Defining Satan Properly - Why Satan is Good

[AlephBet]

Don't judge your perceived enemies. God is not an enemy; God created all things; God makes all things new. Keep this in mind as you read.

First, we need to identify who made Satan.

Genesis 3

3 The snake was more clever than all the wild animals Yahweh Elohim had made.

Yahweh is a Son of God (Benai Elohim). Next, we need to know why ALL things ARE the Son of God. Colossians 1 states that, "things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him." Before this statement, it shows that the Father (invisible God) created all things for the benefit of the Son of God.

Realize that Yahweh (Son) made Satan (Necessitated it by need).

Job 1

6 One day when the sons of Elohim came to stand in front of Yahweh, Satan the Accuser came along with them.

Remember that Yahweh is the Lord of the Hosts (prince of the Hosts of Heaven). Hosts are humans that HOST a Spirit. The Spirit of the Lord was in Jesus body (Temple). You will see this later.

In many places, we note that Satan is the Accuser. We get a hidden clue to this back in Genesis 2 and 3.

In Genesis 2, Adam and Eve are said to be naked (Arummim / No Knowledge). In Genesis 3, Satan is cunning (Arum / Full of Knowledge). To be an accuser, Satan had to be informed (formed on the inside). Adam and Eve were unformed (naked / not informed). Here, we get why the need for the subconscious. The accuser of all minds in human form is the Conscience. Specifically, the subconscious. It has the word written on the heart by trails (Wisdom / James 1).

Parallel to Yahweh and Satan, we have the Son of God (Adam). Adam was naked, divided by Yahweh from his weak nature (Eve). Eve is the bride below. Adam is the Angel of the Lord above. Both Adam and Eve were Created (Bara) in Genesis 1 by Elohim / Ruach Elohim. Let US make man in OUR image and likeness. Make is not bara. Bara comes in from the next verse (Genesis 1:27). Note that an image must first be made from existing materials (WORD), then created into the image (copy). DNA is Word. See my links #2 and #6 for evidence of this process.

27 So Elohim created [bara] humans [haAdam] in his image.
In the image of Elohim he created them.
He created them male and female.

After this, they rest in Genesis 2. Yahweh then forms Adam (from existing materials) and plants a garden (from seed). He then forms Eve (From existing materials). He is known as Yahweh Elohim in Genesis 3. After the fall, he becomes Yahweh only. He loses his title as creator (Names of God Bible on BibleGateway). This is when the conscience is engaged. Mankind fell from his division of the first temple. From this, the image of God was divided and all temples crumble. See the thread below on this subject. The lamb (Adam) was slain form the foundation by this act. God must make all things new.

Satan is the accuser in this process. To silence Satan, we must overcome the adversary (Yahweh). Jesus was Yahweh overcoming himself. To do this, he silenced Satan for all of us.

Joshua is Yeshua / High Priest. A new Robe (body) and Crown (mind) is necessary. Mary was the Refined Eve. Adam's DNA was engaged back into the refined Bride. Jesus was the First and Last Adam (1 Cor 15).

Zechariah 3

3 Then he showed me Joshua, the chief priest, standing in front of the Messenger of Yahweh. Satan the Accuser was standing at Joshua’s right side to accuse him. 2 Yahweh said to Satan, “I, Yahweh, silence you, Satan! I, Yahweh, who has chosen Jerusalem, silence you! Isn’t this man like a burning log snatched from a fire?”

3 Joshua was wearing filthy clothes and was standing in front of the Messenger. 4 The Messenger said to those who were standing in front of him, “Remove Joshua’s filthy clothes.” Then he said to Joshua, “See, I have taken your sin away from you, and I will dress you in fine clothing.”
5 So I said, “Put a clean turban on his head.” They put a clean turban on his head and dressed him while the Messenger of Yahweh was standing there.

6 The Messenger of Yahweh advised Joshua, 7 “This is what Yahweh Tsebaoth says: If you live according to my ways and follow my requirements, you will govern my temple and watch over my courtyards. Then I will give you free access to walk among those standing here.
8 “Listen, Chief Priest Joshua and your friends sitting with you. These men are a sign of things to come: I’m going to bring my servant, the Branch.

9 “Look at the stone I have set in front of Joshua. That one stone has seven eyes. I am engraving an inscription on it,” declares Yahweh Tsebaoth. “I will remove this land’s sin in a single day. 10 On that day,” declares Yahweh Tsebaoth, “each of you will invite your neighbor to sit under your vine and fig tree.”

The branching of the fig tree comes when it is cut to the stump. Yahweh is that fig tree (Elohim of Israel). He was cut to the stump. In its place, the Branch grows as a tender shoot.

Satan is the Conscience of the Son of God. All things. Satan is good by his design. He accomplishes God's will.

We are required to forgive ALL enemies. Judge not or you judge your own self. You ARE the Son of God.

All means All. God will soon be ALL in All. It's the plan from the foundation. First, we are made Holy in the waters of the flood (1 Peter 3) by trials to clothe ourselves.

A new Robe (Body) and Mind (Crown) are necessary. First, silence Satan by ending your own Yahweh (Ego to Rule). By this single act to remove pride, you are then clothed and crowned. Yeshua was the firstfruits of this process to resurrect a redeemed body and mind from the fire. God snatches us from the fire as a burning log.

Water puts out fire. Baptism is the process to cleanse the temple (Body).

See the second link below for how the Strong Water Mark of Truth works. #6 is also an outline of this process.

TRUTH is Aleph (Father) Mem (Mother) Tav (Son). The Father pulls us through the waters to the cross. We cross the Jordan to get to the promised land of LIFE everlasting. First, death as a temporary state of mind in a created image (waters below).

Strong Water Mark

PREMISE Confirmed here: Colossians 1:21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your mindsbecause of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.

Who is your accuser? Your Mind.

 

[timewerx]

I'll make it simple for everyone.

There are two satans in the Bible.

One is good who is falsely accused - this is Lilith and the serpent in the Bible

The other is evil - this is the god that the Jews (Judaists) worship. The god who tempted Jesus in the wilderness with unfathomable wealth.


There's a real evil in this world whose instructions are coded in our DNA. Most of it came to men and a little to women.

However, this doesn't prejudge men as men have a choice to resist and ignore it. Jesus called this evil instructions as "our father". It gives us the desire to procreate sexually. So even if we start a family with what **we think** is right in God's eyes, we are still doing the will of "our father".

Science will soon have an answer in genetics, Ironically, this recent advances in science seem more in touch with the non-canon scriptures.


All of it will explain why the most popular religions in the planet by sheer % of the world's population is male-centric - the gender that is wired to invade other people and to occupy over 90% of prison space which doesn't make sense if the abrahamic god is assumed to be benevolent. Unfortunately most people assumed wrong out of the threat of hellfire. All of this has a scientific basis whose nature is quite insidious. We have all been invaded. Nothing we see in our world is actually normal. We have been forced to believe it is through constant brainwashing of our society through schools, mass media, and religion.

We used to be capable of self-procreation (virgin birth) - this is what the "thief" stole from us and this is the significant meaning why Jesus had to come through virgin birth.

 

[single eye]

How many agree with Al, satan is good? How many agree with timewerx, there is a good satan and an evil satan? How many, besides me, think they are both wrong?

 

[timewerx]

How many agree with Al, satan is good? How many agree with timewerx, there is a good satan and an evil satan? How many, besides me, think they are both wrong?

I'm trying to point out the details, but absolutely speaking, there is only one evil.

Although evil might serve a greater good, you are not supposed to like it, never ever! Evil is for a test but it doesn't mean, we can relax in our couches and pretend to be oblivious with what is happening in our neighborhood, in the next town, next state, next country, distant parts of our planet. We ought to do something about it.

I got good news for you though. What I'm coming to discover through my scientific hypothesis on the latest scientific findings on a subject I will discuss soon is that detoxification had a relation to it. But it is not entirely the solution to the issue. I found that it is only an alternative to a far superior solution to the dilemma of "casting out demons". I have found out that filling your mind with knowledge on a wide variety of subjects will actually help boost your immune system and other good things and will further unlock the potential of your mind.

You must have heard the subject of "singularity" on artificial intelligence. Well, we are it. We are just not pushing ourselves to the limit enough because we tend to take life easy once we get settled down. this is probably why Jesus said, those who hate their lives will find life and those who love their lives (strives for a good life in this world and then take things easy from there on) will lose it (not find life) in John 12:25

 

[single eye]

Timewerx, the more you try to defend and explain yourself, the less credible you become. All mystics violate the kiss principle and that is why I am not a mystic. Jesus and the saints were gnostics, not mystics. They understood the difference between symbolic analogies and parables. They also knew how to understand what the symbols represent. this is the secret knowledge passed on to us through the scripture produced by the saints. Elijah was also a gnostic, which is why he manifested the fruits of the Spirit, healing the sick and casting out demons and not just another form of godliness.

 

[timewerx]

Timewerx, the more you try to defend and explain yourself, the less credible you become. All mystics violate the kiss principle and that is why I am not a mystic. Jesus and the saints were gnostics, not mystics. They understood the difference between symbolic analogies and parables. They also knew how to understand what the symbols represent. this is the secret knowledge passed on to us through the scripture produced by the saints. Elijah was also a gnostic, which is why he manifested the fruits of the Spirit, healing the sick and casting out demons and not just another form of godliness.

My reply to Aleph is hardly mystical.

It's a hypothesis derived from the latest discoveries in mainstream science.

I'm simply trying to find parallels in religion but the fact is that the parallels are not important.


What I really am mostly is a philosopher and a scientist but the fact is I have seen God and lived to tell about Her. It might have been just her avatar but likely Her true form is a sphere, like the egg cell of a female. I have Her eyes though.

 

[drstevej]

What I really am mostly is a philosopher and a scientist but the fact is I have seen God and lived to tell about Her. It might have been just her avatar but likely Her true form is a sphere, like the egg cell of a female. I have Her eyes though.

If this is your belief, in what sense are you a Christian?

 

[Moodshadow]

My reply to Aleph is hardly mystical.

It's a hypothesis derived from the latest discoveries in mainstream science.

I'm simply trying to find parallels in religion but the fact is that the parallels are not important.


What I really am mostly is a philosopher and a scientist but the fact is I have seen God and lived to tell about Her. It might have been just her avatar but likely Her true form is a sphere, like the egg cell of a female. I have Her eyes though.

You say you're a Christian. Do you believe in the Bible - which says that we are made in the image of God? If so, how can you reconcile what you say in your post, above, with the fact that no human is sphere-shaped? And if not, how can you call yourself a Christian?

 

[timewerx]

If this is your belief, in what sense are you a Christian?

I have just updated my affiliation to "seeker" from "non-denominational".

To me, Christ is everything. A Christian is someone who struggles to be like Christ even if it seems futile. You just do it anyway because if it doesn't seem to make sense, the world doesn't make sense even more! I mean this in a scientific manner. People collectively, do a lot of stupid things we'll all pay for later on or pretty soon with our parasitic relationship with our planet.

Under those definitions, I am a Christian.

A little caution though, the Christ that I know may not be the same Christ you know.

 

[AlephBet]

I'll make it simple for everyone.

There are two satans in the Bible.

One is good who is falsely accused - this is Lilith and the serpent in the Bible

The other is evil - this is the god that the Jews (Judaists) worship. The god who tempted Jesus in the wilderness with unfathomable wealth.

How do you reconcile this thought of separateness form the Son of God in regard to the following two realizations?

1) Colossians 1 states that ALL things (Rulers, Powers and Authorities) are in and through the Son of God. All things ARE the Son of God.

2) Satan was made by Yahweh. Satan was also silenced by Yahweh in Zechariah 3 and in the desert temptation of Jesus.

I think the answer I gave is completely scriptural, and has been entirely missed by theologians. The main reason being the incorrect interpretation of the names that were intentionally hidden from us.

Yahweh's character cannot be defended. This is true. Yahweh was the Ego of the Son to Rule. The Son had to be fully human. He had to be humbled. This is our pattern to do the same.

If you recognize Him (Son of God) in this verse, you get how the same nature is in your self. We are ALL the same self.

Colossians 1

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

The Upanishads of the Hindus correctly identifies the Lord as the Ego / Self and the Supreme God in three (Trinity) as a hidden God, just as stated above. The Upanishads are a key to understanding the Bible accurately. Elohim (Father) promised a blessing of the Rainbow (all nations). All nations hold keys to this mystery. This only makes sense by knowing that ALL of the Cosmos is the Son of God in a pattern / Template.

 

[AlephBet]

How many agree with Al, satan is good? How many agree with timewerx, there is a good satan and an evil satan? How many, besides me, think they are both wrong?

Please tell us why. Also, consider the post above. How would you reconcile this against the two points I list above?

 

[timewerx]

You say you're a Christian. Do you believe in the Bible - which says that we are made in the image of God? If so, how can you reconcile what you say in your post, above, with the fact that no human is sphere-shaped? And if not, how can you call yourself a Christian?

John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[a] and life.

I don't think God ever meant the image to be in the context of the flesh..

We humans and other forms of life for that matter aren't individuals in the spirit or the mind. In the spirit, we form distinct collectives of multiple minds each. We literally don't die yet when our physical bodies die. We literally go on living among those who are part of our collective whose physical bodies are still living and may not necessarily be a close relative.

Since our planet is a sphere and these collectives also include animals and we are all living on Earth's crust, it's easy to deduce that the best notion of a collective's shape is also a sphere.

We only truly die if everyone in the collective is physically dead. These are collectives who only cared mostly about the matters of the flesh. Most people will undergo this fate. The only ones who will never die are those who belongs to the collective of our God. The Bible mentions this as the family of God.


Jesus said that one of his disciples will never taste death and Peter got all jealous and fired up because he didn't understand what Jesus was saying that beloved disciple did understand.

 

[AlephBet]

Timewerx, the more you try to defend and explain yourself, the less credible you become. All mystics violate the kiss principle and that is why I am not a mystic. Jesus and the saints were gnostics, not mystics. They understood the difference between symbolic analogies and parables. They also knew how to understand what the symbols represent. this is the secret knowledge passed on to us through the scripture produced by the saints. Elijah was also a gnostic, which is why he manifested the fruits of the Spirit, healing the sick and casting out demons and not just another form of godliness.

Simplicity is knowing that the Rainbow holds more colors than Israel. Elohim promised that all nations would be blessed. Nothing can be separated from the mind of God as an origin. From this, the Son of God is the next fullness to be filled completely. From this, we are all in and through the Son of God. Nothing can be subtracted or added. All things means all.

Satan is the accuser. We all have one. It's the conscience. Yahweh is the Ego to Rule. We all have one. The temple is the template used to make all things. God-----> Son --------> Cosmos ---------> Man.

Man is a microcosm. The Cosmos is the macrocosm. We are images and mirrors of the other.

Nothing is more simple than this. Trying to make out an enemy as a living entity is incorrect. Satan was made by Yahweh. No reason to doubt what Genesis 3 states clearly. By made, this implies it was for a reason. Necessity drives invention. All of what you read about the characters in the Bible are personifications of powers, rulers and authorities in and through us all (Son of God).

The Bible keeps this simple. We are the ones that make it hard.

 

[James Is Back]

Timewerx, the more you try to defend and explain yourself, the less credible you become. All mystics violate the kiss principle and that is why I am not a mystic. Jesus and the saints were gnostics, not mystics. They understood the difference between symbolic analogies and parables. They also knew how to understand what the symbols represent. this is the secret knowledge passed on to us through the scripture produced by the saints. Elijah was also a gnostic, which is why he manifested the fruits of the Spirit, healing the sick and casting out demons and not just another form of godliness.

Jesus and the Saints were not Gnostic. Please read what Gnostic means here:

What is the definition of the term Gnostic?

 

[AlephBet]

For those reading this thread, consider this verse:

Revelation 2

I know where you live--where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, not even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city--where Satan lives.

This city is, of course, Pergamum. The two words making this are Per (meaning improper) and Gamos meaning Marriage. The meaning of the seat of Satan is an improper marriage. For the city in Asia, it was paganism. For Israel, it was Rome. For Adam, it was the need for Satan (accusation). We could also extend this to the seed of the serpent and the seed of Eve. Genesis 3 is packed with a great deal of information here to offer, but ultimately, we look to the letters of the Aleph Bet (Father) to know.

Sin and Nun are beside each other. Nun is Seed and Sin is the Thistle. They are joined one letter after the other. The best reference for this is the Christmas Song, two front teeth. Two Front Teeth (Letter Shin), and is what he wants for Christmas. Sister Susie (NUN) sits on a thistle (Sin). The writer of the song had double meaning in this. The temple prostitute was the NUN. The thistle is what she sits on with the Priest. The allusion to this is that the priest takes advantage of the feminine (Eve). She was the weak nature. As the story goes, sin entered in when Eve was divided from Adam as the weaker nature. Satan was then given hold of her.

Don't just believe me. Don't think its crazy. Check to see that I am correct. Then, go back to my statement about getting past the Word (Son) to see the Father (letters). There is so much more to this story than you realize. Adversary and Accuser must be overcome to reach the SHIN and remove Sin from the Seed. Overcoming the Adversary (Ego) silences Satan (Accusation). The conscience is cleared when you do.

MYSTICAL MEANING OF THE LETTERS (SHIN).

The meaning of the SHIN that he wants is the eternal flame that does not consume the coal. Coal is Carbon, or the mark of man. It has 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. This is the beast in the water. The flame consumes the coal (entropy). He wants the SHIN, or coal that is not consumed. He wants to give it to us. It's all he wants for Christmas.

Look below. Find NUN, SIN and SHIN. See that I am correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWiiDxbk-A

When he gets the Shin, he whistles for the Sheep:

Isaiah 5:26 - He lifts up a banner for the distant nations, he whistles for those at the ends of the earth. Here they come, swiftly and speedily!

 

[AlephBet]

Jesus and the Saints were not Gnostic. Please read what Gnostic means here:

What is the definition of the term Gnostic?

John was a Gnostic. Paul was a Gnostic. There is no doubt they were connected to the mysteries of the region. Many references. You can search them out, but both the Sadducees and pharisees knew the unwitten Torah.

 

[timewerx]

How do you reconcile this thought of separateness form the Son of God in regard to the following two realizations?

1) Colossians 1 states that ALL things (Rulers, Powers and Authorities) are in and through the Son of God. All things ARE the Son of God.

I can't find that bolded text in the whole chapter of Colossians 1. Perhaps I misread it, would you care to give the exact verse?

Do you think the Son of God is Jesus?

Science disagrees with this notion by gender alone.

How can God be a male and if the Son Jesus is through were all things are created when all living things at the beginning were all females??

The male gender and sexual reproduction were later additions in life as the recent discoveries in science suggest. The females at the beginning self-procreated by spontaneous division of their egg cells without a sperm cell. It still happens in nature today in some reptiles.

In genetics, you can only exclusively birth females if done without a male genetic material. If everything came from Jesus is a female as science thinks about the primordial life forms, then Jesus is a female. If Jesus came to Earth via virgin birth, then he can never be a male without a male genetic material from a father.

The sperm cell has a lot more in common to a virus, parasitic bacteria, and transport mechanism of metastasizing cancer cells than anything else, in all aspects including behavior, biological structure, and morphology. All which are late additions, not to mention, quite harmful.


There is another recent scientific studies we were wired to resist these kinds of information. What happened to us hundreds of millions of years ago was also altering our behaviors even now. The implications are enormous and quite disturbing at the same time. That religion is mind programming scheme by whoever who took our ability to self reproduce and replace it with sexual reproduction.

 

[timewerx]

John was a Gnostic. Paul was a Gnostic. There is no doubt they were connected to the mysteries of the region. Many references. You can search them out, but both the Sadducees and pharisees knew the unwitten Torah.

Paul is only possibly a Gnostic. It's either true or someone a long time ago put his name on it to give it better credibility.

But the corruption of Gnosticism is tied to Paul's name.

Gnosticism got some things right, but they also got some things wrong, just like Christianity.

 

[AlephBet]

I can't find that bolded text in the whole chapter of Colossians 1. Perhaps I misread it, would you care to give the exact verse?

Do you think the Son of God is Jesus?

Science disagrees with this notion by gender alone.

How can God be a male and if the Son Jesus is through were all things are created when all living things at the beginning were all females??

The threads below explain. Word is the answer to your question about Colossians 1. Word is the Son. Letters are the Father (Aleph Bet). DNA is the shadow of this. ALL things. This is Colossians 1:15-17.

Colossians 1 also states this in relation to the Mind (Accuser / Conscience).

21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[g] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—

Who is the accuser?

 

[timewerx]

The threads below explain. Word is the answer to your question about Colossians 1. Word is the Son. Letters are the Father (Aleph Bet). DNA is the shadow of this. ALL things. This is Colossians 1:15-17.

Colossians 1 also states this in relation to the Mind (Accuser / Conscience).

21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[g] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—

Who is the accuser?

The Pharisees claim we have one father John 8:41

Jesus refuted them that their father is not his father but the devil John 8:44


Paul claims to be a Pharisee from which you are quoting , from one of his epistles - Colossians.


Jesus clearly told in John 8:44 we have different fathers.

Because if we are all sons of the father of Jesus regardless of the circumstances, none will perish and all will be saved, including the devil.


I do not agree with this because this is not what I observe in nature. It's not the survival of the fittest, of the meanest, of the biggest and the baddest, that is ultimately the rule. It is actually the survival of the meekest.

We get one unlucky strike by a huge rock from space, cockroaches will inherit our planet. Those really benign and meek creatures we treat as pest but does absolutely nothing in harming our planet. In fact, in absolute terms, we are the pest in this planet, we are the parasites, not the cockroaches. A classic example of the teaching in Isaiah 5:20. Humans are the real problem to this planet, not the cockroaches. If Planet Earth calls out to God for help, we're the ones who will be wiped off the face of the Earth, not the cockroaches. And when their survival mode is switched on, they resort to parthogenetic reproduction. In other words, female cockroaches will inherit the Earth. So much for a possibly deluded male-centric religions.