Christian Zionism - a modern-day heresy?

[random person]

In my humble opinion God's holy word is superior to my opinion:

"And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God".

Genesis 17:7-8
KJV

Oh really?

The Importance of Circumcision!

The Chosen Seed And Circumcision Part 1​

At this juncture, we must take note of a vital issue that is virtually ignored in the modern discussions about Israel and God's promises to her, and that is the subject of circumcision. It is all but impossible for moderns to appreciate the passion that this topic generated in the New Testament times. To Christians, circumcision is about hygiene; to the Jews it was about God's covenant. It was about being a child of God, their election by Him. It was about the Land. It was about the Temple. It was everything.

What Paul taught about circumcision was considered "the offense of the Cross" (Galatians 5:11), by the Jews and Judaizers. The Jews wanted to kill Paul for what he taught about circumcision. And what did Paul teach? He taught that, "If you become circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing"; "I testify to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law"; "In Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love" (Galatians 5:2-6). So what is the big deal about this? As just noted, we today cannot easily grasped why Paul's doctrine about circumcision would incite such violent reactions. The reason why we have such a difficult time appreciating this is because we are unfamiliar with the true meaning of covenant.

For brevity, we will list just a few of the main themes associated with circumcision in the mind of the Jews.

1.) Genesis 17:7-14 -- Circumcision and the Identity Of God's People.

When Jehovah called Abraham, He made a covenant of circumcision with him. The Lord told Abraham that if anyone was born in his house or a slave purchased by any of descendants was not circumcised, "he shall be cut off from the people" (Genesis 17:14). This meant he was to die.

Simply stated, no circumcision meant you were not of the Abrahamic seed, and if you were not of the Abrahamic seed, you were "outside". For Paul, prior to Christ, there were only two classifications of mankind, the circumcised and the uncircumcised, and the uncircumcised were, "aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in this world." (Ephesians 2:11f). To put it another way, no circumcision, no hope.

Now, if you had been taught, as a people, for 1,500+ years that circumcision was a sign of God's covenant with you, to identify you as His, and all of a sudden someone started saying that circumcision now meant nothing, how would you react? If this act identified you as a child of God, blessed above all people and now you were told that it no longer had any special significance in God's eyes, wouldn't you consider that man a heretic, a rabble-rouser and a revolutionary?

2.) Joshua 5 -- Circumcision and the Land.

As Joshua led the children of Israel to the borders of the promised land, it was realized that the men had not been circumcised. The generation that had come out of Egypt had died out, and failed to have their sons circumcised. As a result, Israel could not possess the land.. Joshua had all the men circumcised and God said: "This day have I rolled the approach of Egypt from you" (Joshua 5:9). Now if, even as a descendant of Abraham, you could not possess the land if you were not circumcised, how incredible was it for Paul to say, "Circumcision avails nothing." Covenantally, no circumcision meant no land. And now, Paul said circumcision avails nothing. The umbilical cord between circumcision and the Land was being cut by the gospel of the Messiah.

3.) Acts 21:27f -- Circumcision and the Temple.

In Acts, the Jews thought Paul had taken Trophimus, an uncircumcised Greek, into the Temple. A riot broke out, and Paul would literally have been killed on the spot had not the Roman commander rescued him. It will be remembered that although the Romans had removed the authority of capital punishment from Israel prior to this occasion, they had actually made exceptions in cases involving violation of the Temple. Thus, there were plaques placed all around the Temple complex, with inscriptions warning all Gentiles that to proceed past a certain point would result in their death.

The Temple was the most sacred place in the world. It was the center of the world for the Jews. The privilege of worshipping there was one of the greatest blessings in the world. Circumcision provided passage into those hallowed courts. Without circumcision, no one could enter its holy gates. No circumcision, no Temple privileges.

Considering these facets of Israel's identity, perhaps we can begin to have a basic grasp of the passion with which circumcision was viewed by the Jews of Paul's day. No circumcision placed one outside the covenants, outside the land, outside the city, outside of God's favor.

Is it any wonder why Paul considered such a heretic? Is it any wonder why the Jews sought to kill him? Is it any wonder why his gospel was such an offense to them? For Paul to argue that true circumcision is of the heart (Colossians 2:11-12), and belongs to those of faith, not of the flesh (Philippians 3:1-3), meant that God's election of national Israel was coming to a close. It meant that Israel was being re-defined along spiritual lines, as hinted at by the prophets, but never grasped by those focused on earthly things. It meant, positively, that the time of fulfillment had come, the time anticipated in Genesis 28 and 49 when the scepter would pass from Judah. This was truly good news, except to those who were mindful of the flesh and who trusted in the flesh (Philippians 3).

 

[random person]

The Chosen Seed And Circumcision Part 2​

What is the implications of Paul's doctrine of circumcision for the belief that national Israel remains God's chosen people? It is devastating. For Paul, the Abrahamic seed was now being determined by faith, not by circumcision, "Only those who are of faith are of Abraham" (Galatians 3:6f). This means that physical circumcision no longer determined if a person was of the Abrahamic line. How incredibly important.

Paul taught that in God's eyes the Abrahamic seed is no longer determined by the flesh and circumcision. How then can one speak of the restoration of national Israel as God's chosen people without rejecting Paul's gospel? Talk about a replacement theology!

Jesus said his word, his New Covenant wherein physical circumcision means nothing, would never pass away (Matthew 24:35). Well, if the gospel of Jesus will never pass away, and if the gospel message is that physical circumcision avails nothing with God, how can one teach that national Israel, identified by circumcision, will be restored? You cannot restore national Israel-identified by obedience to the Abrahamic Covenant of circumcision--to God's favor without annulling the Gospel of Jesus Christ that says, "Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything." The choice is clear. Circumcision means no Christ, but Christ means no circumcision. No circumcision means that all emphasis on ethnic identity, all claims to the Land and all emphasis on the City and Temple is nullified.

Thus, religiously, Israel is no longer Biblical Israel, because Jehhovah removed the Old Covenant, along with circumcision, the sacrifices, the temple, the priesthood, in AD 70. And ethnically, Israel is no longer Biblical Israel, because Jehovah destroyed the genealogical records in AD 70, and, the majority of those calling themselves Jews today, are atheists, or are of Gentile descent.

To make 1948, or any other modern time, the restoration of national Israel to God's favored position one must be willing to affirm the rejection and replacement of the blood bought gospel of Jesus Christ with the obsolete doctrine of circumcision. It is imperative that the modern evangelical world come to grips with these vital truths. The events of 1948 have nothing to do with Old Covenant Biblical Israel.

Israel 1948: Countdown To No Where pgs 45-48.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Isn't reviving this thread a case of thread necromancy?

This thread was dead for over six months.

Why revive it?

It's a zombie!

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Isn't reviving this thread a case of thread necromancy?

This thread was dead for over six months.

Why revive it?

It's a zombie!

Coincidentally, it was revived the same day I was reading John Chapter 11.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Oh really?

The Importance of Circumcision!

The Chosen Seed And Circumcision Part 1​

*snip*
Is it any wonder why Paul considered such a heretic? Is it any wonder why the Jews sought to kill him? Is it any wonder why his gospel was such an offense to them? For Paul to argue that true circumcision is of the heart (Colossians 2:11-12), and belongs to those of faith, not of the flesh (Philippians 3:1-3), meant that God's election of national Israel was coming to a close.
It meant that Israel was being re-defined along spiritual lines, as hinted at by the prophets, but never grasped by those focused on earthly things. It meant, positively, that the time of fulfillment had come, the time anticipated in Genesis 28 and 49 when the scepter would pass from Judah.

This was truly good news, except to those who were mindful of the flesh and who trusted in the flesh (Philippians 3).

Good news indeed!

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
JESUS AND PAUL VS THE CIRCUMCISION RULERS

Phil 3:
2 Beware of the Dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of-the circumcision!
3 For we are the circumcision, ones to Spirit of God worship, boasting in Christ Jesus, and not in flesh having confidence.

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7715971/
if you observe Circumcision, Christ will profit you nothing.




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[random person]

Good news indeed!

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
JESUS AND PAUL VS THE CIRCUMCISION RULERS

Phil 3:
2 Beware of the Dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of-the circumcision!
3 For we are the circumcision, ones to Spirit of God worship, boasting in Christ Jesus, and not in flesh having confidence.

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7715971/
if you observe Circumcision, Christ will profit you nothing.




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Great article, thanks!

I oppose the scriptural illiteracy of Christian Zionism at nearly every opportunity. Especially when someone resurrects this thread, heh.

I am glad the majority of the voters participating in this thread feel the same way as I do.

 

[random person]

If someone want to get some shocking dirt on the State of Israel I suggest these two books by Stephen Green, that the US biased news media would never touch and probably couldn't touch because these had long been classified documents flush with dirty stories. Between them they cover the periods just prior to 1948 and well into the 1980s. Even though they both are out of print they can be found as second hand readers copies fairly cheap on Amazon or Ebay.

What you will learn about the State of Israel in these books will chill you to the bones. Professor Stephen J Green researched recently declassified documents from the U.S. State Department on the State of Israel since its birth. Shocking true stories.

These are some of my personal Bibles on the State of Israel. This is not God's chosen nation anymore.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

If someone want to get some shocking dirt on the State of Israel I suggest these two books by Stephen Green, that the US biased news media would never touch and probably couldn't touch because these had long been classified documents flush with dirty stories. Between them they cover the periods just prior to 1948 and well into the 1980s. Even though they both are out of print they can be found as second hand readers copies fairly cheap on Amazon or Ebay.

What you will learn about the State of Israel in these books will chill you to the bones. Professor Stephen J Green researched recently declassified documents from the U.S. State Department on the State of Israel since its birth. Shocking true stories.

These are some of my personal Bibles on the State of Israel. This is not God's chosen nation anymore.

The massacres in Sabra and Shatilla should not be overlooked by anyone. A good deal of hatred towards Israel from Palestine might comes from these incidents alone.

 

[random person]

The massacres in Sabra and Shatilla should not be overlooked by anyone. A good deal of hatred towards Israel from Palestine might comes from these incidents alone.

Definitely, also mentioned is the attack upon the Liberty and incidents against US military peace forces in Beirut and other parts of Lebanon personal becoming casualties to IAF and IDF illegally used unexploded cluster bombs, IDF forces being belligerent with the US military forces by invading and/or crossing through US bases or areas of command without prior permission or clearance.

And get this, IDF forces compromising US forces by shining spotlights on their positions in order to intentionally expose their positions to potential Lebanese enemies and terrorists threats in the area.

These stories were documented first hand accounts by US soldiers and commanders themselves.

These books have a lot important things to say that never were leaked to the public.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Definitely, also mentioned is the attack upon the Liberty and incidents against US military peace forces in Beirut and other parts of Lebanon personal becoming casualties to IAF and IDF illegally used unexploded cluster bombs, IDF forces being belligerent with the US military forces by invading and/or crossing through US bases or areas of command without prior permission or clearance.

And get this, IDF forces compromising US forces by shining spotlights on their positions in order to intentionally expose their positions to potential Lebanese enemies and terrorists threats in the area.

These stories were documented first hand accounts by US soldiers and commanders themselves.

These books have a lot important things to say that never were leaked to the public.

Considering what happened to them during the Holocaust, a mere generation later and they act in such a manner that is reminiscent of their same oppressors, not totally, but closely. Then again all it takes is a reading of the OT to see that they have a very short memory span and quickly forget. I do not hate jews, they've suffered a lot for probably 3,000 years. There is no excuse for their behavior. It is like they are releasing the tension of 3,000 years of oppression and frustration upon innocent Palestinians caught in their crossfire between the PLO, and now the HAMAS. They obviously need the Light of Christ to guide them.

Edit: I want to make it clear I also condemn the PLO's and HAMAS violent actions towards Israel. I do not view them as "freedom fighters" in the no way possible. I view them as thugs using the palestinian's plight as an excuse to vent anti-jewish hatred.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Considering what happened to them during the Holocaust, a mere generation later and they act in such a manner that is reminiscent of their same oppressors, not totally, but closely. Then again all it takes is a reading of the OT to see that they have a very short memory span and quickly forget. I do not hate jews, they've suffered a lot for probably 3,000 years. There is no excuse for their behavior. It is like they are releasing the tension of 3,000 years of oppression and frustration upon innocent Palestinians caught in their crossfire between the PLO, and now the HAMAS. They obviously need the Light of Christ to guide them.

If someone tried to firebomb your house everyday, and they hid behind the neighbors house across the street, and the cops did nothing about it, would you not feel frustrated as well?

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

If someone tried to firebomb your house everyday, and they hid behind the neighbors house across the street, and the cops did nothing about it, would you not feel frustrated as well?

Read my edit.

 

[random person]

Oh, the Palestinian and Jew problem is so messy and complex.

But I will add, the Palestinians had nothing to do with the European Holocaust and they have as much right if not more to that land than the Jews. They weren't responsible for the European Holocaust, they weren't even on the same continent.

America and England did not want to open their borders to the Jewish refugees during WWII, and even than the Zionists were adamant about Palestine as their homeland.

To sum it all up, there has been a lot more innocent Palestinian blood spilt than innocent Jewish blood spilt. The Palestinians have lost a lot of land, agriculture, ancestral homes, and have endured the longest military occupation in the world now entering its 48th year.

Furthermore, Palestinians are the largest and longest suffering group of refugees in the world. One in three refugees world wide is Palestinian. There are about 7.2 million Palestinian refugees worldwide.

Palestinian extremists commits acts of terrorism against innocent Jews.

The State Of Israel deals out corporate punishment (or state terrorism) in return, usually wounding and killing more innocent Palestinians than baddies.

My 0.02, the Palestinians are getting the worst of it. Don't listen to the nutjob garden variety Christian Zionist televangelists, they are deep in Israeli and AIPAC pockets.

 

[random person]

Here is a great article:

Aiding and Abetting the Man of Sin?


Published Date Written by Don Preston​

Question: Would you purposely give your money to someone that you knew was hell-bent on committing genocide? Would you sacrificially commit yourself financially to support an organization whose one desire in life was the opposition to God?

I am confident that most people would recoil in horror at the thought of purposefully encouraging or supporting anyone or any organization with such horrid, inhumane goals. And yet, that is precisely what hundreds of thousands of Bible believers are doing every year! Now, I know that this claim is shocking to a lot of people, but, please bear with me as I explain.

So called Bible prophecy experts such as Randall Price, Grant Jeffrey, Tim LaHaye, Thomas Ice, Jack Van Impe, Benny Hinn, John Hagee and a host of others ardently encourage their followers to send money to either their ministry, or to Israel. Why? They do so because, as Price and Ice wrote some years ago, they believe that Israel is Ready To Rebuild The Imminent Plans to Rebuild the Last Days Temple. (Thomas Ice and Randall Price, (Eugene, Or. Harvest House, 1992). Price then followed that with The Battle for the Last Days Temple ( (Eugene, Or. Harvest House, 2004), and then his massive The Temple and Bible Prophecy, 2005). Other dispensational authors have written books with similar themes: it is time, say they, to rebuild the Jerusalem temple!

These men all tell the often gullible audience that all the signs for the rebuilding of the temple are present around us today. We are in the last days, we are told. (See my The Last Days Identified book that totally debunks the idea that we are in the last days). Of course, the claims that there are signs everywhere that the end is near is a blatant contradiction in the millennial scheme, for according to many of the leading dispensationalists, there are no signs of the end! We will address this issue at another time, but for the moment, let’s focus on the efforts to rebuild the Jerusalem temple.

Here is what you need to know about the dispensational schema:

At the rapture, the Christian age (which of course the Bible says has no end, DKP!) comes to an end. The church is removed from the earth, and God resumes His dealings with Israel.

The man of sin suddenly appears and convinces Israel to sign a peace treaty with her enemies. This peace treaty supposedly initiates the seven year “Tribulation Period.”

Then, during three and a half years of peace, “Judaism is revived, and traditional sacrifices and ceremonies are re-instituted in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.” (Thomas Ice and Timothy Demy, Prophecy Watch, (Eugene, Or., 1998 )60).

At the end of the 3 ½ year peace, the Man of Sin breaks his treaty with Israel and embarks on a persecution of Israel. This Man of Sin is to be the most evil person who has ever lived. The Great Tribulation that he initiates will result in the death of 2/3rds of all Jews and 3/5ths of all humans on the face of the earth! Think about that, will you? As some millennialists have said, this makes the atrocities committed by Hitler out to be like a picnic in the park! The suffering, the horror, the evil perpetrated by the Man of Sin is unprecedented and unparalleled in history. He is in fact, the very personification of evil.

So, here is what you need to know: The Man of Sin is the key figure that will (ostensibly) bring about the building of the Jerusalem temple. This temple– which can rightfully be called the temple of the Man of Sin since he is the one that authorizes it – is the temple that dispensationalists say is next on the prophetic agenda! This is not something that the dispensational teachers like to advertise, for obvious reasons. They just like to say how much they love Israel, and how important it is to support Israel. They do not tell you that right now, if you send your money to Israel for the rebuilding of a future temple, that you will be aiding and abetting the Man of Sin!!

DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM HERE?

Dispensationalists are asking you, urging you, to send your money to Israel so that they can then enter into a peace treaty (supposedly very soon!) with the Man of Sin so that, “Judaism can be revived, and traditional sacrifices and ceremonies re-instituted in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.”
You are being asked to aid and abet the future efforts of the Man of Sin, the most evil human that has ever lived on the face of the earth.

You are being asked to send your money to Israel so that when that Evil One appears, they can enter into covenant with him!

You are being urged to financially support a theology that eagerly preaches and anticipates Israel’s cooperation with a man hell-bent on destroying them, and YOU in the Great Tribulation!

I find it very difficult to believe that good, honest, God loving believers would willingly support such a theology– if they actually realized what the doctrine entails.

It is time for everyone to know the facts about what Dispensationalism actually teaches, and it is not truth!

Aiding and Abetting the Man of Sin? - Eschatology.org

 

[random person]

Please listen to the passionate message from author/journalist Max Blumenthal:

Please listen to this message it is only around 40 minutes of your time and then it proceeds to an excellent Q&A session.

 

[Alive_Again]

But I will add, the Palestinians had nothing to do with the European Holocaust and they have as much right if not more to that land than the Jews. They weren't responsible for the European Holocaust, they weren't even on the same continent.

America and England did not want to open their borders to the Jewish refugees during WWII, and even than the Zionists were adamant about Palestine as their homeland.

I'm glad this is a Christian forum. There's no question at all about God owning everything and man is to to steward it.

God told ABRAHAM that the land was for him and his seed. Those so-called "Zionists" are the physical seed of Abraham. They Jews are the only ones with any right to the land. Everyone else in the world is operating in a form of blind ignorance to that promise. If they weren't, Bibi would just quote Genesis to the United Nations, and they'd all go: "OH! I didn't realize that!" -- But they are ignorant, many willfully ignorant of the promise.

It doesn't matter if the Palestinians or the Romans or the Babylonians or the Assyrians squatting on the land (by temporary permission) didn't cause the holocaust in WWII, it IS the Jews God given right to that land. They don't have to offer up a "quarter" to the Arabs, and if you saw a map of the land Abraham walked across, it includes a whole lot more than what they have today. One day, they will have it ALL.

It is shameful that the Allies were more mindful of the Ottomanl people than the Jews before WWII. But in spite of what the world perpetuates on the Jews (by curse), God has not forgotten the apple of His eye (the "Zionists"). He supports their rights. I can't wait to see what He's going to do about the Iranians because it can't wait too much longer. Don't you agree?

 

[random person]

I'm glad this is a Christian forum. There's no question at all about God owning everything and man is to to steward it.

God told ABRAHAM that the land was for him and his seed. Those so-called "Zionists" are the physical seed of Abraham. They Jews are the only ones with any right to the land. Everyone else in the world is operating in a form of blind ignorance to that promise. If they weren't, Bibi would just quote Genesis to the United Nations, and they'd all go: "OH! I didn't realize that!" -- But they are ignorant, many willfully ignorant of the promise.

It doesn't matter if the Palestinians or the Romans or the Babylonians or the Assyrians squatting on the land (by temporary permission) didn't cause the holocaust in WWII, it IS the Jews God given right to that land. They don't have to offer up a "quarter" to the Arabs, and if you saw a map of the land Abraham walked across, it includes a whole lot more than what they have today. One day, they will have it ALL.

It is shameful that the Allies were more mindful of the Ottomanl people than the Jews before WWII. But in spite of what the world perpetuates on the Jews (by curse), God has not forgotten the apple of His eye (the "Zionists"). He supports their rights. I can't wait to see what He's going to do about the Iranians because it can't wait too much longer. Don't you agree?

So you still believe anyone that is not circumcised will be cut off from the Covenant (Genesis 17:14 c.f. Colossians 3:11)?

So you still believe only Levites can be high priests of God (not members of the other tribes of Israel and certainly not Gentiles, Deut. 18)?

So you still believe all must worship God at Jerusalem, at the Temple (c.f. John 4:20-24)?

So you still believe animal sacrifices are necessary for atonement of sins (c.f. Hebrews 10:4; Hebrews 10:10-12)?

So you still believe a Temple in Jerusalem is still necessary (c.f. Hebrews 9:11-12; Hebrews 9:24; Hebrews 10:19-21)?

So you still believe the Old Covenant is still standing (c.f. Hebrews 8:7-10; Hebrews 8:13)?

Most assuredly, Christian Zionism blasphemes Christ Himself (Hebrews 10:28-29) and is heretical!

 

[random person]

The apostate theology of Christian Zionism denies God made good on His land promises to Abraham:

Joshua 21:43-45

Joshua 23:14-15

2 Samuel 8:3

1 Kings 4:21

1 Chronicles 18:3

2 Chronicles 9:26

Nehemiah 9:8

Jeremiah 11:5


God fulfilled His land promise to Abraham of Genesis 15:18-21 already. See the verses listed above. The Old Covenant has been destroyed along with its land promises, its law requirements, and its required circumcisions (Genesis 17:14 c.f. Colossians 3:11). There are no more land promises with the absence of the Law and the absence of circumcision. Only requirement to be a child of Abraham today is to have faith in Christ (Galatians 3:23-29; Galatians 6:15-16).

The State of Israel is not biblical Israel. All nations, tribes, and tongues have been assimiliated into the Israel of God. The State of Israel is a false sign and lying wonder, a modern day counterfeit deception being pulled on Christians.

Jews have no more right to that land than anyone else including the Palestinians. Remember both obedience to the Law and obedience to the Circumcision is what had originally given the Jews the right to the Land. Without these two anymore, there are no more Land rights for the Jews. The Land promises were bound to both observance of the Law and observance of Circumcision.

 

[Alive_Again]

The Jews are who they are because of how God sees them; because of the promises He made to them. There's no question that without Jesus, they won't be getting into Heaven, but in spite of their adherence to the Law, as they are able to meet it, God has still promises to restore them and bless other who bless them.

It's not about that they believe wrong. The whole "heresy" thing being hoisted on a group for believing wrong does not put them in a position where God doesn't love them anymore.

They were trying to mix Law with grace in the Bible, yet God didn't disown them for believing wrong. A Jewish-Christian sect called the Nazarenes were popular. They were a mixture as well. Fortunately, it isn't like the early church, where they thought it would send you to Hell for believing some "wrong things". A lot of violence in the name of God was prepetuated for centuries for that stronghold. If you believe in Jesus as the door and His Blood for your atonement, and endeavor to please Him, you stand better than the rest of the world.

Without a doubt, cults minister entirely the wrong spirit, even to some true believers taken by their error. But as far as being Jews in Israel, and having a right to the land, that is without contradiction. They do need to be converted and receive the Lord if they haven't yet, but they have their lifetime to make that right.

 

[random person]

The Jews are who they are because of how God sees them; because of the promises He made to them. There's no question that without Jesus, they won't be getting into Heaven, but in spite of their adherence to the Law, as they are able to meet it, God has still promises to restore them and bless other who bless them.

It's not about that they believe wrong. The whole "heresy" thing being hoisted on a group for believing wrong does not put them in a position where God doesn't love them anymore.

They were trying to mix Law with grace in the Bible, yet God didn't disown them for believing wrong. A Jewish-Christian sect called the Nazarenes were popular. They were a mixture as well. Fortunately, it isn't like the early church, where they thought it would send you to Hell for believing some "wrong things". A lot of violence in the name of God was prepetuated for centuries for that stronghold. If you believe in Jesus as the door and His Blood for your atonement, and endeavor to please Him, you stand better than the rest of the world.

Without a doubt, cults minister entirely the wrong spirit, even to some true believers taken by their error. But as far as being Jews in Israel, and having a right to the land, that is without contradiction. They do need to be converted and receive the Lord if they haven't yet, but they have their lifetime to make that right.

Jews must observe two things in order to possess the promised land -- circumcision and the Law.

And they would never be regathered in disobedient, apostate condition. God NEVER promised to regather them in disobedience. As you may or may not realize, the Jews residing in the State of Israel are by majority, secular and atheists.

But now, there is no more circumcision and there is no more Law which means there is no more rights to the Land.

The Land was a shadow of Heaven. In other words, the Kingdom of Heaven is the promises of the Land realized. The Land was a typology for the Kingdom of Heaven.

The Land promises were temporary. Now all Jews and Gentiles everywhere are called on to seek the Kingdom of God. Not to seek a piece of real estate in the Middle East. Not to destablize peace in the Middle East.

Yes, the Jews too are commanded to seek Heaven, not to seek the promised Land. Jesus consistantly taught to seek that which does not rust and errode. The Eternal Kingdom.

Christ Zionists are under a powerful delusion but proper rendering of the New Covenant can cure this. The State of Israel is genuinely a false sign and lying wonder that has bewitched many Christians today. It is not helped by the fact so many Christians tune-in to televangelism which universally pushes Christian Zionism on its viewers.

Only those that approach God with faith in Christ are only the children of Abraham.