Is creationism and Christianity dying in the US?

[Euler]

By papal bull?

You'd probably be more acquainted with bull than I.

 

[EternalDragon]

Oh, and you might consider that the LARGEST section of Christianity, the Catholic Church, has accepted evolutionary theory, albeit with some reservations.

I doubt there are that many born again Christians in the Catholic
church. So I would not call it the largest section of Christianity.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Oh, and you might consider that the LARGEST section of Christianity, the Catholic Church, has accepted evolutionary theory, albeit with some reservations.

The thing about Fundamentalists, they aren't very big fans of Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, or Mainline Protestant Christians. See, the rest of us Christians aren't "Real Christians" because reasons.

I doubt there are that many born again Christians in the Catholic
church. So I would not call it the largest section of Christianity.

Case-in-point

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Is this catholic beliefs?

Nope.

Though I've no idea where you pulled "Catholic" from.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther, and Lutheranism.

This is known as the Lutheran Rose,

That's the icon next to my name.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[JacksBratt]

Oh, this gets old. Science never "proves" anything - it provides the best current explanation for a set of phenomena. The best current explanation we have for the age of the earth is around 4.5 billion years. ALL the streams of evidence we have to date converge on that age. Any further adjustment is likely to be a closer refinement of that age.

Yes this gets old. This whole "science proves nothing" crap. Science proves that the speed of light is slowing down. Science proves that the earth has a certain mass, that gravity is determined by the mass of any object, that you can separate liquids by fractional distillation, that you can make an atomic bomb based on E=MC 2.

Science proves a lot of things. Evolutionists say it proves nothing because it disproves evolution. You cannot prove evolution, I cannot prove that there is a God. Not by science. Therefore both are therories.

Thing is, EGG HEADs incorporated, the people who set out the subject matter for all schools and educational institutions have taken upon theirself to make it so unpopular, socially unacceptable, careers damaging, as to force all young people feel like they must conform to this one "religion of evolution" in order to get good grades and even pass a course.

This group of EGG HEADS have gone so far as to destroy, cover up, hide or alter and falsify evidence that contridicts this covited farce. It all started with Piltown man and lucy and it has not stopped. They must not have any evidence against their view will evidence may support the Bible.

Where is the freedom if the young adults are told they cannot have another view. THis is the difference from when I was in school where they taught both as theories.

The Scientific evidence out there, the stuff they allow you to see, supports the Biblical account and people who are far more educated than you have documents and papers to suppport this. You just won't believe it because if you research it, it comes from a creationist group. Go figure, creationist views coming from a creationist website cannot be trusted yet evoluitonist views from an evolutionist website is now the "truth"....

 

[JacksBratt]

No, it is not. Outside of it being set in an area of the world that can be verified to exist, other than it mentioning (some) groups of people that can be verified to exist, it contains very little that can be verified through a scientific analysis. There is NO science behind talking snakes and donkeys, there is NO science behind floating axe heads and worldwide floods, there is NO science behind turning water to wine, walking on water, or people rising from the dead. These are all fictions.

"There is no science behind"

But, you just said science proves nothing. So, "there is no science" behind an single glimmer of life "evolving" into all the wonderous forms of life we have now.

Or, are you saying evolution is the only thing that there is "science behind"?

You cannot have it both ways.

 

[JacksBratt]

The theory has "survived" for more than 160 years. In that time, it has grown from being reasonably well grounded at the time Darwin released it, to the most strongly supported theory in all of scientific endeavor. EVERY subsequent field that has contributed to the body of evidence connected with evolution has confirmed and strengthened what was known before. It's a virtual slam dunk.

The truth of Christ has survived for more than 2000 years. That's if we are comparing here and if it matters at all.

This well grounded theory was questioned by Darwin himself. He didn't see the fossil data base showing what he neede to see and this has not changed.

Since then, the knowledge that science has provided us with, makes it more and more impossible for all this wonderous world to have started out of the blue. Darwin had no idea how complex even the simplest cell was.
The theory steadily loses ground from there.

This slam dunk you speak of maybe a goal, but not in basketball but in hockey where using your hand to score is against the rules. There has been so much falsifiaction of evidence, which started at the beginning of this whole deal, that I cannot ever know what is truth, what is fabricated, what we have not been shown, what has been altered, what has been destroyed.

It is not a slam dunk. It is a lie spawned by satan himself to lead humans away from the truth of the Bible and the gospel. Remember, satan is the greatest deciever and those who believe they are so intelligent ane wise are the ones who will be called fools.

 

[JacksBratt]

Oh, and you might consider that the LARGEST section of Christianity, the Catholic Church, has accepted evolutionary theory, albeit with some reservations.

Yes, yes. the catholic church. The LARGEST section of Christianity.



So, now, due to this largest group of believers, I should believe it when "they" state something to be true.

Truth is not a democracy.

If I was in the catholic church I would open the bible and start reading it, now that they are allowed to. Then I would test everything that the priest is telling me and try it in the fire of the truth of the Bible.

One of my best friends went into the priesthood. Four years in, he and seven others had had enough of the BS and dropped out. Too much
"do as I say" " believe what I say" and not enough learn and think for yourself.

Listen, my church is far from perfect. IF it preaches something contrary to the Bible, I don't follow it blindly. My church has a huge amount of things that I truely believe and agree with. No human made religion is going to get it 100% right.

That's why they killed Jesus. He came here and told the HIGH PRIESTS they were hyprocrites. That they were so shiney and clean on the outside but inside, they were totally corrupt.

Jesus boiled the 10 commandments down to just 2. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and MIND. and Love your neighbour as your self".

How can you love your God with all your heart soul and mind and then tell Him you don't believe His word or His ability to create this universe exactly as He stated that He did.

 

[JacksBratt]

Nope.

Though I've no idea where you pulled "Catholic" from.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther, and Lutheranism.

This is known as the Lutheran Rose,

That's the icon next to my name.

-CryptoLutheran

My mistake. Is this Lurheran beliefs?

 

[JacksBratt]

I didn't lose my faith instantly as such, it was a very long process after careful examination of the evidence or lack thereof.

I simply dismissed Christ (and everything supernatural) as likely to exist in the same way I (and probably you) did with Santa Clause.

Are you familiar with the parable of the sower? The one where some seeds landed by the way side, some on stoney places, some amoung thorns, some on good gound?

Did you ever concider that the people who pound this theory of evolution and spew their lies are, in fact, the thorns. They have choked you out.

Go back to the Bible and test everything through it. It will get you back on the narrow path of truth.

 

[ViaCrucis]

My mistake. Is this Lurheran beliefs?

No.

In Lutheranism the promises and truth of the Gospel are dependent upon the Gospel itself: "To us a child is born, unto us a Son is given" "the Christ must suffer and on the third day rise again" "God demonstrates His love in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us" "This is a trustworthy saying worthy of full acceptance: Christ came into the world to save sinners, and I am the chief of sinners." and as the Creed puts it, "He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of the Father, from whence He will come again in glory to judge the quick and the dead and His kingdom shall have no end."

The Gospel doesn't fall apart because evolution happens, or because the earth is round, or because the earth orbits the sun, or because of general relativity, or because Norway is a nation located in the northern hemisphere.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[JacksBratt]

I didn't lose my faith instantly as such, it was a very long process after careful examination of the evidence or lack thereof.

I simply dismissed Christ (and everything supernatural) as likely to exist in the same way I (and probably you) did with Santa Clause.

I always love it when people bring up the Santa Clause thing. Firstly, I figured that out when I was six, on my own. However I am a middle age man and still hold fast to the truth of the Bible and have not found it lacking.

So, should Christians not follow the tradition and entertain the idea of Santa?

Does that mean it's OK for non believers to play this game but not for believers?

Things that make me go "hmmm".

 

[EternalDragon]

The thing about Fundamentalists, they aren't very big fans of Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, or Mainline Protestant Christians. See, the rest of us Christians aren't "Real Christians" because reasons.

Case-in-point

-CryptoLutheran

Jesus wasn't a big fan of the Sadducees or Pharisees either.

 

[Loudmouth]

Did you ever concider that the people who pound this theory of evolution and spew their lies are, in fact, the thorns.

What lies are you accusing us of telling?

 

[justlookinla]

The theory has "survived" for more than 160 years. In that time, it has grown from being reasonably well grounded at the time Darwin released it, to the most strongly supported theory in all of scientific endeavor. EVERY subsequent field that has contributed to the body of evidence connected with evolution has confirmed and strengthened what was known before. It's a virtual slam dunk.

Is that why there's neo-Darwinism and neo-neo-Darwinism and guesses and suppositions galore?

Oh, and you might consider that the LARGEST section of Christianity, the Catholic Church, has accepted evolutionary theory, albeit with some reservations.

The Roman Catholic Church does not accept the Godless impetus of atheistic Darwinist creationism.

 

[bhsmte]

I didn't lose my faith instantly as such, it was a very long process after careful examination of the evidence or lack thereof.

I simply dismissed Christ (and everything supernatural) as likely to exist in the same way I (and probably you) did with Santa Clause.

If you haven't noticed, there are some on this board that know why you lost you're faith better than you and they claim to be able to read the minds of all others, who have left their faith.

All part of them trying desperately, to keep their own house of cards from tumbling down.

 

[justlookinla]

I didn't lose my faith instantly as such, it was a very long process after careful examination of the evidence or lack thereof.

I simply dismissed Christ (and everything supernatural) as likely to exist in the same way I (and probably you) did with Santa Clause.

Christ was simply a figment of your imagination then? It was never an actual relationship?

 

[bhsmte]

Case in point!

 

[ViaCrucis]

Jesus wasn't a big fan of the Sadducees or Pharisees either.

So we're all Pharisees and Sadducees because...?


-CryptoLutheran

 

[Standing_Ultraviolet]

The Roman Catholic Church does not accept the Godless impetus of atheistic Darwinist creationism.

The version of evolution accepted by most members of the Catholic Church is identical in its mechanics to the kind of evolution that I accept. Some Catholics believe the genetically impossible idea that an evolved but still literal Adam and Eve were the progenitors of the entire human race, but most who are less conservative (which would include the majority of Catholics in western Europe, the U.S., and Canada) don't. Atheism is not inherent in the theory of natural selection anymore than it is inherent in the theory that cumulonimbus clouds form as a result of warm air rising.