Swapping genderswapping

Gadarene

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There's a much more obvious title I could have used here, but I do want people to click on the thread.

(Have a read of the OP and try and guess to see which title I could have gone for ;) )

So one of the things I do remember picking up from a feminist writer online that I actually found very useful (as opposed to the usual litany of tripe they often come up with) was the notion of gender (and race) swapping pieces of writing, or statements.

If you flipped the gender of a statement about "women" or "black people" to "men" or "white people" respectively, and it sounded like an unfair generalisation or a stereotype, then it was a suggestion that you were being sexist/racist.

There's a rather interesting new subreddit called /r/menkampf - and they've been doing some entertaining experiments with this notion of swapping terms out.

In short, they swap terms like "men" or "cismen" to "Jews", and terms like "women" to "Aryans".

The results are rather interesting.

As an example:

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This is not dredged up from some random tumblrite either, this is the swapped form of an excerpt from this article by feminist journalist Jessica Valenti.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/13/feminists-do-not-hate-men

Note: Some of the swaps don't scan brilliantly, that's because it's being done by a recently developed plugin. Oh, and the Firefox version was censored off their plugin marketplace, because people got offended, the usual nonsense.

Mozilla approves Nazi-themed, anti-feminism Firefox extension [Update]


Isn't it kind of a problem that the attitudes espoused by some quite noteworthy feminists in the public are virtually indistinguishable from some other quite nasty prejudices?

(Oh, and to anyone still playing, the obvious choice of title here would be "Feminazis". This is one of the few times I think the term actually vaguely applies ^_^ )
 

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Yeah, I remember in history class when WWII started because Hitler and his followers took to wearing shirts saying how Jew tears were delicious. Truly a crime against humanity.

You don't think dehumanising a group by mocking their sadness is a problem? Interesting.

I suppose I should nip this one in the bud pre-emptively, because you lot do love to make this mistake all the time, assuming it is a mistake and not deliberate obtuseness.

Read veeeery carefully now, m'kay? :wave:

I'm not saying that the consequences of these attitudes are the same. I'm saying that they are the same attitudes at root, and that is a problem - negatively generalising an entire group and de-individualising them. Often to blame them for a problem your group faces.
 
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Nice Godwin

Pick any other prejudiced group you like. The attitudes there are still harmful, and still the same as the ones many feminists fall prey to. And it is absolutely baffling why people continue to trust a movement that thinks it can create an equal society while not challenging these attitudes in its own movement.

There are most assuredly differences between the Nazis and feminists. Nazis didn't to my knowledge espouse these attitudes while claiming to be seeking equality for all.
 
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Lol, that's great.

I like it when people swap men with black men.

I do worry about the younger generation.

Boys who are now going through kindergarten and elementary school. Having teachers who have tumblr blogs full of misandry and hate.

Honestly there should be a campaign to track these blogs down and report them to the school administer. Let's start showing our own outrage.
 
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There's another good one out there, "Stormfront or Social Justice Warrior" you are given a phrase and you have to decide whether it comes from a SJW or a Stormfronter.

It's disturbingly difficult to pick the right answer sometime, but not surprisingly difficult.
 
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A reader comment after the article:

"Upper Middle Class men and women are in power, the women often behind the scenes, but very effectively. Working class men and women are both opressed. The "enemy" is not men, it is the powerful elite who care only about themselves. I can't stand overpriviledged selfish rich women who pretend to be "feminist" when they want to moan that they are not receiving as many millions as their overpriviledged male friends and should all be CEOs, when the rest of us struggle to even get a job." (emphasis mine)
 
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I don't know if that's true.



I agree, but what's your point?

If you belong to a hate group no matter your actions you will get painted into the same corner along with the rest of them.
 
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Not all feminists are like that. :)

Are they really feminists?

To my thinking if you are NOT saying that humanity needs to eliminate men PERIOD, you are not truly a feminist.

"A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."
 
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If you belong to a hate group no matter your actions you will get painted into the same corner along with the rest of them.

Do you think all feminists are part of a hate group?

Are they really feminists?

To my thinking if you are NOT saying that humanity needs to eliminate men PERIOD, you are not truly a feminist.

"A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."

I think that's quite an extreme understanding of feminism. Feminism can just mean being in favour of female equality, liberty, and fair treatment.

I suppose I'm a feminist, but I'm not against the idea of men's rights.
 
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Do you think all feminists are part of a hate group?
Of course not, but why would you want to be part of a group where such behaviour is considered acceptable?


I think that's quite an extreme understanding of feminism. Feminism can just mean being in favour of female equality, liberty, and fair treatment.

I suppose I'm a feminist, but I'm not against the idea of men's rights.
Sounds like you are an egalitarian.
 
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