[MOVED]Are you lawless?

[BobRyan]

As a result, she never received the blessing Abraham received, acceptance as family, sonship. Rather she entered employment, recruitment as slaves.

On the contrary - look at those who are held up before the NT saints as models, as examples --- in Heb 11. Not a single NT saint in that list.

In fact in Matt 17 - it is Moses AND Elijah that are standing side-by-side - "with Christ" even before the cross.

Paul points out repeatedly that not all the jews fell into rebellion - he and the post-cross disciples -- Apostles are great examples proving that point beyond all doubt.

God decided Israel would never enter rest, never share in the inheritance that a family member was entitled to.

Heb 3 declares of those who died in the wilderness "they will not enter my rest" - but then quotes the Psalms showing that EVEN in the time of David - at the time of Psalms 95 "TODAY if you do not harden your heart" - -- that "TODAY" was many centuries before Heb 4. It was even before the time of David.

The remnant, those in Israel waited for the blessing that God promised, whilst being protected by the law, which was a guardian until Christ was sent.

Not quite correct. They were born again saints - then and some of them taken directly to heaven without dying. They were not "saved by law" -- they were back then -- "saved by grace through faith" because they pursued "righteousness which is by faith" Heb 11.

Luke 2:25Now there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.

Another example of one ... born again, saved by grace through faith --- .. before the cross.

Scripture says, drive out the son of the slave woman, because he would never receive the rewards of sonship.

Because there never was such a thing as law-as-gospel where the law provided salvation. Only the Gospel provided salvation to Adam, to Seth, to Enoch, to Methuselah, to Noah, to Moses, to David...

None of them were "saved by the old covenant" -- the "obey and live" covenant. All of them saved by the New Covenant. For as Paul said in Gal 1:6-9 - there is only ONE Gospel.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Wordkeeper]

Romans 8:1Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Cannot please God - and do not submit to the Law of God. i.e. the lostBy contrast - the saved.Heb 115 By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Old covenant.

Did you change sides in this debate??

Your side: keep ALL the 613 commandments of the old covenant perfectly. If you fail in one, you have failed to keep the covenant.


My side: keep the commandment of Christ.


Confess your error in serving mammon, towards receiving baptism, justification of your spirit, now seated in high places with Christ, blessing the world, manifesting miraculous signs, even demons submit to you, causing men to turn to God, by the Spirit.


Confess your error, in serving the desires of the flesh, towards receiving absolution, sanctification of the body, now filled with grace, manifesting the power of Christ, out of you flows streams of living water, causing men to be nourished from the Rock, receiving eternal life, causing men to be enabled to live with God, by the Spirit.

Rather - I think Adam was born sinless - with a sinless nature .. not a sinful nature. He was in perfect harmony with his maker. The Tree of knowledge of good and evil - gives knowledge of evil - only by virtue of the fact that God said not to eat of it - and rebellion against the Word of God - is sin... is evil... is to know evil.Adam did not have a "body of death" at his creation neither did God say that one day he would give Adam first hand experience in evil - that would be gained by doing that which God's Word forbids.Adam knew 'about evil' the moment God said that it would be wrong/sin/death to eat of the tree that God forbade. That information gave Adam knowledge "about evil" - but did not give him "experience in evil".The ideal by every measure.in Christ,Bob

Observe, the body of death, which Adam had to subdue, like he had to subdue the rest of Creation, by the Spirit, through being IN the Garden:


Genesis 3:4The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! 5“For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”


The serpent is the voice of the deeds of the body, whose head that God later promised to bruise, manifested in the snake nailed to the tree, finally fulfilled when Christ nailed sin to the Cross.


http://www.christianforums.com/threads/sin-the-final-statement.693581/


QuoteRabbi Kahn explains that God's plan was for Adam & Eve to eat of the Tree of Life (i.e. partake of the Torah) before delving into the world of experience (i.e. eat from the Tree of Knowledge). But, incited by the snake (whom our Sages identify with the yetzer hara, the selfish/self-centered impulse we messed up the order & got it backwards. Rabbi Kahn writes: "The advantage of Torah wisdom preceding experience is that the Torah, once internalized, will serve as a basis from which subsequent experience will be interpreted. Torah becomes a vantage point from which experiences are viewed and understood. If, however, experiences are acquired first, they will serve as a basis for the interpretation given subsequently to Torah. This latter sequence can lead to distortion of the Torah and misinterpretation based on the subjective experience of the individual. Torah must precede experience. Torah must be the benchmark by which Jews lead their lives." So instead of receiving the Torah & its wisdom and infusing it into the very core of our collective being at the very beginning of our existence as a species, we are driven from it with a sword-wielding cherub barring, I wouldn't say the way back to it, rather I'd say, barring this particular way back to it.Jump forward to Moses & the Burning Bush on Mt. Sinai in Exodus 3:1-4:19. Our Sages see this revelation on Mt. Sinai as a microcosm of the second & greater revelation on Mt. Sinai, i.e. of the 10 Commandments & the Torah itself, beginning a few chapters later. When Moses protests that we would not believe him, that God had revealed Himself to him, God tells Moses to cast his (wooden) staff on the ground. It becomes a snake & Moses flees from it. God then told Moses to pick it up & it becomes a staff again. Rabbi Kahn writes: "The staff, which is, after all, only a piece of wood, can become a snake. When Moses sees this snake he becomes justifiably frightened, not just because a snake is dangerous, but because it symbolizes sin. Our previous experience with a snake had disastrous consequences for the world. But now, things are different...Moses is shown that he can control the snake. The antidote is in his hands. Evil can be countered. When one connects with the Transcendent God, via Torah, evil can have no hold."Jump forward once more. The Torah scroll that Moses wrote (like the 10 Commandments are a microcosm for/symbolize/represent the entire Torah) was placed in the Ark (interpretations of Deuteronomy 31:24-26 differ; some of our Sages say that the Torah scroll was placed on a shelf inside/outside the ark, or in the ark next to one side). What was on top of the ark, guarding the Torah? Once again, cherubs. Rabbi Kahn writes: "The first mention of cherubs in the Torah is in the verse describing the eviction of man from the Garden of Eden...As a result of man's sin, the cherubs enter the world, in order to protect the Tree of Life. We have noted the identification between the Tree of Life and the Torah. It is therefore interesting to note that with the Ark the cherubs protect the Ark which contains the Torah, and in Eden the cherubs protected the path leading to the Tree of Life/Torah. Interesting as this similarity is, it does not enlighten us regarding the essence of the cherubs. Before the sin of Adam and Eve, the cherubs were unnecessary; they appear only as a result of the sin. Perhaps we may draw the following conclusion - the cherubs represent none other than Adam and Eve themselves, young and innocent and naked in the Garden of Eden. Only as a result of their sin did they become aware of, and embarrassed by, their nakedness. The new, "sophisticated" perspective of Adam and Eve, born of partaking of the forbidden fruit, gave them a different, perhaps distorted view of the world. After the sin, they knew that they were naked; they needed to clothe themselves, to hide from God. It is fascinating that the Hebrew word for clothing is beged, which shares the same root as the word "rebellion" (b'gida). The clothing which man wears is a memorial to rebellion and the resultant distancing from God...At the top of the ark, in place of this jaded couple, pathetically attempting to hide from God, now stood an innocent looking couple, representing Adam and Eve before the sin in a state of total innocence before God. Specifically from this place would the word of God emerge and reverberate...The two cherubs were made of one piece of gold, just as Adam and Eve were initially joined together as one. The cherubs therefore symbolize the ultimate return to one's self."Thus, by clinging to the Torah (which we must now obtain through effort & struggle) we can re-attain our lost innocence and spiritual purity. Armed with the Torah, we (like Moses at the burning bush) need not fear the snake/yetzer hara.

Israel included Moses, Joshuah, David, Samuel, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel and many of those giants of faith in Hebrews 11.But as you point out eventually the nation turns against its own Messiah no matter the many stellar examples of men and women of faith in their history.Galatians 3 points out that the old covenant is "Obey and live" it is the one God gave first to Adam and Eve. As long as they remained perfect - sinless, obedient -- paradise was their home and so also full communion with God and the Angels.

Adam and Eve sinned even when they disbelieved God, "Did God really say that we would die?"

Since the fall of man - all are condemned by that rule - as Romans 3 and Galatians 3 point out - because "all have sinned".Thus from the fall of Adam onward the Gospel in the form of the New Covenant was needed for anyone who was lost - be saved - to be among the giants of faith listed in Heb 11.

No one was able to put to death the deeds of the body. To put to death the deeds of the body, a believer must be in unity with God just as Jesus was in unity with God. For that you must be IN the Garden, IN the real promised land, IN Christ.

At that point you are quoting yourself not the Bible. no text says that on Sinai God gave His Law because "Israel asked for it".Our doctrine is tested and approved "sola scriptura" we cannot simply "quote ourselves" to get to it - as I am sure you will agree.in Christ,Bob

This is quoting scripture, not ourself:


Exodus 20:19Then they said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die."


Galatians 4:24This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.

On the contrary - look at those who are held up before the NT saints as models, as examples --- in Heb 11. Not a single NT saint in that list.In fact in Matt 17 - it is Moses AND Elijah that are standing side-by-side - "with Christ" even before the cross.Paul points out repeatedly that not all the jews fell into rebellion - he and the post-cross disciples -- Apostles are great examples proving that point beyond all doubt.Heb 3 declares of those who died in the wilderness "they will not enter my rest" - but then quotes the Psalms showing that EVEN in the time of David - at the time of Psalms 95 "TODAY if you do not harden your heart" - -- that "TODAY" was many centuries before Heb 4. It was even before the time of David.

Their spirits are rescued, justified, but their bodies were not sanctified, never entered the rest from struggle against the deeds of the body. Christ was not sent because Israel did not hear with faith. That is why there remains a test.

Not quite correct. They were born again saints - then and some of them taken directly to heaven without dying. They were not "saved by law" -- they were back then -- "saved by grace through faith" because they pursued "righteousness which is by faith" Heb 11.Luke 2:25Now there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.Another example of one ... born again, saved by grace through faith --- .. before the cross.

Grace only came with Christ:


John 1:17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Because there never was such a thing as law-as-gospel where the law provided salvation. Only the Gospel provided salvation to Adam, to Seth, to Enoch, to Methuselah, to Noah, to Moses, to David...None of them were "saved by the old covenant" -- the "obey and live" covenant. All of them saved by the New Covenant. For as Paul said in Gal 1:6-9 - there is only ONE Gospel.in Christ,Bob

The Law had a lesser glory:


Romans 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God,but the doers of the law who will be justified.


Luke 18:9And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: 10“Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11“The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12‘I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’ 13“But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’ 14“I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”


Only justification, not the gift of sanctification, grace.


You have thrown up many issues, each of which can be explained to contradict your views. You should avoid handling too many issues, else you can be accused of the logical fallacy of obfuscation, trying to complicate things to hide the weakness of your argument.


You still cannot explain why Paul rebukes the law, calling it Hagar.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
Romans 8:1Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Cannot please God - and do not submit to the Law of God.

i.e. the lostBy contrast - the saved.

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Old covenant.

Neither Romans 8 or Heb 11 is the "old covenant" -- as we all know.

but if you suppose that the old covenant was "another gospel" another way of salvation - then you have Gal 1:6-9 telling us that there is only one Gospel and Heb 4:2 telling us that the "Gospel was preached to US just as it was to THEM also"

sola scriptura.

Not sola man-made-tradition

Moses and Elijah stand "with Christ" in Matt 17 -- BEFORE the cross - saved by that ONE gospel. "For the gospel was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:

 

[Wordkeeper]

BobRyan said: ↑
Romans 8:1Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Cannot please God - and do not submit to the Law of God.

i.e. the lostBy contrast - the saved.

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.



Neither Romans 8 or Heb 11 is the "old covenant" -- as we all know.

but if you suppose that the old covenant was "another gospel" another way of salvation - then you have Gal 1:6-9 telling us that there is only one Gospel and Heb 4:2 telling us that the "Gospel was preached to US just as it was to THEM also"

sola scriptura.

Not sola man-made-tradition

Moses and Elijah stand "with Christ" in Matt 17 -- BEFORE the cross - saved by that ONE gospel. "For the gospel was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:

I did not avoid your question. The law is the old covenant, I said, and there is enough proof to support that.

You on, the other hand, refused to answer why the law is called Hagar.

Answer that or you will be ignored.

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

... The law is the old covenant, I said, ...

... why the law is called Hagar.

Answer that or you will be ignored.

The Law of God, the Ten Commandments is not the 'old covenant', and this may be seen from several texts, however, let us consider Exodus 19 [starting vs 1], to begin with, which was 3 days before God spoke the Ten Commandments aloud in glorious majesty and awesome power.

Paul never says that the Law, the Ten Commandments, is Hagar [Agar], but presently you have an assumption, an apriori built in, wherein when you read in the text itself 'covenant' you place the words 'law' [or Ten Commandments] there, when it is not present in the specific texts/passage concerning Agar [Hagar] and Abraham. This is effectively adding and subtracting from the word of God at the same time, a very dangerous thing to do. Let us consider Galatians 4 more closely and see what it does in fact say of its own. We can begin in any verse you would like.

 

[Wordkeeper]

The Law of God, the Ten Commandments is not the 'old covenant', and this may be seen from several texts, however, let us consider Exodus 19 [starting vs 1], to begin with, which was 3 days before God spoke the Ten Commandments aloud in glorious majesty and awesome power.

Paul never says that the Law, the Ten Commandments, is Hagar [Agar], but presently you have an assumption, an apriori built in, wherein when you read in the text itself 'covenant' you place the words 'law' [or Ten Commandments] there, when it is not present in the specific texts/passage concerning Agar [Hagar] and Abraham. This is effectively adding and subtracting from the word of God at the same time, a very dangerous thing to do. Let us consider Galatians 4 more closely and see what it does in fact say of its own. We can begin in any verse you would like.

http://biblehub.com/galatians/4-24.htm

New International Version
These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.

New Living Translation
These two women serve as an illustration of God's two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law that enslaved them.

English Standard Version
Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.

Berean Study Bible
These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar.

Berean Literal Bible
which things are allegorized, for these are two covenants: one indeed from Mount Sinai, begetting unto slavery, which is Hagar.

New American Standard Bible
This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.

King James Bible
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

http://biblehub.com/galatians/4-24.htm

King James Bible
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

New International Version
These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.

New Living Translation
These two women serve as an illustration of God's two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law that enslaved them.

English Standard Version
Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.

Berean Study Bible
These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar.

Berean Literal Bible
which things are allegorized, for these are two covenants: one indeed from Mount Sinai, begetting unto slavery, which is Hagar.

New American Standard Bible
This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.

Taken the liberty to move the King James Bible citation of Galatians 4:24 to the top. Since this is the text you have chosen to begin with, please consider my original post to you, once more, to then answer the following question after:

The Law of God, the Ten Commandments is not the 'old covenant', and this may be seen from several texts, however, let us consider Exodus 19 [starting vs 1], to begin with, which was 3 days before God spoke the Ten Commandments aloud in glorious majesty and awesome power.

Paul never says that the Law, the Ten Commandments, is Hagar [Agar], but presently you have an assumption, an apriori built in, wherein when you read in the text itself 'covenant' you place the words 'law' [or Ten Commandments] there, when it is not present in the specific texts/passage concerning Agar [Hagar] and Abraham. This is effectively adding and subtracting from the word of God at the same time, a very dangerous thing to do. Let us consider Galatians 4 more closely and see what it does in fact say of its own. We can begin in any verse you would like.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/moved-are-you-lawless.7902267/page-14#post-68710890

Thus in following my statements already made, the question is,

Wherein Galatians 4:24 is it written, and/or, does it say that the old "covenant" is the Ten Commandments/Law of God?

In every single example provided by yourself [and thank you for so doing], not a single one, has the words "Commandment/s, Law/s, Ten [words]" in it.

This is why I made the comment to you about your [incorrect] apriori of substituting words, thus subtracting from and adding to the text itself. Without being harsh, you seem to be substituting the word "covenant' in Galatians 4:24 with other words in order to continue with your [mistaken/incorrect, apriori] belief that the old covenant is the Ten Commandments/Law of God.

There was a covenant [the old covenant] made between the peoples Israel and God in Exodus 19, with their promises, 3 days before God spoke aloud the Ten Commandments in awesome glory and majesty. Notice:

Exodus 19:8 KJV - And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.​

Covenant [an agreement between two or more parties, sometimes with a mediator, as Moses] made, based upon their [Israel the peoples] faulty promises, which they did not keep [Hebrews 8:8, "For finding fault with them ..."].


As an aside, just interesting, I noticed your name is "wordkeeper", but this would, according to scripture, mean that one is keeping God's Ten Commandments [Galatians 5:14 all the Law/Commandments of God in "one word"]:

Deuteronomy 4:2 KJV - Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Psalm 103:20 KJV - Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

Psalm 119:172 KJV - My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.​

 

[Wordkeeper]

Taken the liberty to move the King James Bible citation of Galatians 4:24 to the top. Since this is the text you have chosen to begin with, please consider my original post to you, once more, to then answer the following question after:



http://www.christianforums.com/threads/moved-are-you-lawless.7902267/page-14#post-68710890

Thus in following my statements already made, the question is,

Wherein Galatians 4:24 is it written, and/or, does it say that the old "covenant" is the Ten Commandments/Law of God?

In every single example provided by yourself [and thank you for so doing], not a single one, has the words "Commandment/s, Law/s, Ten [words]" in it.

This is why I made the comment to you about your [incorrect] apriori of substituting words, thus subtracting from and adding to the text itself. Without being harsh, you seem to be substituting the word "covenant' in Galatians 4:24 with other words in order to continue with your [mistaken/incorrect, apriori] belief that the old covenant is the Ten Commandments/Law of God.

There was a covenant [the old covenant] made between the peoples Israel and God in Exodus 19, with their promises, 3 days before God spoke aloud the Ten Commandments in awesome glory and majesty. Notice:

Exodus 19:8 KJV - And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Covenant [an agreement between two or more parties, sometimes with a mediator, as Moses] made, based upon their [Israel the peoples] faulty promises, which they did not keep [Hebrews 8:8, "For finding fault with them ..."].


As an aside, just interesting, I noticed your name is "wordkeeper", but this would, according to scripture, mean that one is keeping God's Ten Commandments [Galatians 5:14 all the Law/Commandments of God in "one word"]:

Deuteronomy 4:2 KJV - Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Psalm 103:20 KJV - Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

Psalm 119:172 KJV - My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.

Whenever law is mentioned, it refers to the Covenant of Law.

For example, here the covenant of law is compared with the covenant of grace:

John 1:17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Sure I keep the word, because it is a light burden, it has results, unlike the letter of the law, gives me rest, and it is: to hear with faith.

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

Whenever law is mentioned, it refers to the Covenant of Law.

For example, here the covenant of law is compared with the covenant of grace:

John 1:17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Sure I keep the word, because it is a light burden, it has results, unlike the letter of the law, gives me rest, and it is: to hear with faith.

I see. So you are going to bypass what was stated, and given from Exodus 19, and Hebrews 8, and the text [in Galatians 4:24] itself [in what it specifically says without additions or deletions], and simply cite a man made definition of:

"Whenever law is mentioned, it refers to the Covenant of Law."

Which is found nowhere in scripture, let alone the phrase "Covenant of Law" even once therein?

Then will you turn around and redefine John 1:17 with that man-made [not God's word] definition?

Here is John 1:17 again, since you first cited it, and look more closely, lest you bring contradiction to it with that 'definition':

John 1:17 KJV - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.​

Consider again with actual texts which given further definition, which are not some man made traditional saying:

John 1:17 KJV - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth [Psalm 119:142 KJV - Thy righteousness [is] an everlasting righteousness, and thy law [is] the truth.;Malachi 2:6 KJV - The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.; Psalm 119:151 KJV - Thou [art] near, O LORD; and all thy commandments [are] truth.
1 John 2:4 KJV - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.] came by Jesus Christ.​

Well? Is it possible that you have a misunderstanding with what the word "law" there means in association with Moses?

There is no such thing in scripture as a "Covenant of Law".

The old covenant of Exodus 19, wherein the peoples [and leadership] agreed to "do all" that the LORD "hath said" [3 days before God spoke the Ten Commandments out Loud directly to all the Nation in awesome majesty and glory] and thus covenanted with God in agreement through Moses [the mediator] to "keep My [God's] Covenant".

God's "my covenant" is differentiated from their own agreement/covenant [old covenant, based in their faulty promises, "all that the LORD hath said we will do", thus works, not faith in the promise of God before through Abraham]. Thus a differing ministration of the same Law of God, same Ten Commandments, written in differing locations, upon differing mediums, with differing promises ["we will do all", and "I will [do/write]"], differing mediators [Moses/Jesus].

 

[Wordkeeper]

I see. So you are going to bypass what was stated, and given from Exodus 19, and Hebrews 8, and the text [in Galatians 4:24] itself [in what it specifically says without additions or deletions], and simply cite a man made definition of:

"Whenever law is mentioned, it refers to the Covenant of Law."

Which is found nowhere in scripture, let alone the phrase "Covenant of Law" even once therein?

Then will you turn around and redefine John 1:17 with that man-made [not God's word] definition?

Here is John 1:17 again, since you first cited it, and look more closely, lest you bring contradiction to it with that 'definition':

John 1:17 KJV - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.​

Consider again with actual texts which given further definition, which are not some man made traditional saying:

John 1:17 KJV - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth [Psalm 119:142 KJV - Thy righteousness [is] an everlasting righteousness, and thy law [is] the truth.;Malachi 2:6 KJV - The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.; Psalm 119:151 KJV - Thou [art] near, O LORD; and all thy commandments [are] truth.
1 John 2:4 KJV - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.] came by Jesus Christ.​

Well? Is it possible that you have a misunderstanding with what the word "law" there means in association with Moses?

There is no such thing in scripture as a "Covenant of Law".

The old covenant of Exodus 19, wherein the peoples [and leadership] agreed to "do all" that the LORD "hath said" [3 days before God spoke the Ten Commandments out Loud directly to all the Nation in awesome majesty and glory] and thus covenanted with God in agreement through Moses [the mediator] to "keep My [God's] Covenant".

God's "my covenant" is differentiated from their own agreement/covenant [old covenant, based in their faulty promises, "all that the LORD hath said we will do", thus works, not faith in the promise of God before through Abraham]. Thus a differing ministration of the same Law of God, same Ten Commandments, written in differing locations, upon differing mediums, with differing promises ["we will do all", and "I will [do/write]"], differing mediators [Moses/Jesus].

So by your logic, since there is no mention of Trinity in Scripture, the teaching of Trinity is a man made teaching?

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

So by your logic, since there is no mention of Trinity in Scripture, the teaching of Trinity is a man made teaching?

Your response is only taking in part of what was said, and still refusing to address the specific texts and points made and raised and shown unto you. Please re-read the response. I was not speaking of mere phrase in words, but also [and, in addition to] the erroneous ideology/theology itself. Highlighted in red.

I see. So you are going to bypass what was stated, and given from Exodus 19, and Hebrews 8, and the text [in Galatians 4:24] itself [in what it specifically says without additions or deletions], and simply cite a man made definition of:

"Whenever law is mentioned, it refers to the Covenant of Law."

[First Ideology] Which is found nowhere in scripture, [secondly phraseology] let alone the phrase "Covenant of Law" even once therein?

Then will you turn around and redefine John 1:17 with that man-made [not God's word] definition?

Here is John 1:17 again, since you first cited it, and look more closely, lest you bring contradiction to it with that 'definition':

John 1:17 KJV - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.​

Consider again with actual texts which given further definition, which are not some man made traditional saying:

John 1:17 KJV - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth [Psalm 119:142 KJV - Thy righteousness [is] an everlasting righteousness, and thy law [is] the truth.;Malachi 2:6 KJV - The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.; Psalm 119:151 KJV - Thou [art] near, O LORD; and all thy commandments [are] truth.
1 John 2:4 KJV - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.] came by Jesus Christ.​

Well? Is it possible that you have a misunderstanding with what the word "law" there means in association with Moses?

There is no such thing in scripture as a "Covenant of Law".

The old covenant of Exodus 19, wherein the peoples [and leadership] agreed to "do all" that the LORD "hath said" [3 days before God spoke the Ten Commandments out Loud directly to all the Nation in awesome majesty and glory] and thus covenanted with God in agreement through Moses [the mediator] to "keep My [God's] Covenant".

God's "my covenant" is differentiated from their own agreement/covenant [old covenant, based in their faulty promises, "all that the LORD hath said we will do", thus works, not faith in the promise of God before through Abraham]. Thus a differing ministration of the same Law of God, same Ten Commandments, written in differing locations, upon differing mediums, with differing promises ["we will do all", and "I will [do/write]"], differing mediators [Moses/Jesus].

Now to the derailment:

First the Bible [can be sourced from the known documents if you would like]:

1 John 5:7 KJV - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1 John 5:8 KJV - And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.​

Thus there are [plural word] three persons, even as it is written.

Job 13:8 KJV - Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?

Hebrews 1:3 KJV - Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

John 15:26 KJV - But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:13 KJV - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Acts 8:29 KJV - Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.​

etc, etc.

They "three" "agree in one", yet are "three" persons. They "three" share the one name [Jehovah], but are not one person [the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost/Spirit]:

Matthew 28:19 KJV - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
​

"in the name" ..... that name is Jehovah - Exodus 6:3.

A name they share, the character they [three persons] share.

They "Three" are "one":

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORDeuteronomy 6:4

The word "one" is unity [like multiple persons of a single family, or team, or husband and wife in marriage, spearate beings, yet to be one in unity, togetherness]. The Hebrew is : 'Echad, - and is not the Hebrew yachid, nor bad.

When this is given again in the New Testament, quoted by Jesus, we see a Greek word which is helpful:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:29

Notice again the translation of the word from Hebrew [YHVH] to Greek [Kurios], and also of the word used for “one” [Hebrew, 'Echad] to “one”[Greek, eis].

This is the same way in which Marriage is given in Genesis, in the Gospels and by Paul, that there are 2 persons [male and female, and [3] God also] which come together in unity [togetherness], and this is how the word [one] is used in both the Hebrew and Greek:

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Genesis 2:24

See how that “they” [multiple] are to be “one” [togetherness, unity of all but person]?

And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?Matthew 19:5

Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.Matthew 19:6

And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. Mark 10:8

What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 1 Corinthians 6:16

For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Ephesians 5:31

They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person.

Consider that this is how Jesus Christ even spoke of Himself and the Father, along with Himself and the Disciples, and even with the disciples amongst themselves, togetherness in mind, in purpose, in harmony, but not in person:

I and [my] Father are one. John 10:30

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. John 17:11

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.John 17:21

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:John 17:22

Notice, the scriptures in several places, speaks to this unity, this togetherness of multiplicity:

[Be] of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. Romans 12:16

That ye may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.Romans 15:6

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1 Corinthians 1:10

Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.2 Corinthians 13:11

Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel; Philippians 1:27

Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, [being] of one accord, of one mind.Philippians 2:2

I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord. Philippians 4:2

Finally, [be ye] all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, [be] pitiful, [be] courteous: 1 Peter 3:8

It is written in Ezekiel:

And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: Ezekiel 11:19

Even satan's forces shall be thus joined together in such unity of purpose:

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.Revelation 17:13

For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. Revelation 17:17

Therefore, first, if you desire to continue along this thought process, I will ask you to take it to another thread and not derail this one, and then ask you what your definition of the word 'trinity' is, and then your definition of 'one'. If [said definitions] is/are after the Roman theology [it deals with 'substance', and other errors, which generally is also the standard error of the EOC, OOC, and many others, etc], it is error, not according to scripture [though it may be according to their man-made creeds/traditions], and this may be demonstrated - in fullness, citing not only the scripture, but also their sources.

 

[Wordkeeper]

Your response is only taking in part of what was said, and still ThTheere is no construct nobody can putthemselfrefusing to address the specific texts and points made and raised and shown unto you. Please re-read the response. I was not speaking of mere phrase in words, but also [and, in addition to] the erroneous ideology/theology itself. Highlighted in red.

Now to the derailment:

First the Bible [can be sourced from the known documents if you would like]:

1 John 5:7 KJV - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1 John 5:8 KJV - And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.​

Thus there are [plural word] three persons, even as it is written.

Job 13:8 KJV - Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?

Hebrews 1:3 KJV - Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

John 15:26 KJV - But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:13 KJV - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Acts 8:29 KJV - Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.​

etc, etc.

They "three" "agree in one", yet are "three" persons. They "three" share the one name [Jehovah], but are not one person [the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost/Spirit]:

Matthew 28:19 KJV - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
​

"in the name" ..... that name is Jehovah - Exodus 6:3.

A name they share, the character they [three persons] share.

They "Three" are "one":

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORDeuteronomy 6:4

The word "one" is unity [like multiple persons of a single family, or team, or husband and wife in marriage, spearate beings, yet to be one in unity, togetherness]. The Hebrew is : 'Echad, - and is not the Hebrew yachid, nor bad.

When this is given again in the New Testament, quoted by Jesus, we see a Greek word which is helpful:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:29

Notice again the translation of the word from Hebrew [YHVH] to Greek [Kurios], and also of the word used for “one” [Hebrew, 'Echad] to “one”[Greek, eis].

This is the same way in which Marriage is given in Genesis, in the Gospels and by Paul, that there are 2 persons [male and female, and [3] God also] which come together in unity [togetherness], and this is how the word [one] is used in both the Hebrew and Greek:

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Genesis 2:24

See how that “they” [multiple] are to be “one” [togetherness, unity of all but person]?

And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?Matthew 19:5

Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.Matthew 19:6

And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. Mark 10:8

What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 1 Corinthians 6:16

For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Ephesians 5:31

They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person.

Consider that this is how Jesus Christ even spoke of Himself and the Father, along with Himself and the Disciples, and even with the disciples amongst themselves, togetherness in mind, in purpose, in harmony, but not in person:

I and [my] Father are one. John 10:30

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. John 17:11

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.John 17:21

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:John 17:22

Notice, the scriptures in several places, speaks to this unity, this togetherness of multiplicity:

[Be] of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. Romans 12:16

That ye may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.Romans 15:6

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1 Corinthians 1:10

Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.2 Corinthians 13:11

Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel; Philippians 1:27

Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, [being] of one accord, of one mind.Philippians 2:2

I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord. Philippians 4:2

Finally, [be ye] all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, [be] pitiful, [be] courteous: 1 Peter 3:8

It is written in Ezekiel:

And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: Ezekiel 11:19

Even satan's forces shall be thus joined together in such unity of purpose:

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.Revelation 17:13

For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. Revelation 17:17

Therefore, first, if you desire to continue along this thought process, I will ask you to take it to another thread and not derail this one, and then ask you what your definition of the word 'trinity' is, and then your definition of 'one'. If [said definitions] is/are after the Roman theology [it deals with 'substance', and other errors, which generally is also the standard error of the EOC, OOC, and many others, etc], it is error, not according to scripture [though it may be according to their man-made creeds/traditions], and this may be demonstrated - in fullness, citing not only the scripture, but also their sources.

Similarly, when the text says we can put ourselves under grace, it means that we are putting ourselves under a covenant.

Ask your lawyer what it means to be UNDER CONTRACT.

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

...

Do you recognize that the scripture teaches that God's Law is connected to His Grace/Salvation and the Sacrifice [Passover], even as it was from the beginning [blood of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, and the promise of the seed]:

1 Corinthians 5:7 KJB - Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Exodus 13:3 KJB - And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this [place]: there shall no leavened bread be eaten.

Exodus 13:9 KJB - And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

Exodus 16:4 KJB - Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Exodus 16:6 KJB - And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then ye shall know that the LORD hath brought you out from the land of Egypt:

Exodus 16:23 KJB - And he said unto them, This [is that] which the LORD hath said, To morrow [is] the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake [that] which ye will bake [to day], and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

Exodus 16:28 KJB - And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Exodus 16:29 KJB - See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

Exodus 16:30 KJB - So the people rested on the seventh day.
​

The Ten Commandments themselves begins with grace, for it was by the blood of the Lamb [Passover] and the Grace and Salvation of God that they were brought out to obey:

Exodus 20:2 KJB - I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Exodus 20:6 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

​

 

[Wordkeeper]

Do you recognize that the scripture teaches that God's Law is connected to His Grace/Salvation and the Sacrifice [Passover], even as it was from the beginning [blood of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, and the promise of the seed]:

1 Corinthians 5:7 KJB - Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Exodus 13:3 KJB - And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this [place]: there shall no leavened bread be eaten.

Exodus 13:9 KJB - And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

Exodus 16:4 KJB - Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Exodus 16:6 KJB - And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then ye shall know that the LORD hath brought you out from the land of Egypt:

Exodus 16:23 KJB - And he said unto them, This [is that] which the LORD hath said, To morrow [is] the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake [that] which ye will bake [to day], and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

Exodus 16:28 KJB - And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Exodus 16:29 KJB - See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

Exodus 16:30 KJB - So the people rested on the seventh day.

The Ten Commandments themselves begins with grace, for it was by the blood of the Lamb [Passover] and the Grace and Salvation of God that they were brought out to obey:

Exodus 20:2 KJB - I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Exodus 20:6 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

The purpose of the law was to make people realise their inadequacy and need for God's forgiveness. Every one can see that in the text:


The Glory of the New Covenant
John MacArthur

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/47-18/the-glory-of-the-new-covenant-part-4

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The moral Law can’t save you either; all it does is drive you to the place where you see your sin for what it is, and in your despair, you rush to God and plead for mercy and grace. And that’s what an Old Testament saint did. That’s what the remnant did. That’s what a true Jew did. He looked at the Law, looked at his life and said, “I can’t keep the Law.” And he cried out for mercy.

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

The purpose of the law was to make people realise their inadequacy and need for God's forgiveness. Every one can see that in the text: ...

No, the Law of God, is a transcript of His perfect and eternal Character, it is the Mirror of His heart:

1 Corinthians 13:12 KJB - For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

2 Corinthians 3:18 KJB - But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord.

James 1:23 KJB - For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

James 1:25 KJB - But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Psalm 119:41 KJB - VAU. Let thy mercies come also unto me, O LORD, [even] thy salvation, according to thy word.

Psalm 119:42 KJB - So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word.

Psalm 119:43 KJB - And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments.

Psalm 119:44 KJB - So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

Psalm 119:45 KJB - And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

Psalm 119:46 KJB - I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.

Psalm 119:47 KJB - And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved.

Psalm 119:48 KJB - My hands also will I lift up unto thy commandments, which I have loved; and I will meditate in thy statutes.​

THE MORAL CHARACTER OF GOD AND HIS LAW:

[Quoted and Adapted from: "CAN PERSECUTION ARISE IN AMERICA?"; S. A. KAPLAN; PUBLISHED FOR THE RELIGIOUS LIBERTY ASSOCIATION; WASHINGTON, D.C. 20012; BY THE REVIEW AND HERALD PUBLISHING ASSOCIATION; WASHINGTON, DC 1967] -

http://www.bible-sabbath.com/Sabbath-Sunday/CanPersecutionAriseInAmerica.pdf

[01.]

God is JUST - [Romans 3:26]

His law is JUST - [Romans 7:12]


[02.]

God is TRUE - [John 3:33]

His law is TRUE - [Nehemiah 9:13]


[03.]

God is PURE - [1 John 3:3]

His law is PURE - [Psalms 19:7,8]


[04.]

God is LIGHT - [1 John 1:5]

His law is LIGHT - [Proverbs 6:23]


[05.]

God is FAITHFUL - [1 Corinthians 1:9]

His law is FAITHFUL - [Psalms 119:86]


[06.]

God is GOOD - [Nahum 1:7]

His law is GOOD - [Romans 7:12,16]


[07.]

God is SPIRITUAL - [John 4:24]

His law is SPIRITUAL - [Romans 7:14]


[08.]

God is HOLY - [Isaiah 6:3; 1 Peter 1:15]

His law is HOLY - [Exodus 20:8; Romans 7:12]


[09.]

God is TRUTH - [John 14:6]

His law is TRUTH - [Psalms 119:142,151]


[10.]

God is LIFE - [John 14:6]

His law is LIFE - [Matthew 19:17]


[11.]

God is RIGHTEOUSNESS - [Jeremiah 23:6]

His law is RIGHTEOUSNESS - [Psalms 119:172]


[12.]

God is PERFECT - [Matthew 5:48]

His law is PERFECT - [James 1:25]


[13.]

God is ETERNAL - [John 8:35]

His law is ETERNAL - [Psalms 111:7,8]


[14.]

God is PEACE - [Isaiah 9:6]

His law is PEACE - [Psalms 119:165]


[15.]

God is THE WAY - [John 14:6]

His law is THE WAY - [Psalms 119:30-32]


[16.]

God is SURE - [2 Timothy 2:19]

His law is SURE - [Psalms 19:7, 111:7,8]


[17.]

God is UNCHANGING - [Malachi 3:6]

His law is UNCHANGING - [Psalms 111:7,8]


[18.]

God is SWEET - [Psalms 34:8]

His law is SWEET - [Psalms 19:10, 119:103]


[19.]

God is WISE - [Psalms 111:10]

His law is WISE - [Psalms 19:7]


[20.]

God is OUR MEDITATION - [Psalms 63:6]

His law is OUR MEDITATION - [Psalms 1:2]


[21.]

God is JUDGE - [Psalms 50:6]

His law is JUDGE - [James 2:12]


[22.]

God is ENLIGHTENMENT - [Psalms 18:27]

His law is ENLIGHTENMENT - [Psalms 19:8]


[23.]

God is LOVE - [1 John 4:7,8]

His law is LOVE - [Romans 13:8-10]


[24.]

God is CLEAN - [Psalms 19:9]

His law is CLEAN - [Ezekiel 22:26]


[25.]

God is BLESSED - [Psalms 28:6]

His law is BLESSED - [Exodus 20:11]


[26.]

God is DELIGHT - [Psalms 37:4]

His law is DELIGHT - [Psalms 1:2]


[27.]

God is WONDERFUL - [Isaiah 9:6]

His law is WONDERFUL - [Psalms 119:18]


[28.]

God is LIBERTY - [Isaiah 61:1]

His law is LIBERTY - [James 1:25; Psalms 119:45]


[29.]

God is COMFORT - [Psalms 23:4]

His law is COMFORT - [Psalms 119:50]


[30.]

God is OUR SONG - [Revelation 15:3]

His law is OUR SONG - [Psalms 119:54]


[31.]

God is MERCIFUL - [Exodus 34:5]

His law is MERCIFUL - [Psalms 119:58]


[32.]

God is KNOWLEDGE - [Isaiah 11:2]

His law is KNOWLEDGE - [Psalms 119:66]


[33.]

God is HOPE - [Psalms 130:7]

His law is HOPE - [Psalms 119:74]


[34.]

God is LIFE - [Psalms 36:9]

His law is LIFE - [Proverbs 3:1,2]


[35.]

God is SOUND - [Proverbs 8:13,14]

His law is SOUND - [Psalms 119:80]


[36.]

God is UNDERSTANDING - [Psalms 147:5]

His law is UNDERSTANDING - [Psalms 119:99]


[37.]

God is HAPPINESS - [Psalms 146:5]

His law is HAPPINESS - [Proverbs 29:18]


[38.]

God is JOY - [Psalms 16:11]

His law is JOY - [Psalms 119:162]​

The Glory of the New Covenant
John MacArthur

[link removed]

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The moral Law can’t save you either; all it does is drive you to the place where you see your sin for what it is, and in your despair, you rush to God and plead for mercy and grace. And that’s what an Old Testament saint did. That’s what the remnant did. That’s what a true Jew did. He looked at the Law, looked at his life and said, “I can’t keep the Law.” And he cried out for mercy.

John MacArthur teaches Jesuit doctrine, over all, and he carries no weight with me and he tramples upon the Holy Sabbath of the LORD [Jesus].

Of course the Law of God cannot save anyone, never said it could [always the same ol' rotten straw man, repeated ad infinitum].

The Ten Commandments, the Law of God, is the written standard of Love & Righteousness, the Law of the Kingdom of God. It is Jesus Christ/God who saves, so that we may obey Him in it, even as Exodus 20:2, and Exodus 20:6 reveal, along with John 14:15.

[Salvation/Grace/Blood of the Lamb]

"I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out ... of bondage ..."​

[Obedience by Faith = Love, because He first loved us]

"... shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. ..."
​

Thus:

Ephesians 2:8 KJB - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 KJB - Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:10 KJB - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.​

Hence:

Jeremiah 31:33 KJB - But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
​

It is written:

John 15:5 KJB - I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.​

Thus, who can keep God's Law without God, in Him? None.

But who can keep God's Law by/with God, in Him? All.

Philippians 4:13 KJV - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.​

The problem is, you [as so many] do not actually believe this. You say, in complete lack of faith [in so many words], 'No man can keep the Law of God, it is an impossibility...', and they say this, even when they say they have Christ Jesus, and have His strength...

Thus they deny the Scripture itself, being hypocrites, saying one thing, but in actual actions revealing another, and so they are not the children of Faith, as Joshua and Caleb, but are as the others, who shall not enter into the promised Land, if they continue in their doubt.

Matthew 17:20 KJB - And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Matthew 19:26 KJB - But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Mark 10:27 KJB - And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men [it is] impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Luke 1:37 KJB - For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Luke 18:27 KJB - And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

Hebrews 11:6 KJB - But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
​

Repent.

 

[Wordkeeper]

No, the Law of God, is a transcript of His perfect and eternal Character, it is the Mirror of His heart:

1 Corinthians 13:12 KJB - For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

2 Corinthians 3:18 KJB - But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord.

James 1:23 KJB - For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

James 1:25 KJB - But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Psalm 119:41 KJB - VAU. Let thy mercies come also unto me, O LORD, [even] thy salvation, according to thy word.

Psalm 119:42 KJB - So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word.

Psalm 119:43 KJB - And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments.

Psalm 119:44 KJB - So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

Psalm 119:45 KJB - And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

Psalm 119:46 KJB - I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.

Psalm 119:47 KJB - And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved.

Psalm 119:48 KJB - My hands also will I lift up unto thy commandments, which I have loved; and I will meditate in thy statutes.

THE MORAL CHARACTER OF GOD AND HIS LAW:

[Quoted and Adapted from: "CAN PERSECUTION ARISE IN AMERICA?"; S. A. KAPLAN; PUBLISHED FOR THE RELIGIOUS LIBERTY ASSOCIATION; WASHINGTON, D.C. 20012; BY THE REVIEW AND HERALD PUBLISHING ASSOCIATION; WASHINGTON, DC 1967] -

http://www.bible-sabbath.com/Sabbath-Sunday/CanPersecutionAriseInAmerica.pdf

[01.]

God is JUST - [Romans 3:26]

His law is JUST - [Romans 7:12]


[02.]

God is TRUE - [John 3:33]

His law is TRUE - [Nehemiah 9:13]


[03.]

God is PURE - [1 John 3:3]

His law is PURE - [Psalms 19:7,8]


[04.]

God is LIGHT - [1 John 1:5]

His law is LIGHT - [Proverbs 6:23]


[05.]

God is FAITHFUL - [1 Corinthians 1:9]

His law is FAITHFUL - [Psalms 119:86]


[06.]

God is GOOD - [Nahum 1:7]

His law is GOOD - [Romans 7:12,16]


[07.]

God is SPIRITUAL - [John 4:24]

His law is SPIRITUAL - [Romans 7:14]


[08.]

God is HOLY - [Isaiah 6:3; 1 Peter 1:15]

His law is HOLY - [Exodus 20:8; Romans 7:12]


[09.]

God is TRUTH - [John 14:6]

His law is TRUTH - [Psalms 119:142,151]


[10.]

God is LIFE - [John 14:6]

His law is LIFE - [Matthew 19:17]


[11.]

God is RIGHTEOUSNESS - [Jeremiah 23:6]

His law is RIGHTEOUSNESS - [Psalms 119:172]


[12.]

God is PERFECT - [Matthew 5:48]

His law is PERFECT - [James 1:25]


[13.]

God is ETERNAL - [John 8:35]

His law is ETERNAL - [Psalms 111:7,8]


[14.]

God is PEACE - [Isaiah 9:6]

His law is PEACE - [Psalms 119:165]


[15.]

God is THE WAY - [John 14:6]

His law is THE WAY - [Psalms 119:30-32]


[16.]

God is SURE - [2 Timothy 2:19]

His law is SURE - [Psalms 19:7, 111:7,8]


[17.]

God is UNCHANGING - [Malachi 3:6]

His law is UNCHANGING - [Psalms 111:7,8]


[18.]

God is SWEET - [Psalms 34:8]

His law is SWEET - [Psalms 19:10, 119:103]


[19.]

God is WISE - [Psalms 111:10]

His law is WISE - [Psalms 19:7]


[20.]

God is OUR MEDITATION - [Psalms 63:6]

His law is OUR MEDITATION - [Psalms 1:2]


[21.]

God is JUDGE - [Psalms 50:6]

His law is JUDGE - [James 2:12]


[22.]

God is ENLIGHTENMENT - [Psalms 18:27]

His law is ENLIGHTENMENT - [Psalms 19:8]


[23.]

God is LOVE - [1 John 4:7,8]

His law is LOVE - [Romans 13:8-10]


[24.]

God is CLEAN - [Psalms 19:9]

His law is CLEAN - [Ezekiel 22:26]


[25.]

God is BLESSED - [Psalms 28:6]

His law is BLESSED - [Exodus 20:11]


[26.]

God is DELIGHT - [Psalms 37:4]

His law is DELIGHT - [Psalms 1:2]


[27.]

God is WONDERFUL - [Isaiah 9:6]

His law is WONDERFUL - [Psalms 119:18]


[28.]

God is LIBERTY - [Isaiah 61:1]

His law is LIBERTY - [James 1:25; Psalms 119:45]


[29.]

God is COMFORT - [Psalms 23:4]

His law is COMFORT - [Psalms 119:50]


[30.]

God is OUR SONG - [Revelation 15:3]

His law is OUR SONG - [Psalms 119:54]


[31.]

God is MERCIFUL - [Exodus 34:5]

His law is MERCIFUL - [Psalms 119:58]


[32.]

God is KNOWLEDGE - [Isaiah 11:2]

His law is KNOWLEDGE - [Psalms 119:66]


[33.]

God is HOPE - [Psalms 130:7]

His law is HOPE - [Psalms 119:74]


[34.]

God is LIFE - [Psalms 36:9]

His law is LIFE - [Proverbs 3:1,2]


[35.]

God is SOUND - [Proverbs 8:13,14]

His law is SOUND - [Psalms 119:80]


[36.]

God is UNDERSTANDING - [Psalms 147:5]

His law is UNDERSTANDING - [Psalms 119:99]


[37.]

God is HAPPINESS - [Psalms 146:5]

His law is HAPPINESS - [Proverbs 29:18]


[38.]

God is JOY - [Psalms 16:11]

His law is JOY - [Psalms 119:162]

John MacArthur teaches Jesuit doctrine, over all, and he carries no weight with me and he tramples upon the Holy Sabbath of the LORD [Jesus].

Of course the Law of God cannot save anyone, never said it could [always the same ol' rotten straw man, repeated ad infinitum].

The Ten Commandments, the Law of God, is the written standard of Love & Righteousness, the Law of the Kingdom of God. It is Jesus Christ/God who saves, so that we may obey Him in it, even as Exodus 20:2, and Exodus 20:6 reveal, along with John 14:15.

[Salvation/Grace/Blood of the Lamb]

"I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out ... of bondage ..."

[Obedience by Faith = Love, because He first loved us]

"... shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. ..."

Thus:

Ephesians 2:8 KJB - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 KJB - Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:10 KJB - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Hence:

Jeremiah 31:33 KJB - But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

It is written:

John 15:5 KJB - I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Thus, who can keep God's Law without God, in Him? None.

But who can keep God's Law by/with God, in Him? All.

Philippians 4:13 KJV - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

The problem is, you [as so many] do not actually believe this. You say, in complete lack of faith [in so many words], 'No man can keep the Law of God, it is an impossibility...', and they say this, even when they say they have Christ Jesus, and have His strength...

Thus they deny the Scripture itself, being hypocrites, saying one thing, but in actual actions revealing another, and so they are not the children of Faith, as Joshua and Caleb, but are as the others, who shall not enter into the promised Land, if they continue in their doubt.

Matthew 17:20 KJB - And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Matthew 19:26 KJB - But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Mark 10:27 KJB - And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men [it is] impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Luke 1:37 KJB - For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Luke 18:27 KJB - And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

Hebrews 11:6 KJB - But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Repent.

John MacArthur teaches Jesuit doctrine, over all, and he carries no weight with me and he tramples upon the Holy Sabbath of the LORD [Jesus].

Here you made an illegal debating point, a reasoning not acceptable in discussions, a logical fallacy of argumentum ad hominem:

https://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/fallacies_list.html

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(1) Abusive: To argue that proposals, assertions, or arguments must be false or dangerous because they originate with atheists, Christians, Muslims, communists, capitalists, the John Birch Society, Catholics, anti-Catholics, racists, anti-racists, feminists, misogynists (or any other group) is fallacious. This persuasion comes from irrational psychological transference rather than from an appeal to evidence or logic concerning the issue at hand. This is similar to the genetic fallacy, and only an intellectual would argue otherwise.



John MacArthur may understand some things wrong, but all his statements need not be wrong. He could tell you that he had bacon and eggs for breakfast and he would be right.

Why did the pharisee not return home justified?

He argued he was entitled to be blessed by God because he was a child of Abraham:

John 8:39"Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do what Abraham did.


He insisted that a child of Abraham was identified by works. His error, a child of Abraham is identified by faith:

Galatians 3:7Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham.

He did not believe God's word that all the law was to be obeyed:

Deuteronomy 5:33Walk in obedience to all that the LORD your God has commanded you, so that you may live and prosper and prolong your days in the land that you will possess.





His error made him not a child of Abraham and his disbelief lost him justification.

Why was the publican justified?

He read God's word and believed he had to obey all the commandments:

Deuteronomy 6:1These are the commands, decrees and laws the Lord your God directed me to teach you to observe in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess, 2so that you, your children and their children after them may fear the Lord your God as long as you live by keeping all his decrees and commands that I give you, and so that you may enjoy long life.

He let the teachers place burdens on Him and believed they had to be obeyed:

Matthew 23:4“They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger.


He tried to obey the law and failed even to avoid the simple sins like lying (like any other human being):

Luke 18:13“But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’

He realised he could not be what God wanted him to be and was humbled:

Luke 18:13“But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’

He was exalted because God loves the humble, and was justified, because he believed God, had faith, was loyal, like Abraham. His justification, being found found acceptable, was because he had believed God's word that His commandments were to obeyed perfectly, this belief confirmed by his confession that he had failed.

Repent? Yes, you should do that. Scripture says to drive out the son of the slave woman.

 

[BobRyan]

The purpose of the law was to make people realise their inadequacy and need for God's forgiveness. Every one can see that in the text:

Ok for the lost.

But why in your model - is it written on the "mind and heart" of the saints?

 

[Wordkeeper]

Ok for the lost.

But why in your model - is it written on the "mind and heart" of the saints?

The system was made for man, not man for the system.

If the system gets in the way of protecting citizens, we will suspend it, such as the air space was closed to allow F16 fighters to stop hijacked planes on 9/11.

Similarly, the Sabbath is suspended to save lives, to rescue drowning animals, to heal the sick...

When the red light stops the ambulance from reaching the hospital, if it is preventing purpose of the law, to serve and protect, it is suspended.

That is the law written on the heart: to serve and protect. The law written on stone kills, so it is now suspended...

 

[BobRyan]

Ok for the lost.
But why in your model - is it written on the "mind and heart" of the saints?

As we see here in BOTH the OT and the NT

New Covenant saints in both the OT and NT would have the "Law of God written on the mind and heart" --

we saw it in Jer 31:31-33 and in Heb 8


Jer 31:
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”



Heb 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

The NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-33 demands that we look at the Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers.

The system was made for man, not man for the system.

God's Law was never made for man to break/tweak/edit. That is Christ's entire point in Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

So then James 2 says "to break one is to break them all"

 

[Wordkeeper]

As we see here in BOTH the OT and the NT

New Covenant saints in both the OT and NT would have the "Law of God written on the mind and heart" --

we saw it in Jer 31:31-33 and in Heb 8


Jer 31:
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”



Heb 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

The NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-33 demands that we look at the Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers.





God's Law was never made for man to break/tweak/edit. That is Christ's entire point in Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

So then James 2 says "to break one is to break them all"

Yet he told the Jews that they were hypocrites, doing things they wouldn't allow others to do, when even the priests were allowed to do it:

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat. 2But when the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath.” 3But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions, 4how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone? 5“Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent? 6“But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here. 7“But if you had known what this means, ‘I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.8“For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

9Departing from there, He went into their synagogue. 10And a man was there whose hand was withered. And they questioned Jesus, asking, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—so that they might accuse Him. 11And He said to them, “What man is there among you who has a sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out?