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Correct. All such allegations are illogical. I thought the same thing when I read this argument. I would suggest that denying the obviousness of theistic evolution denies the power and wisdom of God who devised it. There is simply no validity to this sort of reasoning.
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I don't see how the earth being 4.54 billion yrs old, the universe being 13.8 billion yrs, and the earth taking a lot longer to form then 6 days, disagrees with the bible and limits God.

If the fact that it took longer then 6 days to create everything limits God, then I could say that because God could have created the world in 6 hrs, or 6 min, or even 6 sec, and it came about in 6 days, is a disgrace to God because he could have created the world much faster. Of course that is a ridiculous argument.

And yes the world was created in 6 days......in the book of genesis. That doesn't mean that the world was ACTUALLY created in 6 days. To believe that you have to assume the genre of the creation story, is that focused on 100% historical accuracy, and that the reference to 6 days, HAS to also reference 6 HISTORICAL days of creation. Though plenty would disagree with you that the focus of the creation story and the 6 days, is not that of historical accuracy but more focused on questions about God, Man, Nature, theological things, instead of being a story focused on historical/scientific truth (which is why there are many references to ancient/incorrect cosmology in the story).
 
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Correct. All such allegations are illogical. I thought the same thing when I read this argument. I would suggest that denying the obviousness of theistic evolution denies the power and wisdom of God who devised it. There is simply no validity to this sort of reasoning.
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Do i need to be validated for believing Gods word.
There is no obvious theistic evolution. There is dinosaurs coexisting with man.
there is carnal worldly based reasoning .
there is a falsehood of the measurement of age
and there is the word of God.

if we cannot believe his word in any part..we declare that he cannot always be trusted.
if we must submit his word under human reason..the we declare human reason as higher then God ,which is idolatry..
Is the word of God true?..i say yes..
theistic evolution says..yes but...
That,is doubt ,that, is unbelief.
 
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This is an interesting link about how the dating methods work, from a christian perspective. Radiometric Dating

And yet for all their science.. dinosaurs walked with men .. Thus dates are still wrong .pages and pages of data explaining how they reach an improvable theory of the age of a rock does not change What God has said .
and to take Gods word literally simply means -to take it for what it says .

God ,time and time again in the scriptures, ask us to journey through the lives of others as they obey him by preforming the scientifically impossible !
God asked/told them to take him at his word -to take him literally as one who "means what he says " as one whose word is worthy of all trust and not to be doubted .(for doubt implies God is a liar )

*hold out the stick in your hand and the waters of an entire land will turn to blood ... in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred

*hold up a serpent on a stick and all who look at it will be healed and wont die ...in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred

*every day for 6 days a week wafer type bread will fall out of the sky to feed the whole nation for 40 years- in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred

*go and wash in the Jordan river 7 times and your leprosy will be healed -in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred

*"stretch out your withered up arm ..". and its made whole again -in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred

* lord if it is you bid me come to you (walking on the water ) and the lord said "come ". and he did and they both walked upon the water -in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred

* to the crippled man "take up thy bed and walk " ..and he did .-in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred.

* in 6 days he formed the earth ... in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred.

mans carnal reasoning can only be imposed over the word of God at the risk of committing intellectual idolatry . he is the God of the impossible for with Him ALL things are possible .
to take things literally actually means .. to "take him at his word " even when we can not possibly see how it can possible be .. it is called faith.

"Except you be converted and become as little children you shall not enter the kingdom of God ."
 
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And yet for all their science.. dinosaurs walked with men

No they did not. They got wiped out around 66 mya before humanity showed up.

And let me ask you a question.

What if you were convinced that the vast majority of people who consider themselves scientists, and most Christians (YEC is a minority in the christian world) are right when it comes to topics of the age of the earth and evolution.

The world is old. Dinosaurs NEVER walked with Man. Humans never came from dirt, but from the natural process of evolution. We are also biologically related to animals.

How would that knowledge affect your christian faith?

And by the way, im not saying miracles don't happen, or that God cant do the impossible. God could create everything in the world in 6 days, but the scientific evidence shows that the world did not come about in that amount of time. God obviously allowed the creation to take longer. I am not doubting God's power.
 
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And yet for all their science.. dinosaurs walked with men .. Thus dates are still wrong .pages and pages of data explaining how they reach an improvable theory of the age of a rock does not change What God has said .
and to take gods word literally simply means -to take it for what it says .

God ,time and time again in the scriptures, ask us to journey through the lives of others as they obey him by preforming the scientifically impossible .God asked/told them to take him at his word -to take him literally as one who "means what he says " as one whose word is worthy of all trust and not to be doubted .(for doubt implies God is a liar )

*hold out the stick in your hand and the waters of an entire land will turn to blood ... in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred

*hold up a serpent on a stick and all who look at it will be healed and wont die ...in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred

*every day for 6 days a week wafer type bread will fall out of the sky to feed the whole nation for 40 years- in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred

*go and wash in the Jordan river 7 times and your leprosy will be healed -in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred

*"stretch out your withered up arm ..". and its made whole again -in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred

* lord if it is you bid me come to you (walking on the water ) and the lord said "come ". and he did and they both walked upon the water -in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred

* to the crippled man "take up thy bed and walk " ..and he did .-in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred.

* in 6 days he formed the earth ... in a literal and scientific sense ,impossible -but it occurred.

mans carnal reasoning can only be imposed over the word of God at the risk of committing intellectual idolatry . he is the God of the impossible for with Him ALL things are possible .
to take things literally actually means .. to "take him at his word " even when we can not possibly see how it can possible be .. it is called faith.

"Except you be converted and become as little children you shall not enter the kingdom of God ."
GAP says it's a literal 6 days of recreation too. Why would God create an earth in the dark (He's Light) on the evening of day one, which it doesn't say. It says He created the heavens and the earth, the whole universe. Then later the sun and moon are created after the earth, makes no sense, GAP explanation makes more sense. On day 6 (Genesis 2) God planted the trees, made everything grow, Adam gave all the animals a name and Eve came, it could happen all in one day, I believe it's possible, but if it turns out that the Hebrew text means it was an area I wouldn't be surprised either. Who cares? It's not a salvation issue. YEC keeps educated people from God, so even if it is true, but noone can show good evidence to seekers, I'm not going to promote it. I know people who were christians and one of the reasons they don't believe anymore is evolution. Either you can show them that YEC is true with evidence which noone can or you just leave it when they think it must be theistic evolution.
 
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GAP says it's a literal 6 days of recreation too. Why would God create an earth in the dark (He's Light) on the evening of day one, which it doesn't say. It says He created the heavens and the earth, the whole universe. Then later the sun and moon are created after the earth, makes no sense, GAP explanation makes more sense. On day 6 (Genesis 2) God planted the trees, made everything grow, Adam gave all the animals a name and Eve came, it could happen all in one day, I believe it's possible, but if it turns out that the Hebrew text means it was an area I wouldn't be surprised either. Who cares? It's not a salvation issue. YEC keeps educated people from God, so even if it is true, but noone can show good evidence to seekers, I'm not going to promote it. I know people who were christians and one of the reasons they don't believe anymore is evolution. Either you can show them that YEC is true with evidence which noone can or you just leave it when they think it must be theistic evolution.

it is not my intent to show "any" theory true ..but to agree with God that HE IS ...
if we say we believe it is possible .. it merely means (between the lines ) we don't believe his word .we aren't ready to take God at his word .
we "have a doubt " it is important to salvation because if when things are so easy we can have such doubt how shall we stand in the storm .. if the foundation of our faith is ,in any part , built upon the sands of carnal reason .then it is an unstable foundation and it will fall when the storm strikes .because the lord also said that .. and that too is true .
there is much dishonesty in the hearts when people speak on such matters .they say on one hand they believe God ..they say with the other they believe mans reasoning -even in the face of the lord saying his ways are higher then ours [we cannot Begin to comprehend him.. but we can believe Him] .they are double minded and thus unstable ..as James states ,in all their ways
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it is the undermining of faith to say "did God really say" .. did he really mean that ?
if we cannot take him at his word then how shall we be saved ? for his same word has said .. who so ever BELIEVES (not doubts ) in me shall not perish but have everlasting life .. but if he does not at all times mean what he says then how can we be sure he meant anything he says .

we believe two things ,then we present a gospel split betwixt mans word and Gods word .. a double minded ,double standard message, causing instability in everything .
to beleive God we must do so even when all factual evidence is oposed becaseu when all factual evidence hass passed away the word of God wil stand true eternally .
facts do not ever define truth for Truth in its very character cannot be changed and facts change to matcgh the truth ,never the other way .

Satan lied to eve ..that is a fact .but the fact is a lie .
thus when we put our faith in the observable "factual evidence " of mere men ..and impose it over and above the word of god ,we display that we do not fully trust Gods word .

thus i promote ..BELIEVE GOD ..take him at his word take him very joyfully seriously and fearfully at his word .

and do not think in any part he jests when he says .."except you be converted and become as little children you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven "

unbelief in any of its many insidious forms ... remains unbelief and will rob us of the promises of God .
 
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some think this thread is only about a stance on differing theories .but no ..it is about the very foundation of faith .. -faith in what God has said .

and it has implications that run eternally deep .for when truth is a straight line ..we must be parallel to it .. if we deviate that angle in any way manner or form .. down the road always we will find ourselves on a course that separates us from that line of truth ever increasingly .. this is what the serpent done with eve when he asked "did god really say ...?

and he did it again when he asked .. "did god really say 6 days?" ... and its has spawned many an atheist on the road to damnation .
i say again ..if we cannot trust God in any part of what he says .. then we will have troubles with the same nagging doubt in anything he says .

so many people struggle to even believe for healing any more ,a simple mainstay of Christian faith, one of the new testaments most common place signs of the truth of the gospel ... this is the resulting effect of doubt no mater how infinitesimal that doubt may "seem " and no mater how well disguised, painted up or self justified ..unbelief at any level ,is still unbelief and it will effect the outworking of the manifestation of the power of God ..
No place in the scripture are we told to doubt gods word as anything but absolute truth .
the dangers of doing so are extremely far reaching . have no part in it .
 
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mans carnal reasoning can only be imposed over the word of God at the risk of committing intellectual idolatry . he is the God of the impossible for with Him ALL things are possible .
to take things literally actually means .. to "take him at his word " even when we can not possibly see how it can possible be .. it is called faith.

don't put any faith in scientific fact.. God is far far far beyond that .
 
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How is evolution obvious from the bible?

and .. Dinosaurs in ancient Cambodian temple- every Christian every where needs to show these images to their children -and all schools .. they have been lied to for too long !

these people ..saw them then draw them in stone ...
it shows 3 things

-the dinosaurs coexisted with men
-science is utterly flawed in its methods of measuring age
-scientist are not being honest about it .(thus cant be trusted )
-the Bible is telling the literal truth
 
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And yes the world was created in 6 days......in the book of genesis. That doesn't mean that the world was ACTUALLY created in 6 days.

Greetings:)

IMO what you are proposing is the great church emptier.

1) Maybe the earth wasn't created in six days {insert your reason to get around what the bible says} as we must take the propaganda I mean the opinion of atheistic scientists and place it on the same level as divine writ

2) Maybe the bible has made an equal mess up of other areas. If it's wrong on the six days maybe it's wrong on the three days Jesus was in the tomb. Afterall the same athiests that are driving you to reject the six literal days don't believe in the three literal days either.

Once you have undermined scriptural authority you have but the eloquence of yourself trying to cobble together two positions that cannot co-exist.

Accept evolution or any of it's baggage like old earth and your church will be gone in three to four generations.

Generation 1 questions the six literal days, generation 2 questions the rest of Genesis and the OT, generation 3 questions the NT and Jesus, generation 4 gone from church. If the bible is wrong on the genesis of everything people will not trust it on the rest.

P.S In Scotland we have many churches and denominations who accepted evolution and the like, starting their journey on the slippery slope. In my grandfather's day they questioned other parts of scripture, in my father's day the churches dwindled away, in my day they've been turned into flats or nightclubs. if you were here I could take you on a walking tour of this city and show you. The only ones thriving believe YEC.

Do not walk away from evolution, gap theory, old earth creation. RUN away from it as fast as your legs will carry you.

God Bless:)
 
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The Gap theory is a term usually used to state the belief there was time between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, on the possibility that the verse is incorrectly translated in English that states the Earth was without form and void, and should be became without form and void, which is a viable translation and can be demonstrated elsewhere in scripture.

What it will do for you is allow an age or ages prior to what would amount to a 6-day re-creation, and for Moses to be accurate when he reiterates the 6-day creation time frame in Exodus 20:8. What it will not do for you is allow millions of years for evolution or for dinosaurs to live millions of years before man. Such things are usually in a theory called "day age" creationism or one of its derivatives, where the Genesis "days" become nebulous and are adapted to be any length of actual time that best fits any personal desires.
 
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Didn't challenge my faith, this is only a 'man's' opinion, and as stated, those are pretty untrustworthy.

Dinosaurs and men coexisted

sure its a topic of a differing type for this forum and it will challenge "faith"

that is to say it will challenge in whom our faith truly stands .

Dinosaurs and men coexisted because it is the premise that they did not which so confuses people into accepting any part of the lie filled theories of evolution .
they question the book of genisis over this issue .
but forget simplistic thigs ..
who told you dinosaurs and men did not coexist upon the earth ?
man did .. and when has man ever been trustworthy ?

have at it , we who claim to believe in the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth .what is the truth of the matter .science has only ever been ambiguiouis at best and bald faced lie at worst .. never can it be trusted .
the word of god has and can not lie .. "for God is not a man that he should lie ..."Him , we can trust - his word is TRUTH .
 
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I'd suggest to those who believe in old earth theory , and the theory that man and dinosaur didn't coexist to listen to Kent Hovind on YouTube.
Yes he has some great material on the topic.
Advance warning : those who seriously do not like the material he presents (due to it not sitting with their intellectual preference) will be quick to raise the point that he is in prison. so lets open that up . he started a theme park on dinosaurs .. its motive was as an outreach for the gospel.
As he considered it a missionary work ,he paid staff in cash and did not file tax correctly .he did not defraud any person nor financially profit from any one. but (as i understand it he was simply very unwise in how he went about things and it ended him in prison . he served 8 yrs so far and his case is ongoing )

This has absolutely nothing to do with the material he shares on the coexistence of dinosaurs and men . a topic that is very unpopular with evolutionists .
 
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who told you dinosaurs and men did not coexist upon the earth ?
man did .. and when has man ever been trustworthy ?


I wish I could find how to quote text!

Obviously man is no someone you can rely on, but God has chosen man to fulfill His plan in the way it is laid out in the Word.

My confidence is certainly not in science. I hear many so-called "facts" and I have to restrain myself in the scientific "speculation".

Evolution fails the scientific method on the first try, so it effectively proves the blindness prevalent in the scientific community.


At the same time, God uses scientists to confirm His testimonies. What's here on the earth IS A testimony to His very existence.

We can trace man's presence on the earth from Adam to the present in a very limited span of history. The earth is much older than that. Yet you KNOW God's Word is true. Like so many passages in the Word that seem to oppose themselves (and don't), there is an understanding.

Imagine how much God could tell us if we were ready for it! Even about our own lives! You would not believe it if it were told to you!


But we've got excellent testimonies from people who have actually seen what happened (Moses for sure!). Kat Kerr said you'll get to see it in a place God made for everyone to see called "Creation Lab". God even showed her how it was (no sun!) and how the enemy came down here and made it where the animals started to eat each other. The earth was built a lot like Heaven. How far away from that are we now?! He froze it (scientists will tell you). He thawed it out and it stood in the water (right there in Genesis).

So much in hidden in the Word. When you read the bit in there about Satan making the world a wasteland, there wasn't the whole story provided. It was HIDDEN in there for a another time. You take a testimony like Kat's and compare it to Genesis, and it fits in there perfectly. It makes everyone who stood by the 6,000 years since Adam faithful to the revelation in the Word. It takes the evidence in the earth continents moved back together into one land mass (just like a puzzle) and that fits in there just as comfortable as what we (and the scientific world that choked on) and everything makes perfect sense.

So if you say man and dinosaurs lived together, that means that what you call "dinosaurs" walked in that 6,000 year period. Maybe some did. The Bible specifically mentions creatures we don't have today (cockatrice, leviathan, etc.), so we know they existed in the time that they were written. They sound like creatures that were corrupted.

Kat says that all the animals used to talk and didn't eat one another. It's that way in Heaven right now.

He once said prophetically that plants like poison ivy are evidence of the enemy corrupting things on the earth. I would expect marijuana and other psychedelics to fall under the same category (although many adherents like to credit "god" for them).

According to Kat, the only creatures on the earth that resembled man before the Ice Age were angels that had flesh on them. Apart from that, it's all taken place in the last 6,00 years or so.

Just think of what might be told us if we were ready to receive it! As it is, many choke on what's given to us today by the same God that revealed things in Biblical times (through men and women).
 
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