Church History

[Harbingr]

Wasn't Tertullian the author of the Trinity ideology?

Anyway, a good deal of people were considered heretics or some other such thing before later being canonized, ironically, as saints.
It's just an odd fact of Church history.

 

[Standing Up]

Wasn't Tertullian the author of the Trinity ideology?

Anyway, a good deal of people were considered heretics or some other such thing before later being canonized, ironically, as saints.
It's just an odd fact of Church history.

True enough. Rome doesn't like Tertullian for reasons far beyond whatever Montanism may have been.

 

[Rick Otto]

Or when Believe Tertullian is on the up and up with Rome nowadays.

When in Rome...


...walk like an Egyptian.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Wasn't Tertullian the author of the Trinity ideology?

Anyway, a good deal of people were considered heretics or some other such thing before later being canonized, ironically, as saints.
It's just an odd fact of Church history.

AFAIK, Tertullian has not been canonized...

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I am looking for info on Church History, from the time of Christ's resurrection until now. Such things as how the churches have changed through the centuries. There is the Reformation Movement, Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement and Emergent Movement.

Interests are why they changed, where the denominations came from, such as Baptists, etc. Looking for charts, books, websites with good info.

Also looking for charts and info on the bible translations and why they changed through the centuries as well.

Came across this rather fascinating chart as of late and really enjoyed it for the extent of depth it had:

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[BobRyan]

I am looking for info on Church History, from the time of Christ's resurrection until now. Such things as how the churches have changed through the centuries. There is the Reformation Movement, Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement and Emergent Movement.

Interests are why they changed, where the denominations came from, such as Baptists, etc. Looking for charts, books, websites with good info.

Also looking for charts and info on the bible translations and why they changed through the centuries as well.

You will also see this thread in the Messianic section as well. I am trying to gain info on both sides of the coin. Looking on Messianic as well as the Christian perspective.

No debates please.

Moriah Ruth

Very good book on the full sweep of church history --from the fall of Jerusalem to the future.

Online Books: The Great Controversy

Some chapter links -- titles.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]v[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Destruction of Jerusalem[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]17[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Persecution in the First Centuries[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]39[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]An Era of Spiritual Darkness[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]49[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]4[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Waldenses[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]61[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]5[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]John Wycliffe[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]79[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]6[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Huss and Jerome[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]97[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]7[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Luther's Separation From Rome[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]120[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]8[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Luther Before the Diet[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]145[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]9[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Swiss Reformer[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]171[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]10[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Progress of Reform in Germany[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]185[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]11[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Protest of the Princes[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]197[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]12[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The French Reformation[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]211[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]13[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Netherlands and Scandinavia[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]237[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]14[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Later English Reformers[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]245[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]15[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Bible and the French Revolution[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]265[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]16[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Pilgrim Fathers [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]289[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]17[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Heralds of the Morning[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]299[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]18[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]An American Reformer[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]317[/FONT]​

 

[prodromos]

Very good book on the full sweep of church history --from the fall of Jerusalem to the future.

Online Books: The Great Controversy

From the looks of it, this 'very good book' completely missed the existence of the Orthodox Church. That's a huge chunk of the 'full sweep' of church history to be missing.

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

From the looks of it, this 'very good book' completely missed the existence of the Orthodox Church. That's a huge chunk of the 'full sweep' of church history to be missing.

Yeah, lets go with these instead:

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Very good book on the full sweep of church history --from the fall of Jerusalem to the future.

Online Books: The Great Controversy

Some chapter links -- titles.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]v[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Destruction of Jerusalem[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]17[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Persecution in the First Centuries[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]39[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]An Era of Spiritual Darkness[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]49[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]4[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Waldenses[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]61[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]5[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]John Wycliffe[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]79[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]6[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Huss and Jerome[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]97[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]7[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Luther's Separation From Rome[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]120[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]8[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Luther Before the Diet[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]145[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]9[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Swiss Reformer[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]171[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]10[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Progress of Reform in Germany[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]185[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]11[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Protest of the Princes[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]197[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]12[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The French Reformation[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]211[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]13[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Netherlands and Scandinavia[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]237[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]14[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Later English Reformers[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]245[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]15[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Bible and the French Revolution[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]265[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]16[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Pilgrim Fathers [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]289[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]17[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Heralds of the Morning[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]299[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]18[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]An American Reformer[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]317[/FONT]​

Here are some fun words that do not appear in Chapter 2: Nicaea. Chalcedon. Monks. Monasteries. Charlemagne. Crusades. Thomas Aquinas. This is not even close to a history.

Instead, in addition to the three books above, I recommend:

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Harbingr

Wasn't Tertullian the author of the Trinity ideology?

Anyway, a good deal of people were considered heretics or some other such thing before later being canonized, ironically, as saints.
It's just an odd fact of Church history.
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AFAIK, Tertullian has not been canonized...

Would make for an interesting thread.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7736286/
How influential was Tertullian in early Christianity?

How does Christianity view Turtillian and his teachings and writings?
I myself know little about him, but he seems to have been a fairly influential Christian back in his time.
Quote from a another thread:

Originally Posted by Standing Up

They don't like Tertullian for a number of reasons. He was against, for example, the ever-virgin myth. He was against the church-of-bishops, rather than of the Spirit. (IMO, the montanist idea used against him was actually reversed against him. the others followed tradition, rather than scripture. they didn't like his 'rule of faith'. but haven't the time to expand this research.)

He also taught that if you taught "the same as apostles", you were apostolic, rather than as apostolic succession came to be redefined later as sacerdotal lineage of physical bishops.

Another reason they reject Tertullian was he taught the bread was a symbol, rather than what the priest/sacrifice "requires"- real flesh/blood.

CatholicEncyclopedia on this:
Tertullian's doctrine of the Holy Eucharist has been much discussed, especially the words: "Acceptum panem et distributum discipulis corpus suum illum fecit, hoc est corpus meum dicendo, id est, figura corporis mei". A consideration of the context shows only one interpretation to be possible.

Tertullian is proving that Our Lord Himself explained bread in Jeremiah 11:19 (mittamus lignum in panem ejus) to refer to His Body, when He said, "This is My Body", that is, that bread was the symbol of His Body. Nothing can be elicited either for or against the Real Presence; for Tertullian does not explain whether the bread is the symbol of the Body present or absent. The context suggests the former meaning. Another passage is: Panem, quo ipsum corpus suum repraesentat. This might mean "Bread which stands for His Body", or "Presents, makes present".
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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Harbingr

Wasn't Tertullian the author of the Trinity ideology?

Anyway, a good deal of people were considered heretics or some other such thing before later being canonized, ironically, as saints.
It's just an odd fact of Church history.
​

AFAIK, Tertullian has not been canonized...

Would make for an interesting thread.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7736286/
How influential was Tertullian in early Christianity?


How does Christianity view Turtillian and his teachings and writings?
I myself know little about him, but he seems to have been a fairly influential Christian back in his time.
Quote from a another thread:

Originally Posted by Standing Up

They don't like Tertullian for a number of reasons. He was against, for example, the ever-virgin myth. He was against the church-of-bishops, rather than of the Spirit. (IMO, the montanist idea used against him was actually reversed against him. the others followed tradition, rather than scripture. they didn't like his 'rule of faith'. but haven't the time to expand this research.)

He also taught that if you taught "the same as apostles", you were apostolic, rather than as apostolic succession came to be redefined later as sacerdotal lineage of physical bishops.

Another reason they reject Tertullian was he taught the bread was a symbol, rather than what the priest/sacrifice "requires"- real flesh/blood.

CatholicEncyclopedia on this:
Tertullian's doctrine of the Holy Eucharist has been much discussed, especially the words: "Acceptum panem et distributum discipulis corpus suum illum fecit, hoc est corpus meum dicendo, id est, figura corporis mei". A consideration of the context shows only one interpretation to be possible.

Tertullian is proving that Our Lord Himself explained bread in Jeremiah 11:19 (mittamus lignum in panem ejus) to refer to His Body, when He said, "This is My Body", that is, that bread was the symbol of His Body. Nothing can be elicited either for or against the Real Presence; for Tertullian does not explain whether the bread is the symbol of the Body present or absent. The context suggests the former meaning. Another passage is: Panem, quo ipsum corpus suum repraesentat. This might mean "Bread which stands for His Body", or "Presents, makes present".
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Originally Posted by pathfinder777

I agree he was a great theologian and defender of the faith until falling into Montanism. I'm curious regarding the Trinity doctrine, where do you see it always being taught before Tertullian. I see it in incipient form within the NT but far from what we have defined in the fourth century. There were many within the Church that even rejected Tertullian's views on the Trinity until later when they were vindicated. Can you point me to some sources that "always taught" the doctrine of the Trinity. I'm not questioning the orthodoxy of the doctrine but I am curious where and by whom it was always taught before Tertullian.

In Christ
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[Rick Otto]

Thanks, sarge. That was interesting.
I was wondering how Bob's link were received by our thread starter here.
I was thinking of visiting her page to ask how her query was going.

 

[The Outlier]

I am currently reading "On This Day in Christian History" by Robert Morgan. It is a pretty un-biased source. Both Catholics and Protestants are the daily heroes of this book.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

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Instead, in addition to the three books above, I recommend:

Very good reads, especially "The Barbarian Conversion"

 

[Rick Otto]

I especially liked Richard Fletcher's book, "The Barbarian Conversion".

 

[Gez77]

Just to add to this already amazing list, one book that I keep taking out of my public library (woollahra Lib, Sydney), and covers all the controversies, events and martyrdoms century by century from the C2nd AD to the present; has beautiful illustrations, is for anyone (except children-graphic martyrdoms) and is purely facts and very neutral and objective in its narratives; is The Compact Guide to Christian History / by Stephen Backhouse.— 1st ed.— Oxford : Lion Hudson plc, c2011.— (a Lions Book series). distributors (if cannot find it in your libraries) UK—Marston Book Services, PO Box 269, Abingdon, Oxon, OX14 4YN; USA—1) Trafalgar Square Publishing, 814 N Franklin Street, Chicargo, IL 606 10, 2) Christian Market: Kregel Publications, PO Box 2607, Grand rapids, MI 49501 [in-book-pub-info]. I guarantee you will not be able to put it down, it is fascinating the evolution, spiritual battles and thoughts that occurred in Christianities history. I hope this will make your journey more enriched, as the key to it all is finding Gods depth of his Love. From a person who always seeks and is a sponge for good knowledge. Gez77

 

[Gez77]

sorry forgot to give the unique ISBN (13) 978-0-7459-5506-3 (pbk)
and publishers website www.lionhudson.com— gez77