Another Fossil Transitional Species that shouldn't exist ... Meet Pappochelys

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I've answered many questions and some of them are even in this thread. You have answered none of mine. I didn't CLAIM anything. I stated the fact that you are not in any position to demand what you don't give. I told you before I would not keep playing your game on that. NO need to cry about what you were informed before was not going to be permitted endlessly
You mean I didn't give you the answer you wanted to hear perhaps, but I did answer your question. You must know I did, because you conveniently cut that part out of the post you quoted from me. Yes, you didn't claim anything because you have no answers. You still have no answers.


Been my position ever since you begged off answering mine.

P.S. for people who may answer your question not knowing that you won't answer theirs (because you can't) you might want to consider a better one than why fish would appear at the lower "stratas" (or for that matter using the failed strategy of claiming a fossil does not exist because it does not show up in the fossil record - which you elsewhere beg the opposite for to answer the lack of more transitional fossils). Every year new discoveries discredit that rational over and over again. Still not answering your questions due to your failure to answer any - just a free tip. ;)
Your "free tips" are worth their weight in gold. Do tell us, though why fish appear at the lower stratas... oh wait... I forgot that you don't make claims here. You ask the questions, but don't answer any.

We are done here. Clearly it is pointless for me to attempt an intelligent discussion with you. I am now putting you on my Ignore list. Let me just say you are a credit to creationism and every "Creation Ministry" website on the internet.

So long and thanks for all the fish. :wave:
 
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We are done here. Clearly it is pointless for me to attempt an intelligent discussion with you. I

I'd run too if my beloved TO site and other darwinist's were exposed for publishing crappy arguments on Whales based on faulty data :) :)

You will not be missed. ;)
 
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I'd run to if my beloved TO site and other darwinist's were exposed for publishing crappy arguments on Whales based on faulty data :) :)

You will not be missed. ;)
Oh, what was the issue with their whale info?
 
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The issue? i think I have said like three times already. Its wrong.
In what way is it wrong? What source do you have that contradicts it?

Simply asserting something is wrong doesn't mean much and certainly isn't going to send any one running.
 
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In what way is it wrong? What source do you have that contradicts it?

Simply asserting something is wrong doesn't mean much and certainly isn't going to send any one running.

YAWN....I am not simple asserting anything is wrong and I don;t care whether you run walk or sit twiddling your thumbs. You , what you do or accept is not in the least important to facts. If you are uneducated on what i am referring to then go do some research about whales. I quoted the specific passage I referred to twice and your comrade I was responding to called DI into question just as I did without any source presuming I knew that issue so why would I presume you would interject into an issue you don't know anything about?

Is that an intelligent thing to do?
 
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YAWN....I am not simple asserting anything is wrong and I don;t care whether you run walk or sit twiddling your thumbs. You , what you do or accept is not in the least important to facts. If you are uneducated on what i am referring to then go do some research about whales. I quoted the specific passage I referred to twice and your comrade I was responding to called DI into question just as I did without any source presuming I knew that issue so why would I presume you would interject into an issue you don't know anything about?

Is that an intelligent thing to do?
I assume you are talking about this post.

"The vestigial features of whales tell us two things. They tell us that whales, like so many other organisms, have features that make no sense from a design perspective - they have no current function, they require energy to produce and maintain, and they may be deleterious to the organism. They also tell us that whales carry a piece of their evolutionary past with them, highlighting a history of a terrestrial ancestry........................Whales also retain a number of vestigial structures in their organs of sensation. Modern whales have only vestigial olfactory nerves. Furthermore, in modern whales the auditory meatus (the exterior opening of the ear canal) is closed. "

Now thats some tripe
You say it's tripe, but i'm not seeing any specific criticism. What specifically is wrong in the quoted passage? Why is it wrong? Sources?

Simply asserting that it's tripe doesn't mean much and certainly isn't going to send anyone running.
 
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IN case you missed it I already indicated where we could start

We started in post #72:

Me: We have demonstrated that creationist sites misrepresent the facts.

You: A) You have done nothing of the sort

Me: We could start with this page, if you want.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/05/do_shared_ervs_support_common_046751.html

Do you think this stands up to the facts?

Are you conceding?
http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/

specifically

"The vestigial features of whales tell us two things. They tell us that whales, like so many other organisms, have features that make no sense from a design perspective - they have no current function, they require energy to produce and maintain, and they may be deleterious to the organism. They also tell us that whales carry a piece of their evolutionary past with them, highlighting a history of a terrestrial ancestry........................Whales also retain a number of vestigial structures in their organs of sensation. Modern whales have only vestigial olfactory nerves. Furthermore, in modern whales the auditory meatus (the exterior opening of the ear canal) is closed. "

Now thats some tripe

Why is it tripe?

"Why not?"

Why you can't you speak for "we" on a christian forum? Seriously? try to think why that would be. when last have CHristians appointed agnostics as their spokeperson?

I am a representative for those who present science. I have been here for quite a while, and speak as a member of a group that has consistently presented information on these forums that is ignored by people like yourself.

Oh please...only in your dreams is TO a peer reviewed scientific journal . . .

TO presents the information from peer reviewed scientific journals. Why aren't those papers authoritative? We can discuss the actual research articles, if you want. However, it is very rare that a creationist will do so.


NO thats why I am still laughing at TO talking about Whales.

What about them?

You still haven't answered the most basic question. What features should a whale transitional have that these fossils are missing?
 
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YAWN....I am not simple asserting anything is wrong and I don;t care whether you run walk or sit twiddling your thumbs. You , what you do or accept is not in the least important to facts. If you are uneducated on what i am referring to then go do some research about whales. I quoted the specific passage I referred to twice and your comrade I was responding to called DI into question just as I did without any source presuming I knew that issue so why would I presume you would interject into an issue you don't know anything about?

Is that an intelligent thing to do?

The more important question is why do we find vestigial structures that are consistent with the nested hierarchy. Why don't we find whales with vestigial feathers? Why do we only find vestigial features that are consistent with a terrestrial mammal ancestry?
 
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Simply asserting that it's tripe doesn't mean much and certainly isn't going to send anyone running.

Simply rambling rhetoric doesn't have me running either if you noticed. Any movement you see is me shaking with laughter at you interjecting in defense of something you know nothing about
 
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Why is it tripe?

Ummm because its factually incorrect. Let me see if I can cut down on the words a little and see if you can grasp it this time
"The vestigial features of whales tell us two things. They tell us that whales, like so many other organisms, have features that make no sense from a design perspective........ Modern whales have only vestigial olfactory nerves."

now ahem.... for creationists reading this thread here is what you are probably going to see next when they realize how wrongit is

A) crickets or
B) handwaving that being wrong on the facts in essence does not matter or
C) begging on bended knee that though the fact is most defintiely wrong the argument suffers not the least from it being wrong because they understand the science (Even when its wrong and you don't and DRUM ROLL always more......
D) distractions and rhetoric to cover the fail
 
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Ummm because its factually incorrect. Let me see if I can cut down on the words a little and see if you can grasp it this time


now ahem.... for creationists reading this thread here is what you are probably going to see next when they realize how wrongit is

A) crickets or
B) handwaving that being wrong on the facts in essence does not matter or
C) begging on bended knee that though the fact is most defintiely wrong the argument suffers not the least from it being wrong because they understand the science (Even when its wrong and you don't and DRUM ROLL always more......
D) distractions and rhetoric to cover the fail

C'mon, let's see it. My guess is that you are under the false impression that vestigial structures have no function.
 
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C'mon, let's see it. My guess is that you are under the false impression that vestigial structures have no function.

ROFL my bet is you are clueless as to what the word vestigial means. HInt: you cannot claim that a creature that has functional hearing has vestigial hearing nerves

:) ;) Unless you just slipped and fell and are not thinking properly I mean
 
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