'B' travels west. Both travel for 7 days ending up in America.

What day is it for them?

Jew 'A' = Tuesday
Jew 'B' = Thursday

Oooops!
This type of calendar is defective unless you create a artificial international date line.

Where is that in Scripture?

 

[tulipbee]

Sunrise and Sunset determine days therefore you don't have to observe the "exact peak" of the moon therefore eyeballing works.
Or you can load a app on your phone, lol

Jesus requires sabbath app for all worshippers

 

[tulipbee]

Viewing the Instructions from God as legalism have led many astray.

Jesus changed everything and I don't wanna be a jew

 

[Soyeong]

Jesus changed everything and I don't wanna be a jew

Jesus changed everything, but he taught nothing new. Obeying God is about identifying with God, not about identifying with Jews.

 

[Meowzltov]

If two ancient Jews leave Israel on Wedensday, Jew 'A' travels east and Jew 'B' travels west. Both travel for 7 days ending up in America.

What day is it for them?

Jew 'A' = Tuesday
Jew 'B' = Thursday

Oooops!
This type of calendar is defective unless you create a artificial international date line.

Where is that in Scripture?

Not everything is in Scripture. Sheesh. I keep telling everyone, Scripture is not "Bible Only."

The dateline thing was never a problem back then, since America was not discovered.

You also have to depend on Rabbinical Halakha for if you live far enough north that in the winter the sun doesn't rise for extended periods of time (greater the farther north you go) and in the summer, the sun doesn't set.

 

[tulipbee]

Jesus changed everything, but he taught nothing new. Obeying God is about identifying with God, not about identifying with Jews.

All elects obey God. When God commands, it gets done.

 

[Bob S]

Not everything is in Scripture. Sheesh. I keep telling everyone, Scripture is not "Bible Only."

The dateline thing was never a problem back then, since America was not discovered.

Yep, you are correct, it was not an issue in the totalitarian government of Israel, but it is now for all who thik they need to observe old covenant days. The International date line established the start of the week in the Pacific Ocean not at Sinai. The Israelites, as far as we know, were the only ones setting and observing dates, so when the week begins East of New Zealand in place of Sinai it certainly had to mess up time for some around the World. Trying to observe days without the Moon is futile if indeed God even cares.

You also have to depend on Rabbinical Halakha for if you live far enough north that in the winter the sun doesn't rise for extended periods of time (greater the farther north you go) and in the summer, the sun doesn't set.

God intended the promised land for all of Israel, that is until Jesus and the destruction of the Temple. Had the Israelites stayed in the area of the promised land they woudn't have had a problem that they to this day do not try to resolve.

 

[BobRyan]

Here ya go

The modern Jewish calendar is based upon the "mean motions of the sun and moon, the true [calendar] having been set aside." (Maimonides, Kiddusch Ha-hodesch)

Nothing there about the days of the week getting reset each month.

 

[BobRyan]

I've noticed that generally speaking we women don't get a break. 2/3 of women's work is still permissable on Shabbat, food preparation, child care, etc. It's simply necessary for daily life. We do get a break from cleaning, but the cleaning simply gets postponed, i.e. we have a boatload of dishes to do after Shabbat..

So then you keep Sunday for "an hour" and you keep the Bible Sabbath for 24 hours?

 

[BobRyan]

Of course. The Catholic Church has existed without fail from Pentecost to this day.

That is questionable given the key distinctive doctrines of the RCC that distinguish it from all the other denominations - are not found in the NT text.

As for your signature -

"Whoever meets Jesus Christ meets Judaism"
Pope Benedict XVI

The RCC seems to prefer viewing Revelation as a book about the evils of the Jews and of Jerusalem. Don't they view "Babylon" in the book of Revelation as "Jerusalem"??

 

[HebrewVaquero]

Nothing there about the days of the week getting reset each month.

The old calendar had no names for days, they used numbers. So....think about it.... What number would you start the 1st day of the month with?

 

[BobRyan]

The old calendar had no names for days, they used numbers.

They have the name "Sabbath" and also "seventh day" -- and then just numbers for the other 6 week days.

A 7 day cycle that they do not "reset each week" -- rather day 6 always follows day 5. But in the model you promote - day 7 follows day 1, and other times it follows day 3 and other months it follows day 5.

So....think about it.... what Bible text speaks of such a messed up cycle - rehashed every month.

What number would you start the 1st day of the month with?

- numbered days of the week have nothing at all to do with numbered days of the month -- have nothing at all to do with numbered months of the year have nothing at all to do with numbered years in the reign of the king. None of them reset the days of the week. none of them reset the years of a king... the days of the week cannot reset the month of the year - and the month of the year cannot reset the days of the week.

 

[HebrewVaquero]

They have the name "Sabbath" and also "seventh day" -- and then just numbers for the other 6 week days.

A 7 day cycle that they do not "reset each week" -- rather day 6 always follows day 5. But in the model you promote - day 7 follows day 1, and other times it follows day 3 and other months it follows day 5.

So....think about it.... what Bible text speaks of such a messed up cycle - rehashed every month.

- numbered days of the week have nothing at all to do with numbered days of the month -- have nothing at all to do with numbered months of the year have nothing at all to do with numbered years in the reign of the king. None of them reset the days of the week. none of them reset the years of a king... the days of the week cannot reset the month of the year - and the month of the year cannot reset the days of the week.

You didn't think about very hard, did you?
Lemme help,
For the sake of simplicity and discussion let's leave out new moon days.
Let's say you have 4 weeks in a month. Your last day is going to be the 28th.
The new month (moon) starts, you don't start the new month with 29 or 57 or 75 for the second, third or fourth months.
No, each month you start with 1
It's Biblical.

 

[BobRyan]

Again you have ignored every detail in the post given - and circled back to 'numbered days of the month' to conflate them with "numbered days of the week'" -- which we all know can never work since no week has 28 days or even 11.

The constant effort to conflate those two - different cycles - by ignoring every point in the post that points out the gap in that logic - is not at all compelling.

So then -- one more time.

Regarding the named and numbered days of the week:
They have the name "Sabbath" and also "seventh day" -- and then just numbers for the other 6 week days.

A 7 day cycle that they do not "reset each week" -- rather day 6 always follows day 5.

But in the reset-the-week-each-month model you promote - day 7 follows day 1, and other times it follows day 3 and other months it follows day 5 assuming you try to end the month on day 7. IF instead you try to reset back to 1 each month then you have day 1 following day 1 on some months. At other times day 1 follows day 2, or day 1 follows day 5.

And you end up with a 13 day week on the months were you mash up the week by having day 1 follow day 6.

It is imagined - but not found in the Bible.

So....think about it.... what Bible text speaks of such a messed up weekly cycle - rehashed every month? Answer: none.

- numbered days of the week have nothing at all to do with numbered days of the month.. Pause, stop and think about this fact for a moment because it changes everything in the model you are suggesting.

-- have nothing at all to do with numbered months of the year -- pause and think about this for a moment. Month 2 follows month 1 - no matter what day of the week it is. And it does not change the days of the week.

--have nothing at all to do with numbered years in the reign of the king. -- pause and think about this for moment. Year two of a king's reign follows year one - no matter what day of the week it is. And it does not change the days of the week.

None of them reset the days of the week. none of them reset the years of a king... the days of the week cannot reset the month of the year - and the month of the year cannot reset the days of the week.

I am taking this over to the "What day is this" thread so this topic is not derailed.

 

[Meowzltov]

So then you keep Sunday for "an hour" and you keep the Bible Sabbath for 24 hours?

Well I fast before Mass, but yeah, I keep Sunday's Solemnity for about 2 hours and Sabbath for a day.

 

[Meowzltov]

As for your signature -

"Whoever meets Jesus Christ meets Judaism"
Pope Benedict XVI

The RCC seems to prefer viewing Revelation as a book about the evils of the Jews and of Jerusalem. Don't they view "Babylon" in the book of Revelation as "Jerusalem"??

I don't know. I am so NOT into Eschatology. My attitude about Revelation is JESUS WINS, and that's all you need to know.

 

[BukiRob]

Not work on Sat or not work on sun or sabbath can be any once a week. Which

Sabbath is Saturday. Starts Friday evening after sunset and ends Saturday evening after the sun sets