New Testament Promises of Israel’s Restoration

[Rev20]

Not even one of the scriptures you quoted even hints at an idea that a promise made to Israel no longer applies unless it is repeated in the New Testament.

Not even the last one?

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" -- Heb 1:1-2​

If Christ is heir of all things, what is left to inherit for those claiming to be Israel, Biblewriter? This is, unless Christ decides to give them some of HIS inheritance, which he will if they repent and quit blaspheming his Holy name:

"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." -- Gal 3:29​

Whether or not you said these precise words is immaterial. That is the true effect of the doctrine you systematically teach. I do not "interpret" the promises made to Israel. I simple believe them.

You can believe what you want to believe.
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You are ignoring the many promises made to Israel after it had rebelled and its judgment had been pronounced. They were repeatedly promised a restoration that has never taken place. And that promise was explicitly stated in very plain words, again and again. And it is simple falsehood to deny this.

The restoration took place under the decree of Cyrus. I don't see how it could be any clearer than this statement by Ezra:

"And the children of Israel, which were come again out of captivity, and all such as had separated themselves unto them from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek the Lord God of Israel, did eat, And kept the feast of unleavened bread seven days with joy: for the Lord had made them joyful, and turned the heart of the king of Assyria unto them, to strengthen their hands in the work of the house of God, the God of Israel." -- Ezra 6:21-22 KJV​

I don't recall Judah being carried away captive by the Assyrians. Isaiah emphasized the role of Cyrus in this passage:

"Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut; I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel. For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me." -- Isa 45:1-4​

Israel and Judah were rejoined under the decree of Cyrus, the Lord's anointed one.


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[Biblewriter]

Not even the last one?

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" -- Heb 1:1-2​

If Christ is heir of all things, what is left to inherit for those claiming to be Israel, Biblewriter? This is, unless Christ decides to give them some of HIS inheritance, which he will if they repent and quit blaspheming his Holy name:

"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." -- Gal 3:29​

You can believe what you want to believe.
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The restoration took place under the decree of Cyrus. I don't see how it could be any clearer than this statement by Ezra:

"And the children of Israel, which were come again out of captivity, and all such as had separated themselves unto them from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek the Lord God of Israel, did eat, And kept the feast of unleavened bread seven days with joy: for the Lord had made them joyful, and turned the heart of the king of Assyria unto them, to strengthen their hands in the work of the house of God, the God of Israel." -- Ezra 6:21-22 KJV​

I don't recall Judah being carried away captive by the Assyrians. Isaiah emphasized the role of Cyrus in this passage:

"Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut; I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel. For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me." -- Isa 45:1-4​

Israel and Judah were rejoined under the decree of Cyrus, the Lord's anointed one.


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This restoration at the time of Cyrus never included even the major portion of "the house of Israel," much less absolutely all of it, as explicitly promised in Ezekiel 36. And it never attained the borders explicitly defined in Ezekiel 47. So is is simple nonsense to claim that these promises were fulfilled at that time.

 

[Douggg]

To Doug and BW,
you might think what you're saying has the logic to it, but that's if 2P2P is valid. What anyone can tell from the NT is that it doesn't sound like futurism; there is far more excitement and attention about what was already here in Christ.

Our pal OTimer likes to say 'it all comes down to Israel.' That is how you sound. It is totally the opposite of how the NT sounds. The NT breaks away from Judaism; 2P2P continues it.

Raising the question again of the veil (note Rev20: a veil is a head covering; a vail is a valley!). What does the veil do, that is mentioned in 2 Cor? It makes people think that Judaism has the promises right. BWs over the top language about being explicit and 'nothing even comes close to shifting these promises in the NT' is...well...the veiled view. This situation is pretty much the same issue as Christ telling the temple leaders "you search the Scriptures because you think the messianic life is in them." (It is--in the following sense "It is these that testify of me." I think this is why this severe language comes out of BW whenever we get to this point. It's been this way for 2 years.

Inter's right. You use logic...and we will counter with 2P2P just like Napoleon countered Wellington's cavalry with his lancers....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vlcuvrM1po

But Napoleon lost...

Really?..........

It doesn't matter. Because even if James uses the word "explicitly" fifteen million times, exercising his first Amendment free speech rights to the Constitution......

What do you mean ?....

.......the masons founded this country, and everyone knows that Adam Weishaupt a Jew used the masons to create dispensationalism 2P2P.

You need to put the funnel down Alfafa, too much cheap wine...

You think ?........

Yeah, well, no matter what you futurists say, we counter with 2P2P, its our battle cry, like John Horton said "sink the Bismark is the battle cry that shook the seven seas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1Ufc2hI4FM

And the Bismark was sunk to the bottom of the ocean in 70 AD?......

Darn right, just put on the scuba and check it out for yourself.

Oh brother.....

 

[Douggg]

Rev 20 wrote: Israel and Judah were rejoined under the decree of Cyrus, the Lord's anointed one

No, the land of Israel at the time of Jesus was divided up into three regions, Galilee, Samaria, Judea.

 

[Biblewriter]

To Doug and BW,
you might think what you're saying has the logic to it, but that's if 2P2P is valid. What anyone can tell from the NT is that it doesn't sound like futurism; there is far more excitement and attention about what was already here in Christ.

Our pal OTimer likes to say 'it all comes down to Israel.' That is how you sound. It is totally the opposite of how the NT sounds. The NT breaks away from Judaism; 2P2P continues it.

Raising the question again of the veil (note Rev20: a veil is a head covering; a vail is a valley!). What does the veil do, that is mentioned in 2 Cor? It makes people think that Judaism has the promises right. BWs over the top language about being explicit and 'nothing even comes close to shifting these promises in the NT' is...well...the veiled view. This situation is pretty much the same issue as Christ telling the temple leaders "you search the Scriptures because you think the messianic life is in them." (It is--in the following sense "It is these that testify of me." I think this is why this severe language comes out of BW whenever we get to this point. It's been this way for 2 years.

This imagined total lack of futurism in the New Testament is purely a product of your willful blindness. The New Testament is rife with futuristic statements that can only be transformed to circa AD 70 by wresting both the exact words of scripture and the recorded facts of history.

And John 5:36, which you pretended to quote, says nothing whatsoever about "the messianic life." It says "eternal life."

 

[KrAZeD]

Douggg, that was a pretty good episode sir, thanks for the laugh.

 

[Rev20]

This restoration at the time of Cyrus never included even the major portion of "the house of Israel," much less absolutely all of it, as explicitly promised in Ezekiel 36. And it never attained the borders explicitly defined in Ezekiel 47. So is is simple nonsense to claim that these promises were fulfilled at that time.

Only a very small remnant was promised a return, Biblewriter. Where did you get the word, "major"?


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[Interplanner]

And I was just reading Jesus answer about the disciples questions about John the Baptist, as to whether he was the one who was expected. Jesus uses lines from Isaiah to make his point. But the fulfillment is still what we would call "mere." We would normally look at that and say 'is that all?' Yet the lines from Isaiah are used to confirm that it was fufilled.

The upshot: fulfillment can be very minimal by our standards.

 

[Biblewriter]

Only a very small remnant was promised a return, Biblewriter. Where did you get the word, "major"?


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Because Ezekiel 36 very clearly stated that the return it is speaking of will be a return of absolutely all of "the house of Israel." And Isaiah 4:3 just as clearly stated that every one who is written among the living in Jerusalem will be called holy.

There is no way to even pretend that either of these has ever happened. Just as there is no way to even pretend that Israel ever had the borders so precisely defined in Ezekiel 47.

 

[ebedmelech]

Because Ezekiel 36 very clearly stated that the return it is speaking of will be a return of absolutely all of "the house of Israel." And Isaiah 4:3 just as clearly stated that every one who is written among the living in Jerusalem will be called holy.

There is no way to even pretend that either of these has ever happened. Just as there is no way to even pretend that Israel ever had the borders so precisely defined in Ezekiel 47.

There's that "dispensational block" again...it just won't let the scripture says what it says.

You would think one could understand for everyone living in Jerusalem to be called "holy", it has to be eternity...

 

[Rev20]

Because Ezekiel 36 very clearly stated that the return it is speaking of will be a return of absolutely all of "the house of Israel."

Is this what you are referring to, Biblewriter?

"And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded:" -- Eze 36:10​

That was referring to the return from Babylon; and it most certainly does not say "every single solitary genetic seed of Jacob", as you imply. Rather, it is referring to some members of all twelve (12) tribes returning, as I have been saying all long, and as revealed in Ezra, Nehemiah and Isaiah.

Ezekiel 36:5 also contains a statement about the judgement of Idumea, which was also mentioned in the previous chapter:

"As thou [Idumea] didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the Lord." -- Eze 35:15​

"Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey." -- Eze 36:5​

Isaiah also contains prophecy of the judgement of Idumea:

"And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment. The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea." -- Isa 34:4-6​

Context seems to be your biggest weakness, Biblewriter.
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And Isaiah 4:3 just as clearly stated that every one who is written among the living in Jerusalem will be called holy.

And they are. They are called the elect and the royal priesthood; and we know some of them by name: Peter, John, Paul, James--those who received the oracles of God. Others were the earliest Christians who received the powers of the Holy Spirit on or about the day of Pentecost (see Acts 2.)
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There is no way to even pretend that either of these has ever happened. Just as there is no way to even pretend that Israel ever had the borders so precisely defined in Ezekiel 47.

LOL! It is so precise that there are about a dozen different maps predicting the land allotments. One would think the maps would be in agreement, if it was so precise?

Ezekiel 47 and 48 defines spiritual allotments to those returning from Babylon, which included the tribe of Dan. When interpreting Ezekiel, we should keep in mind that he was in captivity when he received the prophecies; and nearly everything he wrote was in reference to Israel's return after the 70 years. He even predicted some of the priesthood for the new temple.

"And the chamber whose prospect is toward the north is for the priests, the keepers of the charge of the altar: these are the sons of Zadok among the sons of Levi, which come near to the Lord to minister unto him." -- Eze 40:46​

"And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering." -- Eze 43:19​

"But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord God:" -- Eze 44:15​

"It shall be for the priests that are sanctified of the sons of Zadok; which have kept my charge, which went not astray when the children of Israel went astray, as the Levites went astray." Eze 48:11​

Nehemiah confirms a g-grandson of Zadok--Seraiah--as ruler of the new temple:

"Seraiah the son of Hilkiah, the son of Meshullam, the son of Zadok, the son of Meraioth, the son of Ahitub, was the ruler of the house of God." -- Neh 11:11​

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[Biblewriter]

There's that "dispensational block" again...it just won't let the scripture says what it says.

You would think one could understand for everyone living in Jerusalem to be called "holy", it has to be eternity...

Or the the time when God fufills His ancient promises to Israel. But you choose to not believe that, even though God said it so many times and in such clear language.

 

[Interplanner]

I'd be glad to interact with you BW after you answer Rev20's questions/quotes. Until then your "conclusions" remain inconclusive.

 

[Rev20]

Or the the time when God fufills His ancient promises to Israel. But you choose to not believe that, even though God said it so many times and in such clear language.

God fulfilled all his ancient promises to Israel through Jesus Christ, Biblewriter. Have you not read the New Covenant?

Because of the sacrifices of Christ, Israel has been saved with an everlasting salvation (Is.45:17,) and through Christ all the seed of Israel is justified (Is.45:25.)

But they are not all Israel, which are of Israel (Rom.9:6), lest anyone get the false notion that the salvation of Jesus Christ had anything to do with race (Rom.2:11); for he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons (Col.3:25.) All those branches that bore not good fruit were broken off and cast into the fire (Mat.3:10, 7:17-19; Jn.15:2, 6; Rom.11:17, 21-22.)

Those that abide not in Christ are those that are broken off. Those that abide in him are both natural branches: the elected remnant of Israel (Rom.17:4-5,) and those grafted in, which are the Gentiles and the broken branches of Israel that Paul and the others were able to reach through their ministries (Rom.11:13-14.)

That is summarized in Galatians 3 (the root and branches, generally) and 1st Peter 2 (the natural branches.) This is the root, which is Jesus Christ:

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises [plural] made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator." -- Gal 3:16-19​

So Christ inherited all the promises. Some may claim that to be unfair; but Christ is the one who made the promises in the first place. Now it is his turn to distribute them fairly: not according to race, but according to faith.

These are the branches: both natural and wild:

"But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe." -- Gal 3:22​

"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." -- Gal 3:26-29​

So, there is not one heir who does not believe in Jesus Christ. Unlike men, God is no respecter of person, and did not choose who were to be the heirs by race, but by faith in His Son, Jesus Christ.

These are the natural branches, which by definition, are all Israel:

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy." -- 1Pet 2:9-10​

But they were not chosen by race, even though it appears that way. They were also chosen by faith. This is the original promise:

"And now if ye will indeed hear my voice, and keep my covenant, ye shall be to me a peculiar people above all nations; for the whole earth is mine. And ye shall be to me a royal priesthood and a holy nation: these words shalt thou speak to the children of Israel." -- Exo 19:5-6 LXX​

It was not a condition of race, but of faith; that is, like Abraham, they believed God and it was accounted to them as righteousness (Rom.4:3; Gal.3:6; Jas.2:23).

That is found in Christianity 101, Biblewriter; the text of which is the New Testament, also called the New Covenant.


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[Interplanner]

Amen! Rev 20 wrote:

even though it appears that way

It only appeared that way to Judaism. Very important to note. That's what Paul grew up inside of, so he had to detangle that.

 

[Biblewriter]

Is this what you are referring to, Biblewriter?

"And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded:" -- Eze 36:10​

That was referring to the return from Babylon; and it most certainly does not say "every single solitary genetic seed of Jacob", as you imply. Rather, it is referring to some members of all twelve (12) tribes returning, as I have been saying all long, and as revealed in Ezra, Nehemiah and Isaiah.

The Hebrew text of this verse, Ezekiel 36:10 repeats the word kol, that is all, thereby stressing that the meaning is absolutely all of "the house of Israel. You are denying the exact words used by the Holy Spirit in giving this prophecy.

Ezekiel 36:5 also contains a statement about the judgement of Idumea, which was also mentioned in the previous chapter:

"As thou [Idumea] didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the Lord." -- Eze 35:15​

"Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey." -- Eze 36:5​

Isaiah also contains prophecy of the judgement of Idumea:

"And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment. The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea." -- Isa 34:4-6​

Context seems to be your biggest weakness, Biblewriter.

And do you even imagine that the judgment described in Isaiah 34:4-6 has ever happened?

[qupte]And they are. They are called the elect and the royal priesthood; and we know some of them by name: Peter, John, Paul, James--those who received the oracles of God. Others were the earliest Christians who received the powers of the Holy Spirit on or about the day of Pentecost (see Acts 2.)[/quote]

It is sheer nonsense to even pretend that "everyone written among the living" in Jerusalem after the Roman onslaught was a believer on the Lord Jesus Christ.

LOL! It is so precise that there are about a dozen different maps predicting the land allotments. One would think the maps would be in agreement, if it was so precise?

The land allotments were not even partially precise, the only thing we are specifically told is the order of their plots. But the border of the land was indeed precisely defined, along its entire extent, except for one area that passed through a desert area.

Ezekiel 47 and 48 defines spiritual allotments to those returning from Babylon, which included the tribe of Dan. When interpreting Ezekiel, we should keep in mind that he was in captivity when he received the prophecies; and nearly everything he wrote was in reference to Israel's return after the 70 years. He even predicted some of the priesthood for the new temple.

"And the chamber whose prospect is toward the north is for the priests, the keepers of the charge of the altar: these are the sons of Zadok among the sons of Levi, which come near to the Lord to minister unto him." -- Eze 40:46​

"And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering." -- Eze 43:19​

"But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord God:" -- Eze 44:15​

"It shall be for the priests that are sanctified of the sons of Zadok; which have kept my charge, which went not astray when the children of Israel went astray, as the Levites went astray." Eze 48:11​

Nehemiah confirms a g-grandson of Zadok--Seraiah--as ruler of the new temple:

"Seraiah the son of Hilkiah, the son of Meshullam, the son of Zadok, the son of Meraioth, the son of Ahitub, was the ruler of the house of God." -- Neh 11:11​

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All this is a flat denial of what the text actually says.

 

[Biblewriter]

God fulfilled all his ancient promises to Israel through Jesus Christ, Biblewriter. Have you not read the New Covenant?

Because of the sacrifices of Christ, Israel has been saved with an everlasting salvation (Is.45:17,) and through Christ all the seed of Israel is justified (Is.45:25.)

But they are not all Israel, which are of Israel (Rom.9:6), lest anyone get the false notion that the salvation of Jesus Christ had anything to do with race (Rom.2:11); for he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons (Col.3:25.) All those branches that bore not good fruit were broken off and cast into the fire (Mat.3:10, 7:17-19; Jn.15:2, 6; Rom.11:17, 21-22.)

The meaning of Romans 9:6 is clearly defined by the Holy Spirit in Romans 9:7-14, in which God himself gives two examples of what He was saying. The first was Isaac, the only child of Abraham born of promise. And the second one was Jacob, who was chosen over his older brother Esau.

In both of these cases, the example was some, but not all, of the physical descendants of Abraham being chosen as the inheritors of the promise. There is not even so much as the hint of a suggestion that the promise was transferred to anyone who was not a physical descendant.

Those that abide not in Christ are those that are broken off. Those that abide in him are both natural branches: the elected remnant of Israel (Rom.17:4-5,) and those grafted in, which are the Gentiles and the broken branches of Israel that Paul and the others were able to reach through their ministries (Rom.11:13-14.)

That is summarized in Galatians 3 (the root and branches, generally) and 1st Peter 2 (the natural branches.) This is the root, which is Jesus Christ:

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises [plural] made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator." -- Gal 3:16-19​

So Christ inherited all the promises. Some may claim that to be unfair; but Christ is the one who made the promises in the first place. Now it is his turn to distribute them fairly: not according to race, but according to faith.

These are the branches: both natural and wild:

"But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe." -- Gal 3:22​

"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." -- Gal 3:26-29​

So, there is not one heir who does not believe in Jesus Christ. Unlike men, God is no respecter of person, and did not choose who were to be the heirs by race, but by faith in His Son, Jesus Christ.

These are the natural branches, which by definition, are all Israel:

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy." -- 1Pet 2:9-10​

But they were not chosen by race, even though it appears that way. They were also chosen by faith. This is the original promise:

"And now if ye will indeed hear my voice, and keep my covenant, ye shall be to me a peculiar people above all nations; for the whole earth is mine. And ye shall be to me a royal priesthood and a holy nation: these words shalt thou speak to the children of Israel." -- Exo 19:5-6 LXX​

It was not a condition of race, but of faith; that is, like Abraham, they believed God and it was accounted to them as righteousness (Rom.4:3; Gal.3:6; Jas.2:23).

That is found in Christianity 101, Biblewriter; the text of which is the New Testament, also called the New Covenant.


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The fact that all the promises are fulfilled in Christ does not alter the fact that the scriptures contain specific and explicit land promises. For we are clearly told that it is only in and through Christ that these very land promises will be fulfilled.

The scriptures describe five different battles or campaigns that will be fought after Messiah returns and before the earthly kingdom is set up. And it is only through and by the Messiah that these battles will be won. I have traced through these five battles or campaigns here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7324109-5/

 

[Interplanner]

Yet, this is never mentioned in the NT. What is mentioned is that all mankind will be judged through Christ. Sorry but I just find it regressive to think that there "needs" to be battles like that IN ADDITION to Christ being the Judge of all mankind on the last day. 2P2P's got you.

 

[ebedmelech]

The "dispensational block" remains prominent because of the most ridiculous position on interpreting scripture in dispensational teaching. It will not acknowledge allegorical prophecy, even thought God does it through his prophets!

 

[Interplanner]

BW,
Rev20 showed that that string of prophecy was connected to Zadok. All you said was his was a denial of what was there. That is what's there.

Rom 9 is not about a subset of Israel. Yes, it starts that way, but he explains that the same thing that saves the true Israel saves the non-Jew! Or to use its own language, to make them sons of Abraham, which is used elsewhere and Gal 3. That's why the chapter ends the way it does, which you never acknowledge. There is no 2P2P; there's just you stopping where you want to, to keep it working.