The Erosion of truth is now upon us....

[Norah63]

Saw this online today....
"A revival always includes conviction of sin on the part of thechurch.... Backslidden Christians will be brought to repentance.A revival of God is nothing else than a a new beginning ofobedience to God."-Charles Finney

 

[Norah63]

Is the real difference of opinion universalism?
just reading along, this comes to mind.
As some Christians call for a revival of right living.
While others call out that it was finished at the cross for all mankind.

 

[gideons300]

Devil-centered theology.

How does God work?

And you continue to evade the question: are you righteous or not?

Brother, of course I am righteous, just as any are who are His. Here is the question though. When we fall into temptation, do we stand in that righteousness and resist, steadfast in that truth? When satan accuses or tempts us, is that shield of faith that we are no longer who we were, just sinners saved by grace, up? Is our positional righteousness just a mental thing to us or have we, by faith, grabbed hold of it as the truth for us? is it OUR truth? Do we truly believe that old things are passed away and all things have become new? Do we believe that truth to such an extent that no matter the temptation, we can stand and not fall? That is what God is offering us...eternal eyes and an overcomers nature.

That is what truth is for. And if we hold fast to that truth, and stand in that truth, refusing to let go, refusing to look back at us and OUR weakness, God promises to keep us, and bring us through the temptation without falling to it...every time. Andry, I so want you to get what I am saying.

Paul said in Romans 6 that we are to KNOW two things. When Christ died, so did our old rebellious, self-run temporal nature. When Christ rose from the dead, He brought us up with Him as new creatures, with new natures, righteous and holy ones. We are to be given eternal eyes, a heavenly perspective. Right?

This was a REAL transaction. BUT, now our God asks us to do something. He urges us us, in order to make this glorious truth work, to receive it. We must combine what we know as truth with OUR TESTIMONY. We must appropriate it as ours. We must put it one, after we put off our old one. We must step out in faith and embrace our new nature as who we really are and confess that is now us, and that sin has no power over us any longer. THAT real. And when we do, it WILL work. This is what Paul means by "Therefore, reckon yourself dead unto sin and alive unto God." And it is this missing step that is about to revolutionize His church and turn us into an army of love driven overcomers. All of us.

All I am trying to do is to open up eyes to the last step, that we can...we must... PUT ON our new nature which CAN overcome, no matter how weak we are. This is the awakening God is bringing about, and when we do this, we are lighting our lamps, confessing we are strangers and pilgrims here. We are no longer temporal beings, but eternal ones, praise God and we find we are all of a sudden eternity minded and not locked into a mindset, a perspective of our old nature, earthly mindedness. The light is about to come on for us and we are about to be amazed.

Many blessings,

Gids

 

[gideons300]

Is the real difference of opinion universalism?
just reading along, this comes to mind.
As some Christians call for a revival of right living.
While others call out that it was finished at the cross for all mankind.

Norah, you have quietly become one of my favorite posters. Like me, you are a person of few words. But you always seem to have a perspective on issues that is genuine and godly, and very on point.

On your question here, I really do not think it leads to universalism, but the danger is that grace can be turned into something completely different. Yes, sin matters and yes, broken hearts and seeking God with our whole hearts is what moves God to respond. It has been that way in every great move of God down through the ages. Is revival needed? As a whole and in our own hearts? Yes. We just cannot yet see how desperately we need it.... yet.

The danger I see in the current "alteration" of the gospel is that we are no longer warned about the dangers of sin, and that it can indeed harden hearts and erode faith. Satan is wise. He sneaks into our theology a little at a time.

Think for a minute. If someone claimed out of the blue that God wanted us all to be rich and drive Cadillacs, etc., they would be called out in a heartbeat. But it started "innocently".

"May you prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers."

The only error there was assuming that to "prosper" was to have money. A small lie. HUGE implications. But that was simply the first tweaking of truth, and it led to another and another until now we have the confess it, possess it craze and lots of once good believers have fallen into the lie and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

The Bible may say and even clearly warn that in the last days, there will come those supposing that gain is godliness, and that we are to withdraw ourselves from those who do, for we brought nothing into the world and can take nothing out. So with food and clothing be content. Pretty darned clear, amen? But once the small lie is accepted, a bigger and bigger one can be swallowed. Sin, if not exposed, repented of and forsaken, hardens our hearts and opens us up for even bigger lies.

In the same way, once we accept OSAS as truth, sin is a non issue, and who needs brokenness, we have the deeper revelation of grace. Revival, HA! Repentance? Not necessary. That is working for your salvation. It is sliding down a slippery slope, and one wonders where it will all end.

Thank you for your many well timed and spot on comments. You are loved.

Gids

 

[Svt4Him]

People who agree with us always appear more godly.

Hahaha.

Christ in me is my hope of glory, not my works. And I now believe in OSAS, as nothing is able to seperate me from God's love. Once you accept that where there is sin grace abounds, you simply are accepting the Bible that one claims to believe.

 

[Alithis]

Saw this online today....
"A revival always includes conviction of sin on the part of thechurch.... Backslidden Christians will be brought to repentance.A revival of God is nothing else than a a new beginning ofobedience to God."-Charles Finney

.. sadly not all but any reviving of our hearts toward god, any re-exciting of our being into renewed love passion and obedience ..is a good thing

 

[Andry]

Brother, of course I am righteous, just as any are who are His. Here is the question though. When we fall into temptation, do we stand in that righteousness and resist, steadfast in that truth? When satan accuses or tempts us, is that shield of faith that we are no longer who we were, just sinners saved by grace, up? Is our positional righteousness just a mental thing to us or have we, by faith, grabbed hold of it as the truth for us? is it OUR truth? Do we truly believe that old things are passed away and all things have become new? Do we believe that truth to such an extent that no matter the temptation, we can stand and not fall? That is what God is offering us...eternal eyes and an overcomers nature.

That is what truth is for. And if we hold fast to that truth, and stand in that truth, refusing to let go, refusing to look back at us and OUR weakness, God promises to keep us, and bring us through the temptation without falling to it...every time. Andry, I so want you to get what I am saying.

Paul said in Romans 6 that we are to KNOW two things. When Christ died, so did our old rebellious, self-run temporal nature. When Christ rose from the dead, He brought us up with Him as new creatures, with new natures, righteous and holy ones. We are to be given eternal eyes, a heavenly perspective. Right?

This was a REAL transaction. BUT, now our God asks us to do something. He urges us us, in order to make this glorious truth work, to receive it. We must combine what we know as truth with OUR TESTIMONY. We must appropriate it as ours. We must put it one, after we put off our old one. We must step out in faith and embrace our new nature as who we really are and confess that is now us, and that sin has no power over us any longer. THAT real. And when we do, it WILL work. This is what Paul means by "Therefore, reckon yourself dead unto sin and alive unto God." And it is this missing step that is about to revolutionize His church and turn us into an army of love driven overcomers. All of us.

All I am trying to do is to open up eyes to the last step, that we can...we must... PUT ON our new nature which CAN overcome, no matter how weak we are. This is the awakening God is bringing about, and when we do this, we are lighting our lamps, confessing we are strangers and pilgrims here. We are no longer temporal beings, but eternal ones, praise God and we find we are all of a sudden eternity minded and not locked into a mindset, a perspective of our old nature, earthly mindedness. The light is about to come on for us and we are about to be amazed.

Many blessings,

Gids

Gids, with respect, you don't get it. It's a devil-centered theology because your focus is on the devil doing stuff to you, versus what God has done and is doing for you. Your position is reacting to the devil, which is a curve ball to your primary purpose in this present world. So I might suggest that the struggle you paint is your struggle still, as others here have indicated that in this subforum, your either preaching to the choir, or it's just an empty gong.

(You've not responded to an older thread about the first shedding of blood which addresses your misunderstanding about the primary purpose of the cross.)

 

[gideons300]

Gids, with respect, you don't get it. It's a devil-centered theology because your focus is on the devil doing stuff to you, versus what God has done and is doing for you. Your position is reacting to the devil, which is a curve ball to your primary purpose in this present world. So I might suggest that the struggle you paint is your struggle still, as others here have indicated that in this subforum, your either preaching to the choir, or it's just an empty gong.

(You've not responded to an older thread about the first shedding of blood which addresses your misunderstanding about the primary purpose of the cross.)

I do struggle, but just not in the way you want to think. I struggle with a Christian mentality that wants to rest content without godly hearts. Some people awake easily, others want to sleep in.

When a lion has someone pinned down, is it even logical to tell them, Do not talk about the lion" as if that will make him decide to go away? In order to discover the Jesus that can transform us into overcomers that can stare down the devil when he attacks, and he WILL attack, talked about or not, the first thing we need to do is admit to ourselves that he has been kicking our butts.

Not mentioning sin and the devil is of absolutely no benefit in making it go away. Putting on the new natures our Jesus provides is our only hope. The hitch is, we have to really become tired of our old ones that seem to cooperate with him more than resisting him. And that, brother, is where the struggle is right now. God showed me how to do that and to share it. So, I do.

As to your last comment, once you mentioned the "law of first being mentioned", I simply moved on. If, however, you think it important and it can awake a sleeping bride to live for their master in a deeper and more authentic way, I think it would be great if you started a post on it.

I love you brother,

Gids

 

[Norah63]

"The nature of Christ's salvation is woefully misrepresented by the present-day evangelist. He announces a Saviour from hell rather than a Saviour from sin. And that is why so many are fatally deceived, for there are multitudes who wish to escape the Lake of fire who have no desire to be delivered from their carnality and worldliness."-A. W. Pink

What kind of preaching do we want to hear? A life hid in Christ fears no preacher!

 

[gideons300]

As we discuss the erosion of truth in these latter days, and consider the many godly men who came before us, I suspect that most if not all could never have foreseen the day when repentance, diligence, sin and revival would be dirty words and "working for our salvation".

Just as we were warned, grace is being transformed into lasciviousness. The good news is that God is also starting to open up our eyes to "the exceeding greatness of His power to us ward who believe".

Blessings,

Gideon

 

[jiminpa]

We are headed to the valley of decision, and there will be BOTH a great falling away and a great awakening of the saints. ...

I mentioned to God about why so many people I love are going through so much, heart rending things, divorce, cancer, psychosis, literal demonic attacks on children, and He showed me that we are shaken in these things, but holding on to Him. The Bible and human nature lead me to believe that not everyone shaken will hold on. Yes, I do believe that decision time is upon us.

 

[Svt4Him]

I mentioned to God about why so many people I love are going through so much, heart rending things, divorce, cancer, psychosis, literal demonic attacks on children, and He showed me that we are shaken in these things, but holding on to Him. The Bible and human nature lead me to believe that not everyone shaken will hold on. Yes, I do believe that decision time is upon us.

That's called, in a word, life. From the moment we are born we start losing things. For the first 20 years though what we gain overshadows the losses. We lose our health, our hearing, our sight, our friends...and eventually our life. The older we get the more heaven calls, as we have family and friends and a desire to see God.

During hard times people either run to the cross or from it. But that has always been going on and is even addressed by Paul where he said he was not happy for hard times but he rejoiced that the people ran to God.

It's not a new thing.

 

[Svt4Him]

As we discuss the erosion of truth in these latter days, and consider the many godly men who came before us, I suspect that most if not all could never have foreseen the day when repentance, diligence, sin and revival would be dirty words and "working for our salvation".

Just as we were warned, grace is being transformed into lasciviousness. The good news is that God is also starting to open up our eyes to "the exceeding greatness of His power to us ward who believe".

Blessings,

Gideon

Again Gids, you're mistaken. So since you make the claim, please show me just one place where anyone ever said repentance was a dirty word, just one. Sin? Revival? Diligence? Just one place for any of those words.

 

[gideons300]

Again Gids, you're mistaken. So since you make the claim, please show me just one place where anyone ever said repentance was a dirty word, just one. Sin? Revival? Diligence? Just one place for any of those words.

It has been well documented in past posts that some teach that repentance and revival are not needed because of grace. It has also been said that to talk about sin or the devil and our need to resist him steadfast in the faith is being "sin conscious" and a "devil centered theology". I know, LOL, for it has been said to me.

I am not going to go back and dig up individual times that these have been said but the jist of my proposition stands. Anyone who is a regular reader of the posts in this sub-forum know exactly what I mean and I suspect will back up my claim.

The erosion of things that we have thought and were taught was the bedrock of our Christian faith... fundamentals...non-negotiables, are now simply thought of by some as "optional" but nice., of course. However, if one sins willfully, never repents, and yet twenty years ago said the prayer that "accepted Jesus into his life", somehow, that man can still have total confidence that he will hear "Well done, though good and faithful servant" is ludicrous. Yet some are saying that exact thing. The truth is eroding. Whether or not some agree that it is has nothing to do with the fact that it is.

Blessings,

Gideon

 

[Svt4Him]

Oh to focus on sin constantly is like sitting on the toilet all day waiting to get rid of the bad stuff.

But I still don't see where repentance is once called a dirty word, so instead of explaining it, just show me once where that was ever said.

 

[FoundInGrace]

That's called, in a word, life. From the moment we are born we start losing things. For the first 20 years though what we gain overshadows the losses. We lose our health, our hearing, our sight, our friends...and eventually our life. The older we get the more heaven calls, as we have family and friends and a desire to see God.

During hard times people either run to the cross or from it. But that has always been going on and is even addressed by Paul where he said he was not happy for hard times but he rejoiced that the people ran to God.

It's not a new thing.

Thats what I thought - isnt that just life anyway....its not a new thing.. eg. consider it pure joy my brothers whenever you face trials of many different kinds etc etc..

 

[jiminpa]

That's called, in a word, life. From the moment we are born we start losing things. For the first 20 years though what we gain overshadows the losses. We lose our health, our hearing, our sight, our friends...and eventually our life. The older we get the more heaven calls, as we have family and friends and a desire to see God.

During hard times people either run to the cross or from it. But that has always been going on and is even addressed by Paul where he said he was not happy for hard times but he rejoiced that the people ran to God.

It's not a new thing.

This seems way more intense than it used to be. I could be wrong.

 

[probinson]

Oh to focus on sin constantly is like sitting on the toilet all day waiting to get rid of the bad stuff.

Then why do you continually do it?

This is a sincere question. If you believe this is a huge waste of time and arguments about the law are pointless and you believe that all of these threads are just arguments about the law, then why are you posting in this thread and contributing to its preeminence on the forum?

Personally I make it a point to not participate in things that I truly believe are a waste of time, so I don't understand this strange dynamic where people waste their time talking about things they believe are a waste of their time...

 

[Frogster]

nm...

 

[lismore]

If scripture is taken out of it's context it can be manipulated to say almost anything.

for example:

Then he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)


“You go, and do likewise.” (Luke 10:37)