Question about some of the OT killings

[Sammy-San]

The sons of God here are most likely the Godly offspring of Seth intermarrying with the wicked offspring of Cain. And yes I am familiar with the sons of God in Job presenting themselves in heaven but I am also familiar with what Jesus said that the angels do not procreate.

I cannot completely rule out that the sons of God are not angels but I put more weight on the words of Jesus.

If the sons of God were not angelic beings but rather the Godly offspring of Seth, why does the OT refer to angels as "sons of god" so many times? The same Hebrew word used for angels in many other parts of the OT, is also used in Genesis.

 

[fozzy]

If the sons of God were not angelic beings but rather the Godly offspring of Seth, why does the OT refer to angels as "sons of god" so many times? The same Hebrew word used for angels in many other parts of the OT, is also used in Genesis.

Jesus said angels do not procreate. There are not female or baby angels. They were all created by the hand of God and are a higher order of being than we are. They are spiritual and we are fleshly.

This is the kind of thing you read in the tabloids. The history channel actually has shows about this with ancient aliens. Just more propaganda to dupe the masses.

 

[Emjay1985]

However OT do have some verses that commands the killing of all people in a city. Even though there are many passage in OT that prevents revenge, many good rules, that one incident is hard to explain.

I even asked some of our Jewish friends on the forum, but all the answer I got is they are not sure, only God knows.

So do we have some experts on this that can have a proper explanation?

Thanks

I'm not an expert but I can share the explanation I was given. Basically the cities where God commanded every person to be killed, male and female, young and old, were worshiping baal or similar false gods. These gods demanded followers to commit atrocious acts such as burning newborns alive. If any had been allowed to live they would've passed on their beliefs and more atrocities would've been committed and even more souls would've ended up in hell. The souls of children who had not reached an age of accountability would've gone to heaven. Whereas if they had been allowed to grow up they would've followed baal or similar and their souls would've gone to hell.

 

[Sammy-San]

The Israelites, as I said before, were a savage Bronze Age people. The Mosaic Law brought them a long way toward being civilized. The elements that you see as harsh actually moderated their earlier behavior.

Formerly, a groom who thought he had been duped into marrying a non-virgin would have murdered her immediately and declared war on her family.

The "eye for an eye" rule meant only an eye for an eye--no more revenge than the damage originally suffered--not the endless blood feud they would normally have fought over an eye.

A man before had no limits on how he might abuse and divorce his wife--the Mosaic Law set limits. The same was true of slavery--the Mosaic Law set limits where before there had been none.

Have you read the OT regarding how the sons of Jacob destroyed an entire city after their sister was date-raped by the city's prince? Under the Mosaic Law, that would have been prohibited. The man would have been able to marry her as he desired (and she, by that time, because she was being offered the life of a princess).

The law did not attempt to bring them to moral perfection--at that point in time, they could not have been brought to moral perfection. That was left for a later covenant that would require a higher degree of performance.

There is not a moral dilemma. The Church wasn't built in a day.

If the Mosaic Law's legal penalties were to moderate the Bronze Age brutality of ancient Israel, why did its harsh punishments exist even after the Bronze Age was over? Jesus was alive in the 1st century AD, when the Bronze Age was over, and women were still being stoned for adultery. The Bible doesnt say that God intended the Mosaic Law to only exist for a certain amount of years in Israel.

The Sanhedrin (Jewish government) and animal sacrifices in the temple were part of the Old Covenant, and they existed until 70AD, so I assume the legal penalties of Leviticus existed after Christ's death and the New Covenant being created.

 

[Gunny]

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord"

Isaiah 55:8
NIV

 

[Sammy-San]

Jesus said angels do not procreate. There are not female or baby angels. They were all created by the hand of God and are a higher order of being than we are. They are spiritual and we are fleshly.

This is the kind of thing you read in the tabloids. The history channel actually has shows about this with ancient aliens. Just more propaganda to dupe the masses.

If the Caananites were not Nephilim or human-angel hybrids, what was peculiar about the historical context of the OT, that made God order certain things in the OT?

ALoveDivine said that the reasons God's people behaved differently in the OT than in the NT was because the OT took place in a "very specific and peculiar historical context". That explanation makes sense to me. But was so so different about the historical context of the OT, that made it different from other historical time periods?

 

[fozzy]

If the Caananites were not Nephilim or human-angel hybrids, what was peculiar about the historical context of the OT, that made God order certain things in the OT?

ALoveDivine said that the reasons God's people behaved differently in the OT than in the NT was because the OT took place in a "very specific and peculiar historical context". That explanation makes sense to me. But was so so different about the historical context of the OT, that made it different from other historical time periods?

The OT was a very different time. Men were barbaric and cruel, even men of God had these traits much more than today. They did not have the knowledge that we do and their lives were hard with every day being a struggle just for food and survival. Living our modern lives it's very hard to put ourselves in their shoes and understand the way they lived why they did what they did.

 

[trulyconverted]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

I am talking with some of our Muslim friends in the out reach section (the thread understanding Islam).

So there are some violent verses in Quran, and even though there are some openness in the verses (i.e. kill them, but if the repent, you can let them go), I pointed to some hadith and history to show Muhammad actually interpreted it much more like ISIS in Iraq and Syria (just not as bad).

However OT do have some verses that commands the killing of all people in a city. Even though there are many passage in OT that prevents revenge, many good rules, that one incident is hard to explain.

I even asked some of our Jewish friends on the forum, but all the answer I got is they are not sure, only God knows.

So do we have some experts on this that can have a proper explanation?

Thanks

I haven't read the other posts, just jumping in.

Possible reasons hybrids (nephilim etc.) or they were stiff necked people like those Israelites who died in the wilderness.?

Also addit: to the post about the angels... The bible says the sons of God left their former state and came down and chose who they want to wife among the daughters of men... (Yes... Fallen angels and not humans)

 

[Sammy-San]

Jesus said angels do not procreate. There are not female or baby angels. They were all created by the hand of God and are a higher order of being than we are. They are spiritual and we are fleshly.

This is the kind of thing you read in the tabloids. The history channel actually has shows about this with ancient aliens. Just more propaganda to dupe the masses.

But which verse of the Bible does God describe humans as being "sons of god"? When the Bible says "sons of god" it is referring to angelic beings.

 

[fozzy]

Oh can we please let this sons of God and their angel sex die an early death. When your ready to elevate the conversation above tabloid level, please let me know.

 

[Sammy-San]

Oh can we please let this sons of God and their angel sex die an early death. When your ready to elevate the conversation above tabloid level, please let me know.

Why are you accusing me of getting my information from tabloids? I got my facts regarding the sons of god, from Christian sites.