OSASers choose to reject Jesus’ warnings about losing salvation!

[Hammster]

So why have you not read PrincetonGuy's exposition of the history of OSAS at #252?

Because I've hound him to be unreliable in the past, if you must know.

I do imagine he'd engage me, though, without diversionary tactics such as the ones you employ.

 

[OzSpen]

Because I've hound him to be unreliable in the past, if you must know.

I do imagine he'd engage me, though, without diversionary tactics such as the ones you employ.

Please show him in #252 where he is unreliable about the history of OSAS. Wouldn't that bolster your case if you demonstrated to him that his historical view of OSAS were incorrect?

Your snide comment about me, 'without diversionary tactics such as the ones you employ', is without demonstration of the content of your accusation.

 

[Hammster]

Please show him in #252 where he is unreliable about the history of OSAS. Wouldn't that bolster your case if you demonstrated to him that his historical view of OSAS were incorrect?

Your snide comment about me, 'without diversionary tactics such as the ones you employ', is without demonstration of the content of your accusation.

I haven't read post 252. Did you miss that part?

 

[nobdysfool]

You told me that this comment by you was referring to PrincetonGuy's post about the history of OSAS. Where in PrincetonGuy's post did he state anything about the 5 points?

Good grief, you quoted the very paragraph! don't you read what you post? here it is in his own words:

And Davis is not alone—very numerous Calvinists have searched thousands of old documents in an unsuccessful attempt to prove that the five points of Calvinism did not originate with Calvin.

Now, stop this nonsense and admit that you are just trying to harass people and make them look bad. That is precisely what you're doing.

 

[OzSpen]

I haven't read post 252. Did you miss that part?

 

[OzSpen]

Good grief, you quoted the very paragraph! don't you read what you post? here it is in his own words:

Now, stop this nonsense and admit that you are just trying to harass people and make them look bad. That is precisely what you're doing.
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Thank-you nobdysfool for drawing attention to my error.

PrincetonGuy did state:

And Davis is not alone—very numerous Calvinists have searched thousands of old documents in an unsuccessful attempt to prove that the five points of Calvinism did not originate with Calvin.

Even though the 5 points of Calvinism did originate with the Synod of Dort and that was after the time of Calvin, Calvinism has tended to adopt the 5 points as associated with Calvin when it should be from Dort.

Oz

 

[nobdysfool]

Even though the 5 points of Calvinism did originate with the Synod of Dort and that was after the time of Calvin, Calvinism has tended to adopt the 5 points as associated with Calvin when it should be from Dort.

A minor point, at best. True, the more accurate term would be the 5 points of Dort, but it doesn't have quite that "ring" to it does it? Just like the salute to Hitler wouldn't be the same if it was Heil Schicklgruber, which was his father's real last name.

Right or wrong, it is what it is. Calvinism as we know it basically grew out of the Synod of Dort's answers to the Remonstrance.

 

[Hammster]

You know you don't mean it. So why do it?

 

[janxharris]

Still no response to #252.

 

[OzSpen]

Still no response to #252.

I wonder why? That should be self evident. Those who support OSAS don't seem to understand the serious historical consequences when it is not supported by most of historical theology and salvation history up to the time of Calvin.

Oz

 

[janxharris]

Because I've hound him to be unreliable in the past, if you must know.

I do imagine he'd engage me, though, without diversionary tactics such as the ones you employ.

Do you have any evidence of the doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints from biblical scholars and theologians prior to John Calvin? PrincetonGuy claims there are none. He does claim there is evidence for the belief that not all believers persevered though and cites Augustine, Aquinas and Luther.

If PrincetonGuy is wrong then, no doubt, evidence will be forthcoming.

 

[Hammster]

Do you have any evidence of the doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints from biblical scholars and theologians prior to John Calvin? PrincetonGuy claims there are none. He does claim there is evidence for the belief that not all believers persevered though and cites Augustine, Aquinas and Luther.

If PrincetonGuy is wrong then, no doubt, evidence will be forthcoming.

When and where was it discussed?

 

[janxharris]

When and where was it discussed?

?

 

[janxharris]

When and where was it discussed?

You won't read it.

 

[janxharris]

When and where was it discussed?

We don't have to consider PrincetonGuy's post if you wish.

Do you have any evidence of the doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints from biblical scholars and theologians prior to John Calvin?

 

[Hammster]

We don't have to consider PrincetonGuy's post if you wish.

Do you have any evidence of the doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints from biblical scholars and theologians prior to John Calvin?

Historically, when and where was it discussed?

 

[janxharris]

Historically, when and where was it discussed?

Please answer the question.

 

[janxharris]

The Christian writers, theologians and scholars (prior to Calvin) who promoted the idea that all true believers in Christ persevered to the end are?

Once some names have been furnished, PrincetonGuy would have been shown to have erred and we can move on.

 

[Hammster]

The Christian writers, theologians and scholars (prior to Calvin) who promoted the idea that all true believers in Christ persevered to the end are?

We can move on once some names have been furnished...and PrincetonGuy would have been shown to have erred.

Where was this discussed historically? Or was it assumed that true believers would persevere to the end?

 

[Hammster]

I'm still waiting for an Arminian to tell me how they know they are doing enough to stay saved?