Why does Ken Ham think that the Universe is only 6,000 years old?

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Satan had to fall before he entered the garden of Eden and Isaiah 12 says that Lucifer was in charge of the earth. I have heard other people say that Universe if 10,000 years old.
Satan fell before the creation. He was already an enemy of the Lord when Adam and Eve were created.
The genealogies of the Israelites trace from Adam to Noah, to Abraham, to Moses, David and finally to Christ. Judging the age of the creation is as simple as adding up the ages of the generations.
You can see a complete timeline here.
 
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The Earth isn't 6000 years old. It's 4.5 billion years old.
If you can't identify the origin you can't identify the age. Find a viable theory for the origination of the universe from nothing and get back with me. Lacking that, you have no idea how old the earth is.
 
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If you can't identify the origin you can't identify the age. Find a viable theory for the origination of the universe from nothing and get back with me. Lacking that, you have no idea how old the earth is.

Who said the universe came from nothing?
 
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If you can't identify the origin you can't identify the age. Find a viable theory for the origination of the universe from nothing and get back with me. Lacking that, you have no idea how old the earth is.
Except he's talking about the Earth and not the universe.

It's like finding a wooden chair, I don't need to tell you how old the tree was to work out how old the chair is.
 
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Satan fell before the creation. He was already an enemy of the Lord when Adam and Eve were created.
The genealogies of the Israelites trace from Adam to Noah, to Abraham, to Moses, David and finally to Christ. Judging the age of the creation is as simple as adding up the ages of the generations.
You can see a complete timeline here.

lesliedellow, in post #2, is correct in placing the origins of these dates with Bp. Ussher and his book The Annals of the World, which was published around 1650. Bp. Ussher utilized the very method you have championed. The problem is, anything before the United Kingdom period is largely speculative. For instance, the Exodus has been dated with a late and early date (neither of which match Bp. Ussher's calculations) and there is compelling evidence for each. I personally favor the late date. Also, the method you describe assumes that the Biblical genealogies are complete, when in fact they appear to have eliminated insignificant figures and been evened off to round numbers of generations to aid memorization.
 
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Who said the universe came from nothing?
The universe is in a constant state of decay. It's winding down. It's finite and will have an end. Anything with an end must have a beginning.
There are no scientifically valid theories for the origination of anything.
God can violate natural law but the natural world cannot. There are a lot of theories about the origination of the universe, but I don't know of any credible cosmologist who thinks it didn't have an origination at some point.
 
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Except he's talking about the Earth and not the universe.
He can't explain the origination of the earth, either.
If the earth is part of the universe, then you have to know how one came about to date the other.
If you don't have a source for wood, you can't make a chair.
 
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Also, the method you describe assumes that the Biblical genealogies are complete, when in fact they appear to have eliminated insignificant figures and been evened off to round numbers of generations to aid memorization.
If you assume they are 80% complete then we have 80% of the timeline of the earth. So maybe it's 10,000 years old not 6,000 years. Many Biblical scholars would disagree that there are gaps in the genealogies properly understood. Personally, it's never much interested me whether the earth is 6,000 years old or 10,000 years old. We know it's not a million years old. We know that all living things were created in their mature state, and that nothing ever evolved into anything else. We know that God formed Adam from the dust of the earth and Eve from his rib. However, this thread asked why Ken Hamm believes the earth is 6,000 years old, and that question has been answered. Hamm puts his faith in the word of God and not the theories of man. I would think that would be the position of any Christian on the subject. Sadly, the number of Christians who believe in the Scriptures as Christ did is dwindling.
 
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Ham thinks the world is 6k years old because he's a YEC.

I have just been banned from a website of Ken Ham fans. When I joined the group, I didn't know the entire set of rules since it's hidden in their statement of faith, which insists that the world was made 4k years ago in 6-24 hour days. UnAble to support their idiotic views Scripturally, they soon got rid of me. I'm sure the Cult leaders of the site are back to indoctrinating their followers with their religious Lies. Amen?
 
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Satan had to fall before he entered the garden of Eden and Isaiah 12 says that Lucifer was in charge of the earth. I have heard other people say that Universe if 10,000 years old.

The system for defining the age of the earth by way of ancestry is a faulty exercise in numerology
being applied to scripture. Few who have attempted the exercise get the same result twice in a row.
This alone means the tactic is futile and not part of God's message. Next there is the fact that
scripture covers important tenants more than once from different angles, not one scattered mess of numbers.
 
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The universe is in a constant state of decay. It's winding down. It's finite and will have an end. Anything with an end must have a beginning.
There are no scientifically valid theories for the origination of anything.
God can violate natural law but the natural world cannot. There are a lot of theories about the origination of the universe, but I don't know of any credible cosmologist who thinks it didn't have an origination at some point.

You didn't answer the question.

Who said it needs to come from "nothing"?
What does "nothing" even mean?
 
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He can't explain the origination of the earth, either.
If the earth is part of the universe, then you have to know how one came about to date the other.
If you don't have a source for wood, you can't make a chair.

But you don't need to know the age or origin of the tree to know the age of the chair...

Just like we don't need to know the age and origin of the universe to know how old anything inside the universe is.
 
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You didn't answer the question.

Who said it needs to come from "nothing"?
What does "nothing" even mean?

Ben:>>Scripture says:
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

God lives in a world of Light/Energy. 1Ti 6:16 To change such energy into matter should be a simple exercise for the Supreme Intelligence of Creation. Amen? Jesus did the same when He changed air, dust and water BACK into energy when He fashioned the present Universe. Amen?
 
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