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OH thank you ! I have been watching George Soros for a long time now and haven't ever believed it was BHO.... but I better revisit that in prayer .. thanks Guys!
i still think it is a money system also. yep 666 is one of those Aleph and tav..as his breath is , and has many meanings.
thanks guys! very interesting!

Think of Soros as Gilpetto and O'Bama as his Finochio. They may be joined at the ................................, oh never mind.

BHO? What am I missing? We read Hebrew from right to left. I'm cornfused. :confused:

Yes. But remember, Soros spelled backwards spells soroS.:)
 
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Yes Chavak I did say that. I was a Jew who was raised Christian as a boy.

Do my genetics still count on this forum?? Good grief.

I don't think we should worry about the genetics, but being raised Christian does explain a lot about your paradigms.
 
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Each manuscript that had 616 were refuted in the 1st and 2nd century.

There was no time to "refute" anything in the first century since Revelation was not published until there was only 6 (or less) years left in that century. (94-96 ad)
 
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There was no time to "refute" anything in the first century since Revelation was not published until there was only 6 (or less) years left in that century. (94-96 ad)

And the first and second centuries did even exist until the monk Dionysius Exiguus invented the current year numbering system in 525, or the sixth century.
 
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There was no time to "refute" anything in the first century since Revelation was not published until there was only 6 (or less) years left in that century. (94-96 ad)

I disagree. Though I agree that most was done in the 2nd century. I maintain that John penned the Revelation around 67AD. I believe I posted my rational behind this dater earlier. If not then I will post it shortly.
 
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Establishing the Authorship Date of Revelation Yeshua/Jesus and Judaism versus Paul and Christianity

When it comes to the date of 96 A.D. that scholars point to, all of them rest the entirety of their case on a single short and obscure statement made by Eusebius in the early fourth century where he quoted a lost, late second century document of Irenaeus. Here are the supposed end-all-debate words of Eusebius and his quote of Irenaeus.

“In this persecution, it is handed down by tradition, that the apostle and evangelist John, who was yet living, in consequence of his testimony to the divine word, was condemned to dwell on the island of Patmos. Irenaeus, indeed, in his fifth book against the heresies, …speaks in the following manner respecting him; ‘If, however, it were necessary to proclaim the name of the Anti-Christ, … it would have been declared by him who saw the revelation, for it is not long since it was seen, but almost in our own generation, at the close of Domitian’s reign.’” (Eusebius, III, XVII)

It should be pointed out that there is some degree of uncertainty as to Eusebius’s understanding of who Irenaeus was referring to here. Was it Domitian, or Domitius (Nero)? It is interesting to note that where the book of Revelation is included in the Syriac versions of the Bible, it is entitled “The Revelation which was made by God to John the evangelist in the island of Patmos, into which he was thrown by Nero Caesar.”

Even if Irenaeus had indicated that the Revelation was given to John later during Domitian’s reign, one must ask how much doctrinal stock they want to put in a man who was well known for making fantastic errors in dates and times. Irenaeus also taught, for example, that Yahshua was crucified at fifty years of age! (See Irenaeus Against Heresies, chapter 22) There is also the fact to consider that Irenaeus, like most Christian scholars, was a loyal fan of Paul and might have been well aware of the implications against him if the Revelation proved to have been written some thirty years earlier.

Irenaeus’ few words as quoted by Eusebius are all that exist for outside evidence that Revelation was written very late in the first century. That’s it! There is nothing more! Nada! All scholars who opt for the later date must ultimately rest the entirety of their case on these few obscure and unreliable words of Irenaeus.

There is however within the book of Revelation considerable evidence that clearly indicates it was written before the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D. If recognized academic credentials are of any value to the reader, scholars who have argued for this earlier time period include; David E. Aune, Ph.D. ; A. Tholuck, D.D. ; and J.A.T. Robinson, Ph.D. just to name a few.

There is also internal evidence that can pinpoint the time of John’s vision to early 67 A.D. In chapter 11, John is told to measure the temple of God.

Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will trample the holy city under foot—forty two months.” Revelation 11:1-2

The temple that is spoken of here is without question the earthly temple in Jerusalem and not to be confused with the temple “in heaven” spoken of later. This should be obvious in light of the fact that “the holy city” (Jerusalem) was going to be “trampled”. The one in heaven will never be “trampled”.

Not only does this indicate that at the time of John’s vision the temple had not yet been destroyed, but the interpretation of “forty-two months” is open to debate and could actually pin point the time of John’s vision. Did the angel mean that Jerusalem would be given to the Gentiles and trampled for a period of forty-two months? Most English translations interject the word “for” into the text, but it is not found in the Greek manuscripts and is the reason why some translations italicize the word. Or, could the angel have indicated that the city would fall in forty-two months time from the showing of the prophecy to John and then be trampled by the Gentiles … possibly for a much longer period of time? This second interpretation where Jerusalem is predicted to fall in a given time and then is trampled for a much longer period of time dovetails perfectly with what Yahshua prophesied in Luke 21:20-24 …not to mention the facts of history.

“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.”

The facts of history are that Jerusalem fell and the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. Jerusalem was trampled by the Gentiles for at least 1,897 years until 1967 when it was retaken by Israel in the six day war. One could argue that Jerusalem is still being trampled by the Gentiles in light of the fact that Islamic mosques continue to occupy the temple site! Either way the point is made. Jerusalem has been trampled for a very long time. And considering the fact that there is no historical reconciliation of a short forty-two month long trampling of Jerusalem, we must conclude that the angel meant Jerusalem would fall in 42 months time from when he showed John the vision. Jerusalem was besieged by Rome shortly after Passover in 70 A.D. and fell several months later. Forty-two months before then would have been early 67 A.D. …right at the time of the Neronian persecution!
 
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Except Nero did not send people to remote islands in exile. He just killed them off.

Domitan sent well over a thousand into exile and Patmos was one of the islands he used. They were sent away due to a variety of reasons including blasphemy against the Roman "gods" and political opposition. The Senate reversed those exile orders only after his death in 96 ad.

I have no time to argue this preterist non-sense.
 
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Except Nero did not send people to remote islands in exile. He just killed them off.

Domitan sent well over a thousand into exile and Patmos was one of the islands he used. They were sent away due to a variety of reasons including blasphemy against the Roman "gods" and political opposition. The Senate reversed those exile orders only after his death in 96 ad.

I have no time to argue this preterist non-sense.

Well. I am not a preterits. I would search out that title a little more before you go labeling people. I simply have a differing view on the date of John's revelation than you. If you don't have anything intelligent to say on the matter then have a good day.
 
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To date the ONLY people I have come across who support an earlier than 90 ad date for John's writings are preterists. (and for them it is a matter of grave concern as they believe the Lord returned in 70 ad). How can you have a book fortelling something that happened 20 years ago?

I apologize for my rash conclusion.
 
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To date the ONLY people I have come across who support an earlier than 90 ad date for John's writings are preterists. (and for them it is a matter of grave concern as they believe the Lord returned in 70 ad). How can you have a book fortelling something that happened 20 years ago?

I apologize for my rash conclusion.

If you read my post. You would see that there are qualified Bible Scholars who date the revelation to 67. Also, the letter itself confirms the logic behind this conclusion.

The logic that your opinion is based on was made by Eusebius alone. One of the worst historians to ever live. He is also the same man who propped up Constantine in his efforts to abolish the whole Torah. Of course Eusebius has a little invested in his date for Revelation. He was protecting Paul's letters which were crucial for establishing a hybrid pagan/christian nation.
 
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20-5-200-5-2 = בּהרהכ = 235
50-10-5-300-6-5 = הוּשׂהינ = 376
5-40-5-2-6 = וֹבּהמה = 58

666

It should be noted that most names on the planate could not even be factored into Hebrew gammatria. Only Semitic names could produce true results. If any want to see how the phonetics were determined just ask.

Regarding the elections:

The anti -messiah's kingdom is in the Mid-East. He will either continue to control it from the US or he will leave and control it from somewhere else (possibly the Mid East). The Tanakh is clear that his kingdom is a Middle eastern kingdom, however it is often forgotten that the anti-messiah will be the beast from the "sea" as opposed to the beast from the earth (which I believe to be the Pope). Christianity and Islam are about to unite in the upcoming years. Get your mind right!
 
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To date the ONLY people I have come across who support an earlier than 90 ad date for John's writings are preterists. (and for them it is a matter of grave concern as they believe the Lord returned in 70 ad). How can you have a book fortelling something that happened 20 years ago?

I apologize for my rash conclusion.

No worries. I really do appreciate the iron sharpening. I am open to changing my view. I'm not sure I understand your question here :

"how can you have a book foretelling something that happened 20 years ago?"

Maybe we are not understanding each others positions on this.
 
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12“And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write:
The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this:

13‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. Rev 2: 12-13

So where is satan's seat today?

Berlin’s Pergamon Museum closes for 5 years | Joel's Trumpet
 
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We do not write Barack Hussein Obama as בהרהכ הושהינ ובהמה. It's written as ברק חוסיין אובמה. What you've written isn't Hebrew, except for the last word, which means "and a beast."
 
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We do not write Barack Hussein Obama as בהרהכ הושהינ ובהמה. It's written as ברק חוסיין אובמה. What you've written isn't Hebrew, except for the last word, which means "and a beast."

Now you have gone and spoiled the story.
 
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We do not write Barack Hussein Obama as בהרהכ הושהינ ובהמה. It's written as ברק חוסיין אובמה. What you've written isn't Hebrew, except for the last word, which means "and a beast."
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20-5-200-5-2 = בּהרהכ = 235
50-10-5-300-6-5 = הוּשׂהינ = 376
5-40-5-2-6 = וֹבּהמה = 58

666

It should be noted that most names on the planate could not even be factored into Hebrew gammatria. Only Semitic names could produce true results. If any want to see how the phonetics were determined just ask.

Regarding the elections:

The anti -messiah's kingdom is in the Mid-East. He will either continue to control it from the US or he will leave and control it from somewhere else (possibly the Mid East). The Tanakh is clear that his kingdom is a Middle eastern kingdom, however it is often forgotten that the anti-messiah will be the beast from the "sea" as opposed to the beast from the earth (which I believe to be the Pope). Christianity and Islam are about to unite in the upcoming years. Get your mind right!

I am going to try and explain part of this. as best I can..

well there is another peice that history well most just doesn' t know .
I tried to explain it some of it in my thread about science and racism.

but the heart of the sea I think it what was once part of north america ( sort of ) . but Joshua's long day or Hezekiahs 10 steps sandwiched our NEW world.." and the eye shaped world of islands were rearranged.. and sea floors were raised ( like our plains are salted sea floor that is why there is no trees .. ) by those events the extra water drained into what is now the Atlantic. So turtle island was moved then it drained and is now two islands/continents not many many Islands .

what was the heart of the sea? Before Joshua long day and or before Hezekiah 10 steps .
I think. is what is now called

Caphtor / Keftiu sp? is a city/ state/ land of the tribes of Attalus / Atlas / or Elishah Tarshish Rodan and KIttim..
events which effected Islands which the events came to be known as yes.
Atlantis etc.. but that is the wrong word .

I would be so interested to see his mothers lineage to see what that looks like a few generations back. even mtDna would tell a lot of info... and yes( Palestinians( some are Philistines and Phoenicians and canaanites ) belongs in that world and were SEA People left there after the events which completely change the configuration and the whole economics of the whole as was known then. Sea tribes with the Israelite tribes and Solomon who were sea people too .. before the world was rearranged to what we understand the world to be configured as now.

so yes Heart of the sea would be around the Med Or is either north Africa and or Appalachian mountains.. their parts was smooshed up together north ward .. our part was smoothed north and west and mostly toward the northwest. and some of northern brazil and all of the Caribean are part of an island which was in the middle more ..

the largest peices or parts of that larger island is now goes all the way to the ohio and the mississippi river. I think. . and everything around that was another line of islands going all the way down into Texas and out to brazil and up through and into NY and out that way . but brazil and parts of North africa that part got broken and separated .

what is the heart of the sea NOW ? now ? I don't know . but it is inportant to know because it is also about the end times..

but these verse.. is interesting and like I said I sure would like to know his moms's real linage.

Eze 28:2
Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

or another version says

Eze 28:2
“Son of man, say to the ruler of Tyre, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: “ ‘In the pride of your heart you say, “I am a god; I sit on the throne of a god in the heart of the seas.” But you are a mere mortal and not a god, though you think you are as wise as a god.

Eze 28:8
They will bring you down to the pit, and you will die a violent death in the heart of the seas.


( Jon 1:3
But Jonah ran away from the LORD and headed for Tarshish. He went down to Joppa, where he found a ship bound for that port. After paying the fare, he went aboard and sailed for Tarshish to flee from the LORD.)
Jon 2:3
You hurled me into the depths, into the very heart of the seas, and the currents swirled about me; all your waves and breakers swept over me.

so the Heart of the sea might be near to Tarshish that TARSHISH THAT Jonah knew of , Might be this same ,as the heart of the sea King of Tyrus/Tyre ..

and I know but can't prove the home land of Tarshish was here someplace. because it was in the western sea or in the center of the seas. but now everything is all smooshed up. and what they point to as Tyre isn't even Tyre either.

so I can't prove how ever it is because whole world was smooshed into and onto itself . but the home lands of maybe Tyre or maybe Elishah , I think it is Rockwall texas. of course I can't prove it.

Ooparts & Ancient High Technology--Evidence of Noah's Flood?--Page 22
or maybe

Hiking in Fort Mountain State Park, Georgia | Loomis Adventures | Camping, Hiking, Fishing, Mountaineering, Hunting, & Other Outdoor Adventures
OR THE HOPEWELL OHIO WORKS.. but these are all places of sea People tribes.


we had lots of islands that are now only two continents. so it is very hard to figure out what was where just 3200 years ago . but no scientist asks the right questions, to give any sort of answers to reality .. and I can only piece stuff together from stories just so much without us being in those places to see it.

native american Serpent mound and the picts Rhyniestone record these events best.
the heart of the sea as best I can figure is north african or north americans Carolinas or between them and brazil. which mean the Caribbean . so watch those areas. and pray about that .
 
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