What is the defense for planned parenthood harvesting babay brains?

[Unix]

I suspect they view themselves as organized and that it's a necessity to be organized and that they don't take anything without asking. That's not how I view it myself:

Well if they're a really skillful and savvy and successful manufacturing plant, of course they would. Any manufacturing plant/factory worth its salt would do exactly that, especially if they have "investors", invested in these "products".

EDIT: Unless I'm authoring on a big manuscript I may sometimes not be getting to my point immediately, that's my own problem, sorry to hear I cause some to neglect the discussion:

That is not the way i see being effective at doing anything other than making people not want to address this. People are going to get tired and flip eachother the bird and walk way from any such debate, because they will know where it will end up.

EDIT2: Select Churches should be getting the money to the other tasks instead i.e. except aborting. Although that would be a travel back in history to times when Churches and monasteries had much more diverse tasks than to educate and employ one seniour pastor to hold a sermon for four-five dozen "Sunday-Christians" Sunday 10 or 11 AM and just socialize with the elderly during some of the rest of the Week, and do the occasional funeral or baby-baptizing:

Less than 3% of their services are abortions. They actually do more to prevent STDs, unwanted pregnancies and encourage practicing safe sex. Do you want to deny low income women from sex education, birth control, etc?

 

[brinny]

Not when we are trying to resolve something. They get in the way and those who use them are usually more interested in shutting down debate instead of inspiring it. This started as a fraudulant video which some used to try an shame others.

That is not the way i see being effective at doing anything other than making people not want to address this. People are going to get tired and flip eachother the bird and walk way from any such debate, because they will know where it will end up.

You dismiss emotions and then mention "shame".

Why is that?

Secondarily, lest we all forget where these babies body parts come from.....

they come from babies.

 

[brinny]

I suspect they view themselves as organized and that it's a necessity to be organized and that they don't take anything without asking. That's not how I view it myself:



Unless I'm authoring on a big manuscript I may sometimes not be getting to my point immediately, that's my own problem, sorry to hear I cause some to neglect the discussion:

You're fine, my friend. You haven't done anything wrong. I appreciate your input, and i agree about Planned Parenthood.

 

[Nithavela]

I don't get you guys. You are talking to Brinny like he is open for reasonable debate, while it is clear that he is only arguing from appeals to emotion. You might as well talk to him in a foreign language. Just go and find some sad picture of women forced to have a child or a coathanger abortion or something.

 

[brinny]

I don't get you guys. You are talking to Brinny like he is open for reasonable debate, while it is clear that he is only arguing from appeals to emotion. You might as well talk to him in a foreign language. Just go and find some sad picture of women forced to have a child or a coathanger abortion or something.

What's wrong with emotions?

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

You dismiss emotions and then mention "shame".

Why is that?

Secondarily, lest we all forget where these babies body parts come from.....

they come from babies.

I do not dismiss emotions and shame is the tactic that those who try to use emotions as a defence. I am simply stating that it is uneffective when one is trying to find a resolution. Also you are using the imagry of this video that is one that is only real to those who wish it is real, so they can use it.

 

[Unix]

I have experience with pregnancies.
My ex girlfriend (i.e. not wife but after whom I met when I signed divorce-papers) had an abortion of our child when it was EDIT: pretty little. In my opinion the only sad part was I wasn't well myself at the time. She doesn't regret but she does sometimes think she would have wanted an heir to her very old Medieval or older and exciting not that long surname - the name dies with her for good when she eventually dies. I haven't heard of a better name locally over here, it's a neither strange nor dull name. I haven't been together with her for well over two years but we are really good friends. She recently got a new boyfriend and was really hopeful, suddenly he made her pregnant, but as he started to leave her she made yet another abortion. I would have been ready to help out and I'm very well nowadays since years but she can't make such a sudden turn and take me back and she hasn't even been wanting a new couple-relationship with me again - which is a problem, but I'm also progressing myself finding a new girlfriend and she supports that quest in the background. The other guys genes would probably have been at least as good. Still, I understand her and don't blame her, I'm not bothered anymore. So I do have some perspective:

Just go and find some sad picture of women forced to have a child or a coathanger abortion or something.

 

[brinny]

I do not dismiss emotions and shame is the tactic that those who try to use emotions as a defence. I am simply stating that it is uneffective when one is trying to find a resolution. Also you are using the imagry of this video that is one that is only real to those who wish it is real, so they can use it.

I haven't said "shame on you" once.

Emotions are what they are. They just are.

Something that is devoid of all emotion would be a robot.

And that is because they are not human and are incapable of it.

Are we to be "ashamed" of our emotions?

 

[Nithavela]

What's wrong with emotions?

Bringing nothing but emotions to a debate where everyone else tries to reason with arguments is like taking a rubber chicken to a knife fight. People might humor you and stop beating on you after a while, but you're not going to produce any tangible results and look foolish doing that.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I don't get you guys. You are talking to Brinny like he is open for reasonable debate, while it is clear that he is only arguing from appeals to emotion. You might as well talk to him in a foreign language. Just go and find some sad picture of women forced to have a child or a coathanger abortion or something.

People have a right to use the defense they choose. Wither it is effective is up to those to whom he's debating. Some people never change their tactics but it's not because other people don't try to persuade them.

Isn't debate for changing peoples minds with information. If not the one you debate than for those who are reading them?

 

[brinny]

I have experience with pregnancies.
My ex girlfriend (i.e. not wife but after whom I met when I signed divorce-papers) had an abortion of our child when it was EDIT: pretty little. In my opinion the only sad part was I wasn't well myself at the time. She doesn't regret but she does sometimes think she would have wanted an heir to her very old Medieval or older and exciting not that long surname - the name dies with her for good when she eventually dies. I haven't heard of a better name locally over here, it's a neither strange nor dull name. I haven't been together with her for well over two years but we are really good friends. She recently got a new boyfriend and was really hopeful, suddenly he made her pregnant, but as he started to leave her she made yet another abortion. I would have been ready to help out and I'm very well nowadays since years but she can't make such a sudden turn and take me back and she hasn't even been wanting a new couple-relationship with me again - which is a problem, but I'm also progressing myself finding a new girlfriend and she supports that quest in the background. The other guys genes would probably have been at least as good. Still, I understand her and don't blame her, I'm not bothered anymore. So I do have some perspective:

Bless yer heart, and your former girlfriend's. Things happen. It's good to have perspective, my friend.

 

[brinny]

Bringing nothing but emotions to a debate where everyone else tries to reason with arguments is like taking a rubber chicken to a knife fight. People might humor you and stop beating on you after a while, but you're not going to produce any tangible results and look foolish doing that.

Emotions are nothing to fear.

Are they?

We are all human. We have emotions.

So do babies.

Babies are human too.

Lest we forget.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I haven't said "shame on you" once.

Emotions are what they are. They just are.

Something that is devoid of all emotion would be a robot.

And that is because they are not human and are incapable of it.

Are we to be "ashamed" of our emotions?

My friend, you really need to set back and read my posts outside your agitation.

I said shaming was a tactic of those who use emotionalism as a defense. The word need not be uttered, but it is implied by the emotionalism that you are using.

Did I say that we should be ashamed of anything. No one should be ashamed of doing anything except not speaking out when they feel there is a need. I applaud your efforts, but I will say that they are ineffective when debating such things. All debate that is set up to not search for a solution to an issue is done only to spend time debating.
After a while all the words have been uttered and all the contestants reduced to a frustrated shell of what they once was and then the insults come out to degrade ones own character.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I have experience with pregnancies.
My ex girlfriend (i.e. not wife but after whom I met when I signed divorce-papers) had an abortion of our child when it was EDIT: pretty little. In my opinion the only sad part was I wasn't well myself at the time. She doesn't regret but she does sometimes think she would have wanted an heir to her very old Medieval or older and exciting not that long surname - the name dies with her for good when she eventually dies. I haven't heard of a better name locally over here, it's a neither strange nor dull name. I haven't been together with her for well over two years but we are really good friends. She recently got a new boyfriend and was really hopeful, suddenly he made her pregnant, but as he started to leave her she made yet another abortion. I would have been ready to help out and I'm very well nowadays since years but she can't make such a sudden turn and take me back and she hasn't even been wanting a new couple-relationship with me again - which is a problem, but I'm also progressing myself finding a new girlfriend and she supports that quest in the background. The other guys genes would probably have been at least as good. Still, I understand her and don't blame her, I'm not bothered anymore. So I do have some perspective:

She sounds like a very troubled person. She might need to see a therapist for emotional issues. I'm sorry you've had experiences like this. My family has it's share of disturbed people and it really puts an emotional drain on the family.

 

[brinny]

My friend, you really need to set back and read my posts outside your agitation.

I said shaming was a tactic of those who use emotionalism as a defense. The word need not be uttered, but it is implied by the emotionalism that you are using.

Did I say that we should be ashamed of anything. No one should be ashamed of doing anything except not speaking out when they feel there is a need. I applaud your efforts, but I will say that they are ineffective when debating such things. All debate that is set up to not search for a solution to an issue is done only to spend time debating.
After a while all the words have been uttered and all the contestants reduced to a frustrated shell of what they once was and then the insults come out to degrade ones own character.

I'm not interested in winning any debates. Nor in inflicting insults towards anyone. I'm not angry, agitated, or interested in degrading anyone.

As far as "solutions"?

Solutions to "what", exactly?

What is the "problem" from your perspective that needs a "solution"?

Babies don't want to be "body parts". They would like to keep their brains, their spinal cords, their livers, and their hearts, thank you and pursue their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I don't believe that should be taken from them (or anyone else).

 

[Unix]

She is not disturbed but rather level-headed. You shouldn't make a comment like that not knowing why an abortion is a good option:

She sounds like a very troubled person. She might need to see a therapist for emotional issues. I'm sorry you've had experiences like this. My family has it's share of disturbed people and it really puts an emotional drain on the family.

 

[The Cadet]

You mean like a manufacturing plant with a demand for more and more of their "products"? Are you saying Planned Parenthood does that,

Nope.

and views Murdered babies bodies and the severed parts of these babies bodies as "products"?

Nope.

And that being a really "good" manufacturing or distribution plant/factory, that they'd "stimulate" some way of getting more of these "products" to meet the demand?

Nope.

You did not understand my post, and just like with every other post I've made in this thread, you've failed or refused to address my arguments.

 

[brinny]

Well, if that's the case, we're on the same page and I'm against it. I saw one of the videos. It made me feel uneasy.

However, there seems to be some who claim that the videos are fraudulent. I don't know. Wasn't there. Maybe they're right. Notwithstanding, I don't feel good about partial birth abortions. And obviously, my opinions are not based on religious beliefs. I'm talking about stages from a few cells to a fully developed fetus.


I guess the question for everyone is - From conception to birth, where's the "cut-off point", is there a limit or is it all 'fair game'?

Good question.

Should there be a "cut off" point?

 

[brinny]

Even when I identified as an atheist, I thought this organization was corrupt. It's making money off of duping vulnerable women into thinking that the life growing inside of them isn't life. So, it's not life but it has a brain? lol

How sad and scary. Reminds me of the book, Frankenstein.

I agree.

 

[brinny]

Nope.



Nope.



Nope.

You did not understand my post, and just like with every other post I've made in this thread, you've failed or refused to address my arguments.

You are the one who brought up "stimulating supply", did you not?

It makes perfect sense now that i think about it that Planned Parenthood most certainly can and is capable of doing this by whatever means necessary. And part of how to do this would be to do a snow job on the public and on vulnerable women that unborn babies are not "really not alive" or not human or not a person, and they do not feel the pain of what is about to happen to them.

If they are successful in this snow job, it wouldn't be that difficult to have a steady stream of women coming in to unwittingly provide the "supply" of these "products" and thus, the "stimulating supply" is successful.

They're brilliant.

in the meantime, the numbers keep on climbing:

http://www.poodwaddle.com/clocks/abortion/