Reasons why you are very unwise to trust your church’s doctrines

[extraordinary]

Alternate title
Choose this day whom you will believe: Scripture and the Holy Spirit, or your church.

Reasons why the churches historically have taught false doctrines

• Satan is “the god/ruler of this age/world” (2 Cor 4:4, John 12:31)
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“the whole world lies in the power of the evil one” (1 John 5:19)
“there is no truth in him ... he is a liar” (John 8:44) … So it was very easy
for him to deceive the large church organizations (EOC, RCC, and Protestant)!

• Many church leaders have been fleshly-minded instead of spiritually-minded,
so they were easily led by Satan to deviate from God’s New Testament pattern.

• Many leaders have been primarily interested in your praise and your tithes.
There have always been leaders who are only “hired hands” (John 10:11-13),
and who do not put the welfare of Christ’s church first.
Not everyone who appears to be holy and righteous really are so.
Jesus gave many warnings about being deceived by false teachers!

• Satan did not want the churches to continue to have the spiritual power of
NT times … which was a powerful confirmation of the truth of the gospel,
and which produced many deliverances and healings of all kinds.

• Many leaders did not want to acknowledge that God had anointed others
with powerful spiritual gifts when they had not been! They might look quite
spiritually inferior and might risk losing their power, prestige, and their jobs!

• Many leaders wanted to be in control instead of having God be in control.
And they did not want those whom God chose to have any spiritual authority.

• Increasingly, leaders have taught only popular and non-threatening doctrines.

### All of the above have resulted in a historically weak and powerless church!

• Yes, the time has come when people will not endure sound doctrine; they wish
to turn their ears away from the truth and be turned aside to fables (2 Tim 4:3-4).
Warning: If you believe lies, they will take dominion over you!
We are seeing the great apostacy prior to the coming of the antichrist (2 Thes 2:3).

Examples of false doctrines taught in many churches
-- man is not born with an inherited sin nature
-- once saved always saved
-- cessationism (i.e. the 9 spiritual power gifts and the Spirit baptism have ceased)
-- pre-tribulation rapture (Jesus gives the true sequence of events in Matthew 24)

Many Christian internet radio programs are adamantly against today’s churches
for reasons such as these
• Silence re: the millions of Christians being slaughtered in other countries
• Bowing down to government policy … some accept Islam as another way,
some give the government personal data about their members, etc.
• Teaching a very watered-down and powerless gospel
• Not teaching deliverance from demons (this is important for several reasons)
• Teaching a pre-trib rapture (this does not prepare for our coming persecution)

A suggestion: Start a house church with like-minded serious believers who
desire to be totally free to search out spiritual truths without opposition.
This will help you break away from long-held biases and false doctrines.

The bottom line
Trust Scripture and the Holy Spirit (but not your church) for your salvation!

 

[stenerson]

Some folks can avoid being deceived by churches and still be deceived by their own false doctrines.

 

[mickey30981]

This isnt what the bible teaches! The Bible says the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth!

 

[OzSpen]

This isnt what the bible teaches! The Bible says the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth!

To which church are you referring? 1 Tim 3:15 states:

if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth (ESV).
​

 

[Bro in Christ]

Eph 3:16-20 ....part of getting knowledge from god is from other believers

 

[prodromos]

Reasons why the churches historically have taught false doctrines

• Satan is “the god/ruler of this age/world” (2 Cor 4:4, John 12:31)
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“the whole world lies in the power of the evil one” (1 John 5:19)
“there is no truth in him ... he is a liar” (John 8:44) … So it was very easy
for him to deceive the large church organizations (EOC, RCC, and Protestant)!

Christ established "A" Church which is theanthropic, both human and divine, and for this reason the Church ultimately cannot fail, even though individual members, even the elect, can fall into error. Ultimately their errors are purged from the body and the Church continues as the "pillar and ground of truth".

I'm curious to know what false doctrines you believe the EOC has taught?

 

[Bro in Christ]

Compare what ever man teaches FROM THE BIBLE WITH THE BIBLE

 

[OzSpen]

Eph 3:16-20 ....part of getting knowledge from god is from other believers

Eph 3:14-21 are a prayer by Paul to be strengthened by power through God's Spirit. Verses 17-19 state:

that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God (ESV).

Verse 19 speaks about being 'filled with all the fullness of God'. I do not see the emphasis you are giving that knowledge from God comes from other believers. However, I do understand the role of teachers as a ministry gift of Christ to the chirch.

 

[Bro in Christ]

Vs 19 that love of other saints passes knowledge

 

[OzSpen]

I'm curious to know what false doctrines you believe the EOC has taught?

This transcript begins,

Orthodox Christians claim that the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Chalcedonian Orthodox Church, is the one true Church of Christ. That’s the confession of faith that we make (source: Ancient Faith Radio).
​

Do you agree with this statement that the Eastern Orthodox Church is the one true Church of Christ?

 

[OzSpen]

Vs 19 that love of other saints passes knowledge

Would you please assist us all by backquoting so that we know to which post you refer?

That is not what Eph 3:19 states. It states: '19 and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God' (ESV).

It is the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge.

 

[OzSpen]

Compare what ever man teaches FROM THE BIBLE WITH THE BIBLE

However, every verse, paragraph and chapter of Scripture needs to be interpreted. There are varying interpretations on many issues.

I find the message to compare what every person teaches from the Bible with the Bible to be too simplistic. Why? As an example, please tell me the meaning of this verse,

Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control (1 Tim 2:15 ESV).

Thanks, Oz

 

[Tellastory]

Alternate title
Choose this day whom you will believe: Scripture and the Holy Spirit, or your church.

I do believe the Holy Spirit in us in according to the scripture is leading us to trust Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to give us the wisdom thru the Holy Spirit in us in understanding His words.

So the Holy Spirit & scripture would say trust Jesus Christ & His words to us.

Examples of false doctrines taught in many churches
-- man is not born with an inherited sin nature
-- once saved always saved
-- cessationism (i.e. the 9 spiritual power gifts and the Spirit baptism have ceased)
-- pre-tribulation rapture (Jesus gives the true sequence of events in Matthew 24)

The first one can be reproven by scripture:

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Psalm 58:3The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

The second one is proven by scripture, but that does not mean no believer will be left behind at the pre tribulational rapture when God comes to judge His House first.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one.

The third one is a lengthy one to reprove but the scripture are there that give discernment as to what is the real God's gift of tongues and what is not of Him.

It is because more & more believers are testifying to the kind of tongues that is not of Him which is responsible for leading some believers into thinking that there is a cessation of the gifts, and thus it may very well be seeing how we have the KJV available for our edification. Even those who claim they have tongues and yet insist on testifying that tongues can be used also as a prayer language have to be cirumspect.

The fourth one is hid in scripture:

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

The pre trib harvest, the post trib harvest, and after Satan's last rebellion after the milleniel reign harvest will make up the whole of the kingdom of heaven. They that be Christ firstfruits, and they that be Christ's at His coming and then the end.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself......18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

By His grace & by His help only, this plainly shows why God has to judge His House first before He comes to judge the world, because of OSAS as many are called but few are chosen for the Marriage Supper. It is our confidence in Him that began a good work in us, shall finish it to His glory and if you agree that to be true, then it will be true for those left behind as there are vessels unto dishonour in His House that will not look to the author & finisher of our faith in laying aside ever weight & sin in running that race for the high prize of our calling to attend the King's Supper.

The bottom line
Trust Scripture and the Holy Spirit (but not your church) for your salvation!

No. Scripture & the Holy Spirit says trust Jesus Christ for your salvation, and you are not doing that if you believe you can lose your salvation. That is liken to a work that denies Him as being able to save and thus taking away the glory of Him being our Saviour as if He cannot keep us saved... as if sin & death is greater than Him, and they are not.

Once that foundation is laid, there is no destroying that foundation but the works built thereon will be burned up: not the foundation.

Some will say that a forest fire will bring new life to the land, and Paul says the same thing.

1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

That loss will be that first inheritance, but these wayward & unrepentant saints are still His for He that abideth, cannot deny Himself, but they will be denied entrance for not looking to Him for help to depart from iniquity as any work that denies Him, they will be denied.

Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

So if you trust Jesus Christ for your salvation, then know the secret to overcoming given by John and why no one's name will be blotted out of the Book of Life.

1 John 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him....4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Again, many are called but few are chosen to attend the Marriage Supper.

John is testifying to spiritual fornication as many believers that use tongues as a prayer language are following a stranger's voice and speaking the depths of Satan that they do speak. They are at risk of being left behind.

Revelations 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

Time to repent with His help at that throne of grace before He comes.

2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness....24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

[prodromos]

This transcript begins,

Orthodox Christians claim that the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Chalcedonian Orthodox Church, is the one true Church of Christ. That’s the confession of faith that we make (source: Ancient Faith Radio).
​

Do you agree with this statement that the Eastern Orthodox Church is the one true Church of Christ?

I would not have become Orthodox if I didn't, and I only did so after years of study, investigation and more importantly, prayer.

 

[sdowney717]

I would not have become Orthodox if I didn't, and I only did so after years of study, investigation and more importantly, prayer.

RCC also consider you and Protestantism heresies. RCC says they are the one true church.

The church is made of those God has called.

30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

And purchased with His blood. The children of God scattered abroad, who are in the whole wide world all over the world.

 

[Tellastory]

I would not have become Orthodox if I didn't, and I only did so after years of study, investigation and more importantly, prayer.

We are not called to be a disciple of a church in testifying of church traditions in serving the church in seeking the glory of the church.

We are called to be disciples of Jesus Christ in serving Him by testifying of Him & His words in seeking His glory.

 

[Ignatius21]

We are not called to be a disciple of a church in testifying of church traditions in serving the church in seeking the glory of the church. We are called to be disciples of Jesus Christ in serving Him by testifying of Him & His words in seeking His glory.

Do you believe these are opposed to each other?

We don't.

 

[OzSpen]

I would not have become Orthodox if I didn't, and I only did so after years of study, investigation and more importantly, prayer.

Does that mean that I, who am not a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church, cannot be a member of the one true church?

 

[prodromos]

Does that mean that I, who am not a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church, cannot be a member of the one true church?

That is not for me to say. I only know where God's Church is. I do not presume to judge if others may find salvation outside the visible Church.

 

[prodromos]

Christ established "A" Church which is theanthropic, both human and divine, and for this reason the Church ultimately cannot fail, even though individual members, even the elect, can fall into error. Ultimately their errors are purged from the body and the Church continues as the "pillar and ground of truth".

I'm curious to know what false doctrines you believe the EOC has taught?

Still waiting for a response?