yes.. God has revealed these things to us by His Spirit... but not yet All,not even close.its also written that we have only a measure,a portion.a down payment.
It is true that we are not there, and we have not actually seen these things, but the way this passage is so often quoted OMITS the very next verse, that starts with BUT. That is a U-Turn. Don't ignore it.
.we cannot contain an eternity of knowing in our carnal minds. it will take an eternity to know the eternal God .we have an origin in him and in him we gain everlasting life.. but he has no beginning and no end
Beware of this "Carnal Mind" stuff. If you are still carnal (anyone who reads this,) and you do not understand the truth because it is spiritually discerned, you (anyone who reads this) have much to be concerned about...
It is likely you are talking about the "Finite Mind." We have a limited understanding. We must trust the LORD for this:
I Corinthians 2
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
If we trust the LORD, and He can trust us with understanding, it is amazing what He can reveal to our hearts that helps us understand His word. Though it was not ME that was taken into the third Heaven (that was the Apostle Paul,) God can reveal the truth of the scriptures to my heart by His Holy Spirit. The carnal mind has no concept of this because these things are spiritually discerned, and the carnal mind has no ability in that realm.
-and the book referenced is not scripture,as you say,but gives great insight into the "abode" of God.. which is not a place outside of time and space ..somewhere out there thats bigger then the material world,but rather a limitless place of spiritual existence inside ,where all external creation emanates from .
Really do not know what you are getting at, where it originated and what the value would be.
The abode of God, the Third Heaven, may be limitless, and I do not have difficulty with that. The world has terminology, and in their terminology, that is in a different dimension. The spiritual is not the same as what we see. We have enough to know it is an austere place where reverence to God is continual. The carnal mind has difficulty with THAT concept.
They may like this "Inside - Outside" stuff, but the idea of a continual and eternal worship of God the Father is beyond their ability to comprehend. They think Heaven is a place to honor them, to coddle them, to reward them! They don't see it as a place to worship God. Any time they preferred Fishing to Church, they would skip Church, and hope no one gave them grief about it. Any time they thought a carnal exercise was preferable to Temperance, they would indulge the lusts, and call it what ever placates the ego.
The LORD Jesus made a way for Man to be reconciled with God the Father. As we are ushered into His presence, we are there because our hearts wish to worship Him continually. You may look at this life as a testing ground, to see who will be submitted to God, and who will refuse anything that does not honor their own SELF.
-im not speaking absolutes here but only conversing concepts.-
consider the invite "into" the governmental (kingdom) of God..
he never invites us to leave and go out there to him ,but the invite is "into" him.
the spiritual is larger on the inside then the created can ever be.God dwells ,by his spirit,in us .
jesus said..In my fathers house (place of abode) are many mansions(large places of abode.. so as he abides in us so we do and shall everlastingly abide "in" him...
There is truth in the matter of Jesus having prepared a place in the abode of God to accommodate humans that are not really suited for such a place. That is very true. However, we are not ever promised that we will be in the abode of God the Father forever. The scriptures state plainly that we will for ever be with the LORD Jesus Christ. After the restitution of all things, Those He chooses will be with Him eternally in that holy city, New Jerusalem. It will be placed on the New Earth, having come down from the New Heaven.
-and to enter into that most holy and limitless spiritual abode we must pass through the veil of flesh into the spiritual and eternal realms.. that veil was torn open for us to enter in THROUGH Jesus our lord and savior. his flesh was torn that we might go IN ,through that torn opening,to the abode of the eternal and one true living God.thus he refers to himself as "the way" in.. the Door..
Yes, this does refer to what I just said above. We have an entrance into the spiritual realm that was forbidden to us before because the way to be in God's presence was eliminated when Adam sinned.
Our entrance into the abode of God is by the way that Jesus Christ made for us. It is a spiritual realm, indeed, and we are only able to enter as we are ushered there by angels at the bidding of our LORD. If anyone thinks he is a more powerful being because he is dead, and has passed from this life, that person is likely in some sort of fantasy. If we are ANYTHING other than a REJECT, it is because of what our LORD Jesus Christ has done, and what He will do for us.
there are others ways into the inner limitless spiritual realm but they are forbidden and sin..they are the ways over walls by wolves and liars and cheats.there is only one acceptable way in."no man comes to the father but "through" me-Jesus .
This is also true. Man has sought to dabble with the spiritual realm (what may be considered the Second Heaven,) but that realm is inhabited by the wicked spirits that are enemies of God and of our souls. We are not to play around with that world. Anyone who would do so invites the worst type of trouble, and are against God in their efforts.
so heaven, the abode of God, is limitless and we are to abide in him who abides in us.
We may abide in the LORD Jesus Christ, as our Savior, and it is in Him, and by the Holy Spirit of God that we have anything. We must make choices, good or bad, right or wrong, but it is the power of God in Jesus Christ that gives us any hope of abiding in Him, and He in Us.
Jesus Christ is ALL in ALL. He is everything, and what we are discussing is something made by Him and for Him. The whole of Creation is here because it pleases the Godhead to honor the LORD Jesus Christ. He made it, and it is for Him.
Colossians 1
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Here is where we are often led astray. We think that God is intent on honoring us, so His abode must be a place that is designed and built for us to enjoy the benefits and rewards from God. We are only there if we are there to Honor God, and to Worship Him.
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