Death Penalty for Abortion

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No, a baby is still a baby before being born. You are just refusing to recognize his humanity. Therefore it is immoral, if (repugnantly)legal.

100% agree.

 

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Imagine how empty churches and neighbor hoods would be, if women got the death penalty for abortion.

Logical fallacy. In the USA there are approximately 1 million baby killings a year. The population is 300 million, so let's say women are half of that. That means that there are 149 million that have not had an abortion. With a potential audience of 149 million, the likelihood of the churches being empty is fallacious in the extreme.

 

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Except people were killing their babies. Before abortions were legal. Which sometimes ended with mom harmed or dead.

Can't deny that and I can't deny that more women have died from botched legal abortions than those who died from botched illegal abortions because the number of legal abortions performed far outweigh the illegal ones.

 

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Ha. Lions. Sharks. Several Ape species. Insects.

AS I said, we are the only species that kill our own IN THE WOMB.

 

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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-some-mammals-kill-babies-own-kind-180953318/?no-ist

It's so easy to just make wild assertions - but in the age of the internet it's just as easy to find out the truth - hence religions seem to be worried.

Another one who in their determination to defend abortion at all cost didn't bother to read what I said. The internet link you provided told us the truth but you ignored it so I will say it again for you. We are the only species that kill our own IN THE WOMB.

 

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Show me this survey. Because I'm calling BS.

I will show you what I want to show you, not what you demand me to do. And you can call it what you want as it does not bother me one little bit as I am not here to satisfy your whims and aggression. You can do your own homework the same as I do.

 

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First off you're for the death penalty for innocent women? And you feel as though we would murder people LESS in a time when the Crusades were a thing? And women were burned at the stake for being witches? What's wrong with you?

Second, you do know that they're not babies when they're aborted.

And third, that we don't just throw the fetus/zygote in the trash afterward. In fact it helps save lives with valuable medical advances.

First, where have I said I am for the death penalty for innocent women?

Second, where did I bring up the Crusades?

Third, where did I bring up burning witches at the stake?

Fourth, What I do know is that they are babies when they are torn to pieces.

Fifth, there are enough examples to know that babies born alive are thrown into the trash can as testified by nurses who assisted in abortions and left the industry in disgust.

Sixth. It helps make money for Planned Parenthood who sell baby body parts when they can abort the baby as intact as possible, all recorded on video. To sell the body parts you have to have the persons or parents consent. Planned parenthood does not have this.

 

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Only 2 people I know were forced into abortion. One was a 15 year old teenager. Because the parents didn't want people to find out the child was a product of her step father. The other one, a boyfriend took her to the abortion clinic and scared her into it. I never knew anyone, that was forced into abortion provider. Most people I know, that had abortions choose too.

I do not know anyone that has had an abortion by choice so that cancels out your premise. Having collected the stats from here, there and everywhere for a long time, the evidence is that the majority of abortions are not voluntary except one woman who proudly announced she had had six of them.

 

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In fact, it was rampant in the Medieval days. And from there it didn't get better really. Jonathan Swift made a very modest proposal about baby populations (hehehe)

So yea it wouldn't be safer at all for sure

Abortions were not recorded in medieval times.

 

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Abortions were not recorded in medieval times.

This of course does not mean they did not occur. Cunning-women knew well how to do such things.

 

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Whether or not a fetus is alive or when it becomes "alive" during pregnancy is irrelevant. For the sake of argument I could even grant that life begins at conception and that unborn life has the exact same right to life as any and every other person.... and that still would not be reason to make abortion illegal. Any persons right to life ends where it infringes on the rights of life and/or bodily autonomy of another person.

Such weird thinking and soooooooooo self centred. it would be the most compelling arguement against abortion. Why do you think that the feminists have gone overboard to try and convince us that the baby in the womb is not a baby. It is just a clump of cells or flesh. Immediately you admit it is a real living baby your argument is dead in the water.

The mother's right to kill ends when she decides to have sex because every act of sex has the potential to produce a baby. To say I want sex but not the consequences of it but no worries I can have it killed is totally shallow and selfish.

 

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I don't know of any instances of woman wanting to get an abortion after actually choosing the be pregnant unless there are medical reasons.

Women who get an abortion (not for medical reasons) are women who are pregnant against their will. And who thus did not choose to become pregnant.

Also, I'ld like you to clarify something...
Does that mean that you are okay with rape victims getting an abortion?
Certainly you can at least agree that rape victims at no point chose to even only "expose" themselves to a risque of getting pregnant, right? ...Right?

Because if you feel like they can't have an abortion either.... then clearly this "choice" isn't your actual argument and just a smokescreen.

Sorry if I misrepresent you if that is the case though.
But in other threads here, people have been using this "choice" argument as well and when rape was brought up.... well.... their responses weren't very nice.

Oh dear, all the standard rhetoric brought out by those who are determined to fuel the man hate idea.

One. You don't know, which means it doesn't happen. Many women have had second thoughts after getting pregnant voluntarily.

Two. They are NOT always pregnant against their will. In 99% of cases they have decided to risk pregnancy becuase no birth control is foolproof except NO.

Three. The red herring of rape victims who only make up 1% of abortions so you cannot use them as a reason for open slather on abortion.

Four. Their responses were in all probability ones you didn't want to hear.

 

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That is extremely false.

To help you understand. We are the only species who murder our own IN THE WOMB. As the topic is abortion seems logical to me that is what I meant.

 

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This of course does not mean they did not occur. Cunning-women knew well how to do such things.

I am not implying they didn't but it is fallacious to make an argument based on that argument when no figures were collected.

 

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I know many on these forums support the death penalty for murder. Also many consider abortion to be murder. For those that believe both...do you support the execution of a woman that had an abortion performed? How about execution for the physician and any other medical staff that were involved?

Would you support the execution of a leader that ordered drone strikes where mostly civilians would die? Once we admit that something is murder, then we admit it should somehow be punished. Now if that is legal, who should be punished? In the just world to come on earth under the rule of Jesus, no one will get away with murder. Period. Now...they do. Heck they may even get a nobel peace prize for it.

That murder is legal, and promoted and paid for by some states shows that those states are wicked to such a level that God will soon lower the boom on them.

 

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Nope. That's not what happens when abortion is illegal, nor is it what happened in the US in the period when it was illegal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...higher-countries-illegal-study_n_1215045.html

https://www.guttmacher.org/media/presskits/abortion-WW/statsandfacts.html

You do show your desperation when you reference the Guttmacher Institute who are committed to you not finding out the truth and the Huffington Post who are pro abortion and anti christian.

 

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You do show your desperation when you reference the Guttmacher Institute who are committed to you not finding out the truth and the Huffington Post who are pro abortion and anti christian.

Seriously? Those are reputable sources. Desperation indeed. What better ones do you have that provide a dissenting viewpoint?

 

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Nope, I've never seen a study or any other sort of statistics that found your claim to be true.

Then you obviously aren't actually interested in convincing anyone that you're right.

More "I have never seen it so it does not exist" rhetoric. I have never seen the president of South Sudan so he doesn't exist.

No I am not interested in convincing you that I am right. What you believe or do not believe is totally irrelevant to me and I have said that before so I guess I just have to accept that some atheists are not too intelligent.

 

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Seriously? Those are reputable sources. Desperation indeed. What better ones do you have that provide a dissenting viewpoint?

Ha ha ha. If they are reputable then Clinton wasn't lying when he said he did not have sex with that woman.