The physical descendants of the acient nation of Israel.

[Old Timer]

No. I'm telling you that you don't know who Israel is.

Israel is J A C O B...

Unless the word of God changed recently..

Most unbelievers have not read "they are NOT ALL Israel, who are descended from Israel"...the very passage you tap dance around!

And yet your Decoder Ring instantly turns you into an Israelite.. just like that.. regardless of the fact that this verse says nothing remotely close to what YOU think..

And that of course is what the Decoder is for.. to change the simple truth into anything but the truth.

Indeed...THE TRUE CIRCUMCISION, who worship in the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and put NO confidence in the flesh. (Philippians 3:3).

If you had a clue...

Well, at least Paul was a Jew..

You... we're not so sure..

 

[Interplanner]

OT,
Rom 9:6 is close to what he's saying, because Paul clarifies it right through ch 9. As you know, this is what BW refuses to speak about in any direct, summary way. He does that to protect 2P2P.

The first of the explanations comes when Paul uses the verb 'regarded' in 9:8. The verb is 'logizo' and any student of Paul knows that when 'logizo' is used, anything can happen. 'logizo' is how the believer is considered righteous, for example. He does not become righteous (maybe a little) but he is credited with Christ's as far as God is concerned. He is covered, like being given new clothes (cp the parable of Mt 22:11 about not having wedding clothes).

'Logizo' is used about the seed/descendants of Abraham. Just as Isaac was not concieved the normal way, the nations who believe can be included as the descendants because that is how God regards them. They are children of faith, which is how things work in the era of the Gospel.

 

[Biblewriter]

OT,
Rom 9:6 is close to what he's saying, because Paul clarifies it right through ch 9. As you know, this is what BW refuses to speak about in any direct, summary way. He does that to protect 2P2P.

This is a blatant lie!

I have directly dealt with your misrepresentations of this scripture repeatedly.

When someone realizes that he is losing a debate, he typically resorts to personal attacks and half truths. But you have gone beyond that to full, blatant lies.

 

[Old Timer]

What a surprise...

 

[Interplanner]

You protect 2P2P all the time. Earthly salvation for Israel; heavenly for Christians. That sort of nonsense.

There are prob 10 requests here for you to succinctly state what 9B is saying, so what's the lie?

 

[Biblewriter]

You protect 2P2P all the time. Earthly salvation for Israel; heavenly for Christians. That sort of nonsense.

There are prob 10 requests here for you to succinctly state what 9B is saying, so what's the lie?

The lie is that I have not addressed this question. I even made an entire thread on that subject, titled "The True Meaning of Romans 9-11."

 

[ebedmelech]

The lie is that I have not addressed this question. I even made an entire thread on that subject, titled "The True Meaning of Romans 9-11."

Which TOTALLY disregards the apostles explanation because you don't accept what he says...you change it...in favor of your eschatology Biblewriter.

To even say this isn't about a spiritual Israel is to show utter lack of comprehension...ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF Romans 4.

No offense...but when it comes to Romans 9...your view is a real joke!

 

[Interplanner]

I know you have addressed it, BW. Can you not see the question at hand? The question is will you succinctly state what Rom 9 means in a couple lines?

 

[riverrat]

You protect 2P2P all the time. Earthly salvation for Israel; heavenly for Christians. That sort of nonsense.

There are prob 10 requests here for you to succinctly state what 9B is saying, so what's the lie?

AC+MC+PC+DC+NC=2P2P

 

[Interplanner]

Rat are you trying to say something? Paul is saying in Gal 3:17 that Judaism supposed the law replaced the promise. It did not.

 

[Biblewriter]

I know you have addressed it, BW. Can you not see the question at hand? The question is will you succinctly state what Rom 9 means in a couple lines?

Israel still owns the promises, and they will be kept. But only for the true Israel, which is the faithful subset of the physical Israel.

 

[ebedmelech]

Israel still owns the promises, and they will be kept. But only for the true Israel, which is the faithful subset of the physical Israel.

Indeed...toward the "Israel of God"!!! Face it Biblewriter...the NT doesn't speak to any of what you think applies to Israel in the future.

Just as Jesus said the kingdom was taken from Israel...you view is a "dispensational pipe dream".

"They are NOT all Israel who are descended from Israel..."

 

[Interplanner]

The subset of Israel is not by itself; it belongs with all those who have faith, Kenyan, Canadian, Siberian. Paul's life-work as a Christian was to help Israel realize this, and that its mistake was to think otherwise.

 

[Biblewriter]

Indeed...toward the "Israel of God"!!! Face it Biblewriter...the NT doesn't speak to any of what you think applies to Israel in the future.

Just as Jesus said the kingdom was taken from Israel...you view is a "dispensational pipe dream".

"They are NOT all Israel who are descended from Israel..."

The interpretations you place upon these two Biblical statements are exactly that - interpretations. And that is all they are. But you are forgetting the cardinal rule that if an interpretation of one scripture directly contradicts another scripture, the interpretation is incorrect.

Many scriptures explicitly tell us that Israel will be restored on her ancient land. And there is not even one scripture anywhere that says this will not actually happen. So all interpretations that say this will not actually happen are error.

 

[Interplanner]

No, the Protestant position has been that the NT interps the OT. You'll find this in most material expounding sola Scriptura. Not all texts are equal in light of the fulness of time we are in now, and the 'child-trainer' function of the age of the law.