Presbyterian Church Leaders Declare Gay Marriage Is Christian

[GQ Chris]

hahaha^

 

[rnmomof7]

Nah, but well on its way...

Actually it is there

 

[rnmomof7]

The article is confused. Two actions were taken.

One, with 61% voting yes, is an Authoriatative Interpretation of the Constitution, allowing gay marriage in states where it is legal. (It was already permissible to conduct civil unions.) There is a statement that no teaching elder or Session has to participate.

The second, with 71% voting yes, is a proposed amendment to the Directory for Worship, changing the definition from a man and a woman to "two people, traditionally a man and a woman." This has to be approved by the Presbyteries.
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The church I am attending bought its way out of the PCUSA ...

 

[OliviaMay]

Well good for them. Love your neighbor. We all deserve to have dignity and love.

 

[dysert]

This may be off topic, but I need to know... Did the PC(USA) ordain lesbians as ministers? If yes, can someone point me to where this is documented? Thanks.

 

[hedrick]

This may be off topic, but I need to know... Did the PC(USA) ordain lesbians as ministers? If yes, can someone point me to where this is documented? Thanks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/presbyterian-church-lesbian-couple_n_6952330.html

 

[dysert]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/presbyterian-church-lesbian-couple_n_6952330.html

Thanks, Hedrick.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

Well good for them. Love your neighbor. We all deserve to have dignity and love.

Actually, we all deserve eternal torment and nothing at all from God let alone each other. We are all by nature objects of God's wrath no matter what our sexual preferences.

 

[OliviaMay]

Actually, we all deserve eternal torment and nothing at all from God let alone each other. We are all by nature objects of God's wrath no matter what our sexual preferences.

No we don't all deserve eternal torture. There is no eternal torture.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

This may be off topic, but I need to know... Did the PC(USA) ordain lesbians as ministers? If yes, can someone point me to where this is documented? Thanks.

Google Rev. Janie Spahr. She was ordained as an evangelist long before the PCUSA changed it's rules.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

No we don't all deserve eternal torture. There is no eternal torture.

Regrettably the testimony of the Christian Church from antiquity, Jesus Himself, and the inerrant, infallible word of God say otherwise.

It would appear as if your opinion is out of the mainstream let alone contrary to scripture.

 

[OliviaMay]

Regrettably the testimony of the Christian Church from antiquity, Jesus Himself, and the inerrant, infallible word of God say otherwise.

It would appear as if your opinion is out of the mainstream let alone contrary to scripture.

God doesn't torture for eternity. Any opinion that holds that he does is flawed. God is love.

 

[JM]

God doesn't torture for eternity. Any opinion that holds that he does is flawed. God is love.

Please do not promote unorthodox Christian doctrine in this forum...there is a forum for that.

God is...jealous, wrathful, just, vengeful, etc. read your Bible.

 

[OliviaMay]

Please do not promote unorthodox Christian doctrine in this forum...there is a forum for that.

God is...jealous, wrathful, just, vengeful, etc. read your Bible.

That god doesn't seem nice at all. I like Jesus better.

 

[hedrick]

Google Rev. Janie Spahr. She was ordained as an evangelist long before the PCUSA changed it's rules.

Just to be clear for people outside the PCUSA. She was ordained in 1974. At that point there was no rule against it. Ordaining gays was prohibited by GA policy from 1978, and by constitutional amendment from 1996. Those prohibitions were removed in 2011. The 1978 change specifically said that existing gay pastors were OK. (These dates could be off by up to a year.)

The cases involving Spahr were over installation into a new position, not ordination, and later over participation in a gay marriage.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

Just to be clear for people outside the PCUSA. She was ordained in 1974. At that point there was no rule against it. Ordaining gays was prohibited by GA policy from 1978, and by constitutional amendment from 1996. Those prohibitions were removed in 2011. The 1978 change specifically said that existing gay pastors were OK. (These dates could be off by up to a year.)

The cases involving Spahr were over installation into a new position, not ordination, and later over participation in a gay marriage.

i believe you will find that Spahr did not 'come out' until after the fact of her ordination. HOWEVER, she was out when she was called to co-pastor (does the PCUSA still have that structure?) a congregation in Rochester NY back in 1990...i may be off by a year or so on that date. That matter went all the way to the General Assembly before her call was disapproved.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

That god doesn't seem nice at all. I like Jesus better.

Would that be the Jesus of both history and scripture who preached about the torments of hell almost as much as he did the Kingdom of Heaven, or the Jesus of somebody's imagination?

 

[OliviaMay]

Would that be the Jesus of both history and scripture who preached about the torments of hell almost as much as he did the Kingdom of Heaven, or the Jesus of somebody's imagination?

That is simply your opinion. My opinion is different. Jesus wants us to love. If we follow the commands of Jesus we will be fine.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

That is simply your opinion. My opinion is different. Jesus wants us to love. If we follow the commands of Jesus we will be fine.

Not so. That is the historical record, and the testimony of the inerrant word of God, not my interpretation or opinion.

If you have historical and/or scripture evidence to the contrary...you do know that they are one and the same thing?...please post it that we may scrutinise it in the light of God's revelation to mankind. We will see which is correct.

 

[OliviaMay]

Not so. That is the historical record, and the testimony of the inerrant word of God, not my interpretation or opinion.

If you have historical and/or scripture evidence to the contrary...you do know that they are one and the same thing?...please post it that we may scrutinise it in the light of God's revelation to mankind. We will see which is correct.

No it is simply your interpretation and opinion. Jesus said to love and not judge. I am not worried about being tortured forever at all.