Do believers make poor scientists?

[PsychoSarah]

It was. But they were all guided by one God over the span of thousands of years to tell the same story.

I'd give Genesis a minimum of 2 authors, probably far more than that.

 

[createdtoworship]

Sure, I can infer that it is written by more than one person pretty quickly.

"Keep in mind that Moses edited Genesis from 10 eyewitness accounts. The accounts were probably written on clay tablets. Noah would have taken these tablets on the ark with him. "

" Adam actually wrote part of Genesis. 10 different times in the book of Genesis you will find the phrase “these are the generations of.” This is the switching phrase where a new author is now taking over. Apparently God wrote the first chapter. There is no way anyone else would have known those things. But for chapter 2 Adam was there and was an eyewitness to what was happening. Adam wrote chapters 2, 3, and 4."

Who Wrote the Book of Genesis?


It seems legitimate, I am not 100% percent convinced but it it an interesting observation.

 

[SkyWriting]

If love is not real, how can it be told or shown? Words and actions are not love. Anyone can talk and act without love.

Love is figment of human imagination. It's not real I'm afraid. Unless you can prove it is. Do you have evidence that love exists?

People continue to talk to you all the time assuming that you are worth talking to.
That is proof of love for others. You just used up seconds of my precious life that I'll never have back. That is love. Time given from my life just to you. My brother is dead, my friends are dead, my dog is dead, and here I am spending time for you to have from my life.

 

[PsychoSarah]

"Keep in mind that Moses edited Genesis from 10 eyewitness accounts. The accounts were probably written on clay tablets. Noah would have taken these tablets on the ark with him. "

" Adam actually wrote part of Genesis. 10 different times in the book of Genesis you will find the phrase “these are the generations of.” This is the switching phrase where a new author is now taking over. Apparently God wrote the first chapter. There is no way anyone else would have known those things. But for chapter 2 Adam was there and was an eyewitness to what was happening. Adam wrote chapters 2, 3, and 4."

Who Wrote the Book of Genesis?


It seems legitimate, I am not 100% percent convinced but it it an interesting observation.

There is no reason to think Moses wrote a single word in the bible. At best you might be able to try to argue that Aaron did ghost writing for him. After all Moses was raised as an Egyptian, not as a Hebrew, if he was literate he would have been literate in Egyptian hieroglyphics, not Hebrew, the language of the slaves (supposedly).

 

[SkyWriting]

There is no reason to think Moses wrote a single word in the bible.

Well, it wasn't decided by one person. Scores of people over thousands of years have come to the same conclusion.

That would be one good reason.

If you claim to be a scholar of the Bible and have studied it for a year or so, then your "Moses not author" opinion is worth consideration. Then we would ask for your list of reasons to think previous teams of scholars would be wrong.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well, it wasn't decided by one person. Scores of people over thousands of years have come to the same conclusion.

That would be one good reason.

If you claim to be a scholar of the Bible and have studied it for a year or so, then your "Moses not author" opinion is worth consideration. Then we would ask for your list of reasons to think previous teams of scholars would be wrong.

Moses, as I stated, wouldn't have been literate in Hebrew. He was raised as an Egyptian, they wouldn't have been literate in the language of their slaves. It's even possible he didn't speak Hebrew, which makes the presence of Aaron, who often spoke on behalf of Moses, who is stated as having issues with speaking (potentially he didn't speak Hebrew very well or knew only a few words even later in life) and why people were so willing to follow Aaron (because from their perspective he lead them more than Moses). Since there are no versions of the bible per that time period written in Egyptian hieroglyphics, it stands to reason that Moses never personally wrote anything in the bible nor edited it.

 

[SkyWriting]

Moses, as I stated, wouldn't have been literate in Hebrew. He was raised as an Egyptian, they wouldn't have been literate in the language of their slaves.

That's just so weird that you can see that well into the past. Amazing.
Try it on me....I alive, live in Milwaukee, born in Indiana, my mom was a nurse, my dad a union construction worker......OK...ready?

How many languages do I know and what are they?

(Wisconsin State Fair starts next week. You should be there in a booth.)

It's even possible he didn't speak Hebrew, which makes the presence of Aaron, who often spoke on behalf of Moses, who is stated as having issues with speaking (potentially he didn't speak Hebrew very well or knew only a few words even later in life) and why people were so willing to follow Aaron (because from their perspective he lead them more than Moses). Since there are no versions of the bible per that time period written in Egyptian hieroglyphics, it stands to reason that Moses never personally wrote anything in the bible nor edited it.

The oldest scrolls of the Torah are from 1100 to 1200 and they are all on sheepskin.

"It stands to reason" that sheepskin scrolls 2000 years older would be in poor shape and quite rare to begin with.
One original copy and a handful of duplicates.

 

[PsychoSarah]

That's just so weird that you can see that well into the past. Amazing.
Try it on me....I alive, live in Milwaukee, born in Indiana, my mom was a nurse, my dad a union construction worker......OK...ready?

How many languages do I know and what are they?

(Wisconsin State Fair starts next week. You should be there in a booth.)

The oldest scrolls of the Torah are from 1100 to 1200 and they are all on sheepskin.

"It stands to reason" that sheepskin scrolls 2000 years older would be in poor shape and quite rare to begin with.
One original copy and a handful of duplicates.

My guess, you probably speak perhaps 2 languages, but if you do have a second language you probably don't speak it particularly well. I make that educated guess based on where you live (USA) and how it is pretty low on people who speak multiple languages. However, the bible gives more about the life of Moses than you gave me about yours, we know his occupation, who raised him, etc.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'd give Genesis a minimum of 2 authors, probably far more than that.

If you mean human authors, I agree.

Adam = Genesis 1 & 2
Seth = Genesis 3 - 5
Noah = Genesis 6 - 9
Shem = Genesis 10 & 11
Abraham = Genesis 12 - 25
Isaac, Jacob, Joseph = Genesis 26 -50

Then Moses translated those writings into Hebrew.

 

[PsychoSarah]

If you mean human authors, I agree.

Adam = Genesis 1 & 2
Seth = Genesis 3 - 5
Noah = Genesis 6 - 9
Shem = Genesis 10 & 11
Abraham = Genesis 12 - 25
Isaac, Jacob, Joseph = Genesis 26 -50

Then Moses translated those writings into Hebrew.

again, based in how the bible depicts Moses as being raised, he shouldn't have been literate in Hebrew himself.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no reason to think Moses wrote a single word in the bible. At best you might be able to try to argue that Aaron did ghost writing for him. After all Moses was raised as an Egyptian, not as a Hebrew, if he was literate he would have been literate in Egyptian hieroglyphics, not Hebrew, the language of the slaves (supposedly).

That's a weak argument, Sarah.

Ever heard of the "gift of tongues"?

1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

And we know that Moses was empowered by the Holy Spirit at one time.

Numbers 11:25 And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.

 

[AV1611VET]

again, based in how the bible depicts Moses as being raised, he shouldn't have been literate in Hebrew himself.

He may not have been -- but he didn't need to be.

 

[PsychoSarah]

He may not have been -- but he didn't need to be.

if god was willing to make Moses literate in Hebrew, why didn't god just make the bible written in a language anyone could read, even if they were illiterate?

 

[AV1611VET]

if god was willing to make Moses literate in Hebrew, why didn't god just make the bible written in a language anyone could read, even if they were illiterate?

As I said, Sarah, the claim that Moses should not have been able to write Hebrew is a weak one.

 

[PsychoSarah]

As I said, Sarah, the claim that Moses should not have been able to write Hebrew is a weak one.

The claim you make about why makes 0 sense

 

[AV1611VET]

The claim you make about why makes 0 sense

Who's more surprised, in your estimation? you or I?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Who's more surprised, in your estimation? you or I?

About what exactly?

 

[createdtoworship]

Moses, as I stated, wouldn't have been literate in Hebrew. He was raised as an Egyptian, they wouldn't have been literate in the language of their slaves. It's even possible he didn't speak Hebrew, which makes the presence of Aaron, who often spoke on behalf of Moses, who is stated as having issues with speaking (potentially he didn't speak Hebrew very well or knew only a few words even later in life) and why people were so willing to follow Aaron (because from their perspective he lead them more than Moses). Since there are no versions of the bible per that time period written in Egyptian hieroglyphics, it stands to reason that Moses never personally wrote anything in the bible nor edited it.

Moses in order to author books in the old testament, had to speak hebrew, also moses had a speech impediment ( thats why he had aaron to speak to the magistrates).

exodus - Does Moses Speak Broken Hebrew? - Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange

Did Moses Have a Speech Impediment? – Forward.com

 

[createdtoworship]

There is no reason to think Moses wrote a single word in the bible. At best you might be able to try to argue that Aaron did ghost writing for him. After all Moses was raised as an Egyptian, not as a Hebrew, if he was literate he would have been literate in Egyptian hieroglyphics, not Hebrew, the language of the slaves (supposedly).

Moses spoke hebrew:
there are alot of people who are bilingual, even trilingual.

I believe moses sister was a maiden for pharoah's daughter, and possibly was with Him as he grew up as a young child. (plenty of time to teach him hebrew).

"7 Then his sister said to Pharaoh’s daughter, “Shall I go and call a nurse for you from the Hebrew women, that she may nurse the child for you?”
8 And Pharaoh’s daughter said to her, “Go.” So the maiden went and called the child’s mother.
"

Exodus 2:7-8

 

[Angelquill]

There is no reason to think Moses wrote a single word in the bible. At best you might be able to try to argue that Aaron did ghost writing for him. After all Moses was raised as an Egyptian, not as a Hebrew, if he was literate he would have been literate in Egyptian hieroglyphics, not Hebrew, the language of the slaves (supposedly).

Interesting debate.
Didn't the princess that found Moses in the water call his sister to find her a nurse for him "from among the Hebrews"? And the sister went and got his mother, who took him and did the hard work of raising him up, probably the first six or seven years...till the hard work of taking care of a helpless baby was done, anyhow.
So there is no reason at all to suppose that Moses, like any other member of the Egyptian court, would not speak Hebrew.
He evidently knew all about his birth...that's why he killed the Egyptian who was beating the Hebrew slave, and had to run from court in the first place.
Didn't you guys actually read the story??