Blackjack and Design

What applies to the blackjack anecdote?

  • The two hands were a natural occurrence.

  • There was a designer that somehow influenced the outcome.

  • God did it.

  • Some sort of cheese related explanation.....


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Once while playing blackjack, I was dealt a pair of aces in a row. On both hands, I split the aces and was dealt a face card on each ace resulting in four blackjacks two at a time.There were multiple players at the table so calculating the odds would require a bit of time and memory. Suffice it to say, the odds of this happening are quite low. Now obviously before this, the dealer shuffled the cards and had dealt out several hands before this occurred. If we were to intricately examine the dealer shuffling and were able to count the cards as they came out we could easily see the process that led to my two lucky hands.

The above anecdote was accomplished through natural means. The dealer shuffled, cards were dealt, I got my hands.

Is there any reason to include an element of design in this scenario? In my opinion, no. It is a superfluous element since we already know or could possibly know the process of how the hands came about.

If you think that design is required in any of this, explain why.

If you don't understand blackjack, then don't even try to explain anything.
 

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Once while playing blackjack, I was dealt a pair of aces in a row. On both hands, I split the aces and was dealt a face card on each ace resulting in four blackjacks two at a time.There were multiple players at the table so calculating the odds would require a bit of time and memory. Suffice it to say, the odds of this happening are quite low. Now obviously before this, the dealer shuffled the cards and had dealt out several hands before this occurred. If we were to intricately examine the dealer shuffling and were able to count the cards as they came out we could easily see the process that led to my two lucky hands.

The above anecdote was accomplished through natural means. The dealer shuffled, cards were dealt, I got my hands.

Is there any reason to include an element of design in this scenario? In my opinion, no. It is a superfluous element since we already know or could possibly know the process of how the hands came about.

If you think that design is required in any of this, explain why.

If you don't understand blackjack, then don't even try to explain anything.

Did your dealer look like George Burns, with a fishing hat on?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1PM_UwJQS4
 
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Once while playing blackjack, I was dealt a pair of aces in a row. On both hands, I split the aces and was dealt a face card on each ace resulting in four blackjacks two at a time.
I voted the two hands were a natural occurrence.
 
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Initial hand: AA
The odds of you getting a pair of Aces on the first two cards are the same odds as you getting a 4 of Clubs and a 2 of Diamonds.

In other words, they are the same odds as you getting any two cards, are they not?
 
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I voted natural occurrence. Now are you going to tell us that incredible things happen all the time so there is no need to evoke God in anything?

I'm saying the above illustrates a complex process that can be measured and understood without invoking a designer.
 
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I'm saying the above illustrates a complex process that can be measured and understood without invoking a designer.
Nope.

If you want it to be complex, predict you'll be dealt two aces (and their suits) before the dealer deals.
 
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The odds of you getting a pair of Aces on the first two cards are the same odds as you getting a 4 of Clubs and a 2 of Diamonds.

In other words, they are the same odds as you getting any two cards, are they not?

I know nothing about cards but I do know there are only 4 aces in a pack, which means there are 48 other cards.
The first part of your answer is off because there are 4 aces and only one 4 of clubs and one 2 of diamonds, you are also completely wrong in the second part.
 
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I'm saying the above illustrates a complex process that can be measured and understood without invoking a designer.

If you are equating a card game to a complex process then it is understandable how one can assume no designer.
 
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I know nothing about cards but I do know there are only 4 aces in a pack, which means there are 48 other cards.
The first part of your answer is off because there are 4 aces and only one 4 of clubs and one 2 of diamonds, you are also completely wrong in the second part.

The odds of being dealt an Ace of Spades and an Ace of Clubs (in that order) are 1 in 2652 (1:52 x 1:51 = 1:2652).

The same odds as being dealt a Four of Clubs and a Two of Diamonds (in that order).
 
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I voted natural occurrence. Now are you going to tell us that incredible things happen all the time so there is no need to evoke God in anything?
There is the same need to invoke a God as there is to invoke any mythical being, no need at all, however if it makes you feel better......
 
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The odds of you getting a pair of Aces on the first two cards are the same odds as you getting a 4 of Clubs and a 2 of Diamonds.

I know nothing about cards but I do know there are only 4 aces in a pack, which means there are 48 other cards.
The first part of your answer is off because there are 4 aces and only one 4 of clubs and one 2 of diamonds, you are also completely wrong in the second part.

The odds of being dealt an Ace of Spades and an Ace of Clubs (in that order) are 1 in 2652 (1:52 x 1:51 = 1:2652).

The same odds as being dealt a Four of Clubs and a Two of Diamonds (in that order).

As you can see you said "a pair of Aces ", you said nothing about the suits, there are 4 aces.
 
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As you can see you said "a pair of Aces ", you said nothing about the suits, there are 4 aces.

Sandy, I'm holding a deck of cards in my hand.

I'm about to turn one up.

What are the odds that that card is going to be an Ace of Clubs?

1 in 52, is it not?

Now, assuming I turn an Ace of Clubs up, what now are the odds that the next card is going to be the Ace of Spades?

1 in 51, is it not?

1 in 52 times 1 in 51 equal 1 in 2652.

Now ... let's forget the suit.

I'm holding a deck of cards.

What are the odds that the first card will be a black Ace?

2 in 52 ... or 1 in 26 ... is it not?

Assuming that happens, now what are the odds that the next card will be the other black Ace?

1 in 51, is it not?

1 in 26 times 1 in 51 equal 1 in 1326.
 
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