If Protestantism is true, why they are not united? (2)

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I don't think saint Paul had any secret revelation from God that nobody else knew about, unless you think of the person who saint Paul knew that was caught up to the third heaven ... but even that was not something unique to saint Paul since saint John wrote most of the Apocalypse as a vision of heaven.

Third person is what Paul expressed and that was what John revealed to him. That was the third heaven in TIME. "Paradise" is the clue...the New Jerusalem descending DOWN from Heaven as Hebrews indicates ALSO. We live under the second which is temporary and Genesis 1:1 being the first.

2 Peter 3:6-7

6 Whereby the world that ...then.... was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, ....which are now,
 
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The word mystery is mentioned 27 times in the new testament.

Solomon teaches us: God's secret is with the righteous. Prov 3:32

The reason there is so much confusion among men: because people lack spiritual understanding and would rather follow the earthly understanding.

Water and oil don't mix together.
 
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The word mystery is mentioned 27 times in the new testament.

Solomon teaches us: God's secret is with the righteous. Prov 3:32

The reason there is so much confusion among men: because people lack spiritual understanding and would rather follow the earthly understanding.

Water and oil don't mix together.

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This is the wrong forum for debates on creation vs evolution.

Evolution is non-existent. That was NOT the point. You are the one that brought up the third Heaven and do not realize it was the third Heaven in TIME. Genesis 1:1 being the first...the second (temporary) Heaven is where we live now and the third is seen in Revelation and that is where the Spirit carried John. Get with the program and PLEASE quit assuming.

Post 200 page 20. Go for it.
 
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We cannot attain a unity of any kind if we do NOT realize the “hope of our calling”. That includes catholics.

Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


I suppose everyone notices the references to the “hope of your calling”. I point out the reference of Ephesians 1:18.

2 Peter 1:12...be established in the.... present ….truth.
That verse is very important to consider. Over time God has dealt with man in different ways as He so chooses for His Divine purpose.

Rom 10:16-17 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord..... who hath believed our report?..... So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

As new messages come from God there are those that choose not to believe even though they claim to be Godly people. They ignore the message and continue with the status quo. Jeremiah was given a new revelation from God and that message was delivered. Here is how that message was treated:
Jer 36:23 And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.
There is a Jehudi around every corner in Christendom today. Has been that way since the days of Adam and Eve.
There is only a small inner circle that believes the Truth for today and accept God at His Word.


The fact is that there are 3 churches/ekklesias mentioned in the Bible that are IN CHRIST.
Eph 3:15 Of whom ...EVERY.... family in heaven and earth is named,

There is more than one sphere of blessings in God's plan...one for each of the three named churches.
The first church is Israel:

Matt 15:24 I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matt 10:5-7 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matt 16:18....upon this rock I will build my... ISRAEL;


Their hope is the land of Canaan. "The meek shall inherit the earth"..the land of Canaan. That is ...the hope.... of Israel (Acts 28:20)

The second church is the church of the firstborn:

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven
The hope of that calling will be to inherit the New Jerusalem descending DOWN from heaven as seen in Revelation. They are listed in Hebrews chapter 11 and will include the martyrs/overcomers of Revelation. They will live and reign with Christ for a 1,000 years of His total reign as a reward for service. They have a ..BETTER... country (Hebrew 11:16) and a ...BETTER ...resurrection (Hebrews 11:35)....a BETTER hope (7:19)

Clarification before I proceed to the third calling and hope associated with that calling.

The NT and OT divisions are uninspired and are not in the original manuscripts. Malachi left off with Israel in view and Matthew picks up the narrative at the birth of their Messiah in the Person of Jesus Christ. Israel was the focus of the Lord's earthly ministry (Matthew 15:24, Romans 15:8, Hebrews 1:2). Israel was also the main focus of the Acts period (Acts 1:6 and 28:20). The good olive tree and the wild olive tree showed the Gentiles at a disadvantage. The epistles associated with the Acts period were also focusing on Israel.
The first two callings are located under the temporary Heaven that was spread forth as a tent called the firmament. The third calling is not under this temporary heaven and has yet to be revealed until AD 63.

Acts 28 is very important. Please take it to heart. There was a great rent in that chapter. Israel now had their last call to accept Jesus as Messiah but they did not and Israel was set aside as favored nation at that point in time. Paul, being the apostle to the Gentiles (Ephesians 3:1), was then given a new revelation concerning a new group/church/company/ekklesia of redeemed bound for a different and higher hope. This calling was never before revealed in any way, shape or form. It was hid IN God (Ephesians 3:9) and never revealed to anyone (Ephesians 3:5) before that point in time in 63AD. The olive tree was hewn to the roots at Acts 28 and Israel was temporarily set aside as prophesied in Hosea 1:9.

This revelation was for the church which is...HIS...body (Ephesians 1:22,23) and ….the hope …..of the calling today is to the Heaven far above all where Christ sits at the right hand of God (Colossians 3:1-4). This calling is the only one that pierces the temporary heavens to the throne of God back to the Heaven of Gensis 1:1. It is the only one associated with His fulness.
This new calling, that numbered Israel among the nations and being on the same plane as Israel, was rejected by all in Asia (2Tim 1:15). They forsook Paul and did not believe the latest report from God.

This new company of redeemed is called the One NEW Man and is not associated with the olive tree as seen in Romans nor is it asscociated with Israel and the Levitical priesthood. This calling is the only calling that was known BEFORE the (katabole/overthrow) of the world (Genesis gap destruction). Those in the earthly sphere are FROM and SINCE the foundation of the world.
All that to say, Bottom line ~ the new man is those who do not love the present age

2 Timothy 4:10
10 For Demas has abandoned me, having loved the present age, and has gone to Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia; Titus to Dalmatia.
16 At my first defense no one was with me to support me, but all abandoned me. May it not be counted against them.
 
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LOL,... that would have impact if the RCC followed Jesus instead of popes.
your idea that it's an "if" is where the problem lies...
Some other people just ignored Him and the apostles & decided doing things like the Romans did - centralize power conveniently into one man.




That doesn't keep them from being people.


Your oversimplifications like those of your church, focus only on the visible, tangible side of reality.



LOL,... nice mash-up. Again, you quasi-deify men and assign them God's glory.
 
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If I were not showing Truth you would bring that post forward and show it. One problem. You cannot. You detraction is indicated by name calling. You lose the argument.

Nope. I'm just not playing your games. If you're not what I suggested, so be it.
 
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Peter did not even know about this one. The last part of my post you dare not enter. It is too deep for you, I guess. This new calling was given to Paul and Paul alone. I copy/paste a portion of post 200 here:

Acts 28 is very important. Please take it to heart. There was a great rent in that chapter. Israel now had their last call to accept Jesus as Messiah but they did not and Israel was set aside as favored nation at that point in time. Paul, being the apostle to the Gentiles (Ephesians 3:1), was then given a new revelation concerning a new group/church/company/ekklesia of redeemed bound for a different and higher hope. This calling was never before revealed in any way, shape or form. It was hid IN God (Ephesians 3:9) and never revealed to anyone (Ephesians 3:5) before that point in time in 63AD. The olive tree was hewn to the roots at Acts 28 and Israel was temporarily set aside as prophesied in Hosea 1:9.

This revelation was for the church which is...HIS...body (Ephesians 1:22,23) and ….the hope …..of the calling today is to the Heaven far above all where Christ sits at the right hand of God (Colossians 3:1-4). This calling is the only one that pierces the temporary heavens to the throne of God back to the Heaven of Genesis 1:1. It is the only one associated with His fulness.
This new calling, that numbered Israel among the nations and being on the same plane as Israel, was rejected by all in Asia (2Tim 1:15). They forsook Paul and did not believe the latest report from God.

This new company of redeemed is called the One NEW Man and is not associated with the olive tree as seen in Romans nor is it asscociated with Israel and the Levitical priesthood. This calling is the only calling that was known BEFORE the (katabole/overthrow) of the world (Genesis gap destruction). Those in the earthly sphere are FROM and SINCE the foundation of the world.

Well, there's the problem. Peter and the others were already teaching when Paul came to visit them, seeking approval of what he was teaching.
 
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Show me where I am a gnostic or walk it back dude!!


adjective, Also, gnostical
1.pertaining to knowledge.

2.possessing knowledge, especially esoteric knowledge of spiritual matters.

3.(initial capital letter) pertaining to or characteristic of the Gnostics.
noun
4.(initial capital letter) a member of any of certain sects among the early Christians who claimed to have superior knowledge of spiritual matters, and explained the world as created by powers or agencies arising as emanations from the Godhead.

I am a Berean student (Acts 17:11) and adhere to the WRITTEN Word (2 Timothy 2:15) and am NOT a gainsayer (Korah). I do NOT receive Spiritual revelations from God. I am give a tool in the WRITTEN Word and accept nothing else. To accept extra Biblical writings and teachings as absolute Truth is as my signature indicates!!

It was your idea that anyone possessed secret knowledge that led me down that road. Christianity is completely public. There is no secret knowledge.
 
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Because they aren't so controlling and allow for some flexibility. Kind of like the early church.
My parish church is not controlling either. Mostly people can get on with life and worship without anybody making too much of a fuss about things.
 
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This thing still going on? Protestants don't have unity.Pfffft!! What nonsense. 60% loves guns and hate the president. 40% are the opposite. That's unity if I ever seen it.
Only in the USA ;)

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