Democrats - bold enough to get away with anything and everything without consequences.

[ebia]

Wel there is a trety called the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty, which Iran signed, yet they violated that.

Yet we can only check the installations after 24 should Iran protest. That is quite simply laughable

For most sites that's not the case.
For the few sites that it is the case that they can quibble for a maximum of 24 days, there is nothing they would want to be doing there that they could hide within 24 days sufficiently to avoid detection. No, it isn't laughable at all.

The sanctions were stopping them since I(ran was no threat while they were under economic sanctions.

The sanctions weren't stopping them. They slowed down once the negotiation got serious, but only because they were serious about negotiating. That wouldn't continue.

Now they aren't and they get an immediate 150 billion dollar boost to their economy.

It's their money.

Who know how many terror organisations around the world are waiting to get thei hands os some of the cash.

These sanctions were not imposed to stop terrorism. They were imposed to stop them building nuclear weapons.

If you are going to impose sanctions against terrorism, why not start with Israel and Saudi Arabia?

The idea that the sanctions will go back immediately is a joke. http://opiniojuris.org/2015/07/14/t...-in-the-iran-deal-have-a-pretty-big-loophole/

The return of sanctions is pretty strong. There are some clauses to limit the immediate impact on contracts, otherwise nobody could afford to trade with Iran, but the sanctions come back in very quickly, and in relation to how much they breach the agreement. An opinion piece by someone who even admits he doesn't understand the deal very well doesn't carry a lot of weight. You seem to be clutching at straws, as well as constantly moving the goalposts. I sense you are starting with a conclusion and despartely trying to justify it.

 

[ebia]

Wel there is a trety called the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty, which Iran signed, yet they violated that.

And India, Pakistan and Israel violated it and built nukes without even pretending to abide by it. Better sanction them before Iran.

 

[MikeK]

And India, Pakistan and Israel violated it and built nukes without even pretending to abide by it. Better sanction them before Iran.

Israel also stole American secrets to build their nukes, in addition to those secrets freely provided to them by American traitors like Edward Teller who escaped prosecution and was courted by Republicans for the rest of his life.

 

[Rationalt]

What is the alternative? What would it cost--in both dollars and human lives--to try to stop Iran by force?
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The alternative is to go back what was working.There is no need to use force on Iranian regime.

 

[Rationalt]

And India, Pakistan and Israel violated it and built nukes without even pretending to abide by it. Better sanction them before Iran.

Of those three it is pakistan nukes who have abright chance of ending up with Jihadis.That is what matters.

 

[ebia]

Of those three it is pakistan nukes who have abright chance of ending up with Jihadis.That is what matters.

Well that is certainly a lot more plausible since America invaded Afghanistan and destabilised Pakistan.

But Pakistan only built nukes because India did. And Iran wants them because Israel has them. That's why it's called a non-proliferation treaty: because every country that builds them is a threat to the world if only because it encourages someone else to do so. Overlook it when "friends" do it and you've no ground to stand on when those you fear do likewise.

 

[Rationalt]

Well that is certainly a lot more plausible since America invaded Afghanistan and destabilised Pakistan.

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Nothing to do with that. Jihadis want Islamic rule everywhere.The same reason they kill non muslims everywhere throughout the world.

 

[ebia]

Nothing to do with that. Jihadis want Islamic rule everywhere.The same reason they kill non muslims everywhere throughout the world.

Your point in the context of the conversation?

(Actually, I think you'll find "jihadis" kill more Muslims than they kill non Muslims, but hey).

 

[Rationalt]

Your point in the context of the conversation?

That it is a bad idea to allow muslims to have nukes.One has to be dense enough not to understand this simple fact.

(Actually, I think you'll find "jihadis" kill more Muslims than they kill non Muslims, but hey).

Jihadis kill shias because they think they are polytheists who corrupted monotheism of muhammad. They kill other muslims who get in the way of Jihadi muslim ideology.

 

[ebia]

That it is a bad idea to allow muslims to have nukes.One has to be dense enough not to understand this simple fact.

Anyone else can have nukes, but not Muslims?

Jihadis kill shias because they think they are polytheists who corrupted monotheism of muhammad. They kill other muslims who get in the way of Jihadi muslim ideology.

And Iran is...?

 

[Rationalt]

Anyone else can have nukes, but not Muslims?

Any one else not as crazy as jihadis who expect perpetual virgins provided by Allah is heaven for killing for establishing Islamic rule over non-muslims.

And Iran is...?

A self proclaimed terrorist state. I am not going to reply anymore of your inane queries.

 

[classicalhero]

And India, Pakistan and Israel violated it and built nukes without even pretending to abide by it. Better sanction them before Iran.

Israel didn't violate the treaty since they never signed it, plus they got most of the nuclear secrets given to them from France.

 

[ebia]

Any one else not as crazy as jihadis who expect perpetual virgins provided by Allah is heaven for killing for establishing Islamic rule over non-muslims.

A self proclaimed terrorist state.

So Iran isn't jihadist.
Anyone except jihadists can build nukes (puts you in disagreement with most of the world, but hey)
So Iran can have nukes.

I am not going to reply anymore of your inane queries.

Yeh, you said that before.

Nevertheless, I'll continue to point out the incoherence in your arguments.

 

[ebia]

Israel didn't violate the treaty since they never signed it,

So it's okay to do something bad, so long as you never agree not to?

plus they got most of the nuclear secrets given to them from France.

and this is relevant because...?

 

[WarriorAngel]

 

[ebia]

And you think that picture is a fair presentation, when (a) Israel does plenty of other things that frustrate and provoke, and retaliates in ways that kill hundreds of times more people?

Hamas rockets kill less Israelis than car accidents.

 

[ebia]

It's like the kid next door keeps throwing pebbles at your car because you keep taking his toys away, so you come home one day with a semi-automatic weapon, shoot half of his family, and call it defending yourself.

"He threw hundreds of projectiles, I only sent 10 back". No mention his were pebbles and yours were bullets.

 

[MikeK]

The story is told not by the number of rockets launched but by the number of innocent persons maimed and killed. Israel has weapons which are strictly defensive and very capable of rendering Hamas rockets and mortars ineffective, yet they elect to kill grossly more Palestinians than they take in casualties. That is unjust. The Hamas rocket and mortar attacks, though generally ineffective, are also grossly unwarranted and should be condemned.

 

[WarriorAngel]

And you think that picture is a fair presentation, when (a) Israel does plenty of other things that frustrate and provoke, and retaliates in ways that kill hundreds of times more people?

Hamas rockets kill less Israelis than car accidents.

I said this before - then why do they keep provoking Israel when they know what happens?
Are they obtuse?

 

[WarriorAngel]

It's like the kid next door keeps throwing pebbles at your car because you keep taking his toys away, so you come home one day with a semi-automatic weapon, shoot half of his family, and call it defending yourself.

"He threw hundreds of projectiles, I only sent 10 back". No mention his were pebbles and yours were bullets.

Adding - most if not all of the Middle East - Iran for one - hates Israel and wants it gone.