Understanding Unorthodox Christians

[Vanguard PCD]

Orthodoxy is adherence to that which is the genuine or original.

What I find interesting is that an "Orthodox Christian" is usually one that follows Eastern Orthodox as that name has been synonymous with the EOC for quite some time, yet it has become an umbrella term for the collective of established denominations.

Who gets to define what is and is not "orthodox"?

 

[Albion]

What I find interesting is that an "Orthodox Christian" is usually one that follows Eastern Orthodox as that name has been synonymous with the EOC for quite some time, yet it has become an umbrella term for the collective of established denominations.

I suppose you could say that--that the word itself most often associated with the Eastern Orthodox churches. But that's also the case with the word "Catholic" and "Reformed" and some others that a denomination or group of denominations has more or less made its own. But of course neither of us have been using it in that sense in this thread, and it's also true that the word is used in another sense. "Orthodox Calvinism" or "Orthodox Anglicanism" are terms that are in common usage among those people, and the word is used by others to refer to the original of whatever the subject is.

Who gets to define what is and is not "orthodox"?

There is a general understanding that the original or authentic version is what is referred to; therefore, it is possible for those who are in step with that orthodoxy and those who are not to agree on what's being identified. But of course, there can be differences of opinion when it comes to specific and precise classifications. Then too, it only matters to those who think there's something special about calling oneself "orthodox."

 

[Gibs]

What kind of papers do you think Jesus hands out? True ordination is only seen by us when a preacher can stand the test of,

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

If error can be found, they are not of Him or ordained of Him He only knows who has His Spirit of truth and does not weave in error!

If any tried to be a false teacher in His Church, He leaves and you do not have Church as His Presence in it Only constitutes Church, if not it is only a social gathering.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[Vanguard PCD]

What kind of papers do you think Jesus hands out? True ordination is only seen by us when a preacher can stand the test of,

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

If you are going to quote verses, at least use them in context. Isaiah 8:20 is talking about the Israelites and warning them not to consult mediums and spirits; not to consult the dead. It has nothing to do with testing modern day preachers...unless they claim to speak with the dead.

Isaiah 8:16-22
16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
17 And I will wait for the Lord who is hiding His face from the house of Jacob; I will even look eagerly for Him.
18 Behold, I and the children whom the Lord has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion.
19 When they say to you, “Consult the mediums and the spiritists who whisper and mutter,” should not a people consult their God? Should they consult the dead on behalf of the living?
20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn.
21 They will pass through the land hard-pressed and famished, and it will turn out that when they are hungry, they will be enraged and curse their king and their God as they face upward.
22 Then they will look to the earth, and behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish; and they will be driven away into darkness.

Don't cherry pick verses.

 

[Albion]

What kind of papers do you think Jesus hands out? True ordination is only seen by us when a preacher can stand the test of

Since you ask, "what I think" is that every church believes that Christ is the head of the church and that he calls his pastors into service. However, it's humans who do the ordaining.

 

[Gibs]

Man cannot ordain, only God can do that, all men can do is recognize if one is from Him and weaves not in error.

Now IF one truly has His Spirit of Truth he does that fairly soon in the discourse of the speaker.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into ALL truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Two great promises we can be sure will not fail as it is guaranteed by His Word!

 

[Vanguard PCD]

Man cannot ordain, only God can do that, all men can do is recognize if one is from Him and weaves not in error.

Now IF one truly has His Spirit of Truth he does that fairly soon in the discourse of the speaker.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into ALL truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Two great promises we can be sure will not fail as it is guaranteed by His Word!

If I speak the truth and am guided by the Spirit...
And you speak the truth and are guided by the Spirit...
Yet we contradict each other...
Which one is false?

 

[Albion]

Man cannot ordain

Is it necessary to pretend that you don't know what I'm referring to?

When someone is made a cleric/pastor/preacher, it's one or more other humans who lay the hands on him (or whatever) and conduct the ceremonies.

 

[Gibs]

Is it necessary to pretend that you don't know what I'm referring to?

When someone is made a cleric/pastor/preacher, it's one or more other humans who lay the hands on him (or whatever) and conduct the ceremonies.

That don't mean they were sent of God but only of men of their church structure! All any need do is go through their schools and they are ordained then of that structure.

 

[Gibs]

If I speak the truth and am guided by the Spirit...
And you speak the truth and are guided by the Spirit...
Yet we contradict each other...
Which one is false?

The one that does not speak according to the Word of God.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

ALL, does not leave out any!

 

[Vanguard PCD]

The one that does not speak according to the Word of God.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

ALL, does not leave out any!

You danced around my question without answering it.

 

[Gibs]

You danced around my question without answering it.

You got my answer fair and square. The Word is the only infallible guide of God to man with His Spirit in one to guide into the truth of it.

Without His Spirit it is only print on paper but with His Spirit it becomes light and life!

 

[Vanguard PCD]

You got my answer fair and square. The Word is the only infallible guide of God to man with His Spirit in one to guide into the truth of it.

Without His Spirit it is only print on paper but with His Spirit it becomes light and life!

Thanks, all I needed to hear...there is no answer.

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