Sin can not take away your salvation.

[lismore]

the name Yeshua means YHWH's Salvation .. if that helps .

 

[yesyoushould]

Rejoicing in sin, as the scripture says, isn't of God.

 

[Frogster]

Rejoicing in sin, as the scripture says, isn't of God.

I think most would agree with you.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Sin can not take away your salvation.

TRUE - However, SIN can (and will) break your communion with Father through the Holy SPirit, and since your FAITH, in order to be "Living" faith, depends on that communion, the effect of unrepented SIN if left unchecked will in a short time cause your "Living FAITH" - to degenerate into the fading memory of HAVING HAD "Living faith" - Once, and your descent into the Thorns will CHOKE OUT your faith and your relationship with father.

In time there'll be nothing and since salvation is by FAITH - then when the "FAITH" is gone - what's your status, and on what basis would you claim "Salvation".

 

[Messy]

Sin is like rags in a flash light, the light can't shine when you don't take it out of it and a dollar biljet in a flash light can prevent it from shining too, for those who didn't watch the Corrie ten Boom movie I posted.

 

[Viren]

This going to make some people uncomfortable and I apologize. But I am a non-practicing homosexual with strong emotional and physical desires to be with a man. And I struggle with lustful thoughts everyday. People tell me to just redirect my thoughts. I am very compulsive and it is almost impossible for me to do that. For goodness sakes, my mind gets full of images when I am reading the Bible. The more I try to fight these desires the stronger they become.

Ultimately we have to conclude as Paul did, "what a wretched man am I".
The goal isn't to become perfect people, it is to die so Christ may live.

 

[Alithis]

So its all skirting the question really.
Can sin take away salvation..past sin no of course not.
Present sin you refuse to repent of?some imply no..
So a man is saved and walks in that salvation ..then through hardness of heart he turns away and lives in sin.he is convicted by his consciounce but repetedly refuses to repent and stop doing it.he falls into further sin drunkeness and partying ..even begins laying with other men...and woman(do not be fooled,sexual immorality is not reserved for gays,non gays are equal sin.) On the day the lord returns he is engaged in a party comitting sodomy...
The op.. In its incomplete presentation ,is trying to say this man is saved..
It is this incomplete open ended statement in the title of the Op.that i cannot agree with.

 

[Alithis]

To everyone:

Yes, the Bible says God will not allow us to be tempted beyond what we are able to handle. But for me it doesn't seem be true.
Now, I am glad that some Christians on here are sinless. I have read so many posts that basically claim they no longer have sin. Congratulations to them. They've made it.

This going to make some people uncomfortable and I apologize. But I am a non-practicing homosexual with strong emotional and physical desires to be with a man. And I struggle with lustful thoughts everyday. People tell me to just redirect my thoughts. I am very compulsive and it is almost impossible for me to do that. For goodness sakes, my mind gets full of images when I am reading the Bible. The more I try to fight these desires the stronger they become.

Maybe people who claim perfection are really perfect, for I know I can not judge. But maybe it's just easier for them. Or maybe it is hard for them, but it is possible. It's just like an intelligent person with a high IQ who is able to pass his class with a 4.0, however it still took hard work; where as someone who has a lower IQ who even has to work harder then the intelligent guy to just get C's and D's; but it was never possible for him to get a 4.0 no matter how hard they tried.

I have tried to work for perfection in the past. I know the truth about God's wrath on sin. I am well-aware of it all. I want to know the truth. Hebrews 10:26 is scripture I basically have memorize. There's also a verse that says in 1 John 3:7-9 "Dear children, don't let anyone decieve you about this: When people do what is right, it is because they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. But when people keep on sinning, it shows they belong to the Devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy these works of the Devil. Those who have been born into God's family do not sin, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they have been born of God." I feel totally doomed. So I am aware.

I am also aware of what 1 Corinthians says about homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. It gets thrown into my face constantly. Everyone always brings up 1 Corinthians 6. But what about Galatians 5:19-21 which says "When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, your lives will produce these evil results: sexual immorality (which is my issue due to lustful thoughts), eagerness for lustful pleasures (again my issue), idolatry, participation in demonic activity, hostility (which is what I am feeling right now), QUARRELING, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, DIVISIONS, the feeling everyone is wrong except those in your own little group, envy, drunkeness, wild parties, and every other kinds of sin. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the kingdom of God." I see division and quarreling in the church all the time. I also see quarreling on these forums, even from those claiming perfection. Yet, do they still believe they are saved.

Christians are always saying people hate it when they are confronted with the truth. That's not my issue at all. I confront myself with the truth everyday. If you read my threads, I am always confessing my sins.

But it's easier to confront someone with the truth when it is not your sin struggle.

I am sorry. Someone brought up homosexuality again and it angered me.

You gained youself a lot of replies.
Love your honesty.
.But if you confront yourself with truth then you must confront yourself with the lord jesus because he is truth.and to do so we must first believe that he is and that he rewards those that dilligently seek him.
You state "But for me it doesn't seem be true. "..this is unbelief.this is what you must turn away from..repent of. That other little problem the lord will cleanse from your life once you only believe he can.
If one thing gets me angry its when people imply that male attraction is some how more difficult to deal with,,it is not.did you think guys dont get sex thoughts about woman even when reading the bible..? However in all my struggles it is the lord jesus that set me free so while it is present in my flesh.it is no longer my master.. This is miraculous.. But before this is accoplished in us ,we must first believe in the one who can do it.

 

[~GodsMouthpiece~]

So its all skirting the question really.
Can sin take away salvation..past sin no of course not.
Present sin you refuse to repent of?some imply no..
So a man is saved and walks in that salvation ..then through hardness of heart he turns away and lives in sin.he is convicted by his consciounce but repetedly refuses to repent and stop doing it.he falls into further sin drunkeness and partying ..even begins laying with other men...and woman(do not be fooled,sexual immorality is not reserved for gays,non gays are equal sin.) On the day the lord returns he is engaged in a party comitting sodomy...
The op.. In its incomplete presentation ,is trying to say this man is saved..
It is this incomplete open ended statement in the title of the Op.that i cannot agree with.

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[gideons300]

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My worry is that we may lack the heart that Paul did concerning his brothers, the Jews. He said that he would wish himself accursed if it meant that they would see the light of Christ. That is the heart of Christ and ultimately how one displays truth, by sharing even hard words in love, just as Jesus did.

I agree that the hyper-grace message is dangerous. But if our responses stir up antagonism rather than drip with palpable concern and love, it simply hardens those we are trying to convince. It is not people we are fighting but untruth.

Blessings,

Gideon

 

[gideons300]

TRUE - However, SIN can (and will) break your communion with Father through the Holy SPirit, and since your FAITH, in order to be "Living" faith, depends on that communion, the effect of unrepented SIN if left unchecked will in a short time cause your "Living FAITH" - to degenerate into the fading memory of HAVING HAD "Living faith" - Once, and your descent into the Thorns will CHOKE OUT your faith and your relationship with father.

In time there'll be nothing and since salvation is by FAITH - then when the "FAITH" is gone - what's your status, and on what basis would you claim "Salvation".

Very wise post here, Bob. Thank you.

Gideon

 

[Alithis]

My worry is that we may lack the heart that Paul did concerning his brothers, the Jews. He said that he would wish himself accursed if it meant that they would see the light of Christ. That is the heart of Christ and ultimately how one displays truth, by sharing even hard words in love, just as Jesus did.

I agree that the hyper-grace message is dangerous. But if our responses stir up antagonism rather than drip with palpable concern and love, it simply hardens those we are trying to convince. It is not people we are fighting but untruth.

Blessings,

Gideon

True..must be truth but must be in love.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

In Jeremiah it is said that this covenant would not be like the old one in that God would take away our sins . if we are still as responsible as in the old testament .. did christ indeed die for nothing? because humans are humans .. even when born again .

 

[Gregory Thompson]

basically the question .. can sin take away your salvation? is loaded .

1) is it MY salvation or God's?
2) if it is MY salvation .. then yes sin can take it away .
3) if it is GOD's Salvation .. then you are asking is Sin stronger than God?

 

[Alithis]

In Jeremiah it is said that this covenant would not be like the old one in that God would take away our sins . if we are still as responsible as in the old testament .. did christ indeed die for nothing? because humans are humans .. even when born again .

He died to restore us to obedience..fully. If we then refuse to be so..who will die for us a second time?
Why did he say there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth?
In the scenario ...is that man saved in the day of the lord?

 

[Viren]

In Jeremiah it is said that this covenant would not be like the old one in that God would take away our sins . if we are still as responsible as in the old testament .. did christ indeed die for nothing? because humans are humans .. even when born again .

Yeah, it's not like sins will be taken away so we can be like Christ. As John the Baptist said, "I must become less, he must become greater" Christ is the complete replacement. The conclusion of the matter will be death swallowed by life not life swallowed by death.

 

[Frogster]

He died to restore us to obedience..fully. If we then refuse to be so..who will die for us a second time?Why did he say there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth?
In the scenario ...is that man saved in the day of the lord?

can we die a second time? No, Actually, Hebrews says no to your question, no, he does not have to die a second time, you prove it is eternal redemption, as I have said, let me know if you want text.

besides, those outside the city, gnashing, was not talkling about the saved people.

 

[gideons300]

basically the question .. can sin take away your salvation? is loaded .

1) is it MY salvation or God's?
2) if it is MY salvation .. then yes sin can take it away .
3) if it is GOD's Salvation .. then you are asking is Sin stronger than God?

If there were not clear scriptures to show us truth from God's point of view,. the reasons you listed would make a lot of sense. But there are. Here is but q few of them.

"If we sin willfully after having received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins but a certain fearful looking for of judgment."

"Behold therefore the goodness and the severity of God. On them which fell, severity, but towards thou goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise, thou also shall be cut off."

The danger of sin for a Christian is that we stop repenting of it. Sin hardens the heart, faith erodes and is replaced with mental ascent, the supreme deception. If either one of these above verses are true, and both are, how would this even be possible if the truth many are espousing were to be true? It would be simply impossible.

Blessings,

Gideon

 

[Viren]

If there were not clear scriptures to show us truth from God's point of view,. the reasons you listed would make a lot of sense. But there are. Here is but q few of them.

"If we sin willfully after having received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins but a certain fearful looking for of judgment."

"Behold therefore the goodness and the severity of God. On them which fell, severity, but towards thou goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise, thou also shall be cut off."

The danger of sin for a Christian is that we stop repenting of it. Sin hardens the heart, faith erodes and is replaced with mental ascent, the supreme deception. If either one of these above verses are true, and both are, how would this even be possible if the truth many are espousing were to be true? It would be simply impossible.

Blessings,

Gideon

Both of those passages speak of the ultimate sin of not accepting Christ as their sole Lord and savior. The good news was too good to be true. The doorway to the Kingdom of God is through total brokenness and humility. The real enemy is the belief that our humanness can achieve Godhood in any way.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

He died to restore us to obedience..fully. If we then refuse to be so..who will die for us a second time?
Why did he say there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth?
In the scenario ...is that man saved in the day of the lord?

This doesn't exactly make sense in context of the God i've known since childhood . but they are valid questions .

Yeah, it's not like sins will be taken away so we can be like Christ. As John the Baptist said, "I must become less, he must become greater" Christ is the complete replacement. The conclusion of the matter will be death swallowed by life not life swallowed by death.

well i recall a passage it says that he who had no sin became sin so that we might be the righteousness of God . so i see the replacement . just differently.

If there were not clear scriptures to show us truth from God's point of view,. the reasons you listed would make a lot of sense. But there are. Here is but q few of them.

"If we sin willfully after having received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins but a certain fearful looking for of judgment."

"Behold therefore the goodness and the severity of God. On them which fell, severity, but towards thou goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise, thou also shall be cut off."

The danger of sin for a Christian is that we stop repenting of it. Sin hardens the heart, faith erodes and is replaced with mental ascent, the supreme deception. If either one of these above verses are true, and both are, how would this even be possible if the truth many are espousing were to be true? It would be simply impossible.

Blessings,

Gideon

I appreciate all the feedback on my thoughts . I tend to read the hebrews passage differently but am aware of the salvation oriented interpretation . I do take sin seriously .. it's just there's a balance and it's good to keep balanced what is identified in scriptures the greater things to guide the things that are not called "greater"
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but the idea of a born again person .. dying . that brings up other questions like .. if someone who has been given the very quality of life that God possesses .. can die .. can God then die as well?