Why Is Darwinism So Dangerous? (4)

[EternalDragon]

I understand that but Cain married is before any other children and if there were cities of humans they were not made up of only women.

My error, Cain built the first city.

Does it mention how long Cain dwelt in Nod before he built the first city there? No, it does not. He could have very well married one of Adam and Eves subsequent daughters or even one of Seth's daughters.

So who are you saying Cain married and where did she come from?

 

[theophilus777]

If only one person became an atheist, because of evolution alone then evolution is dangerous.

Their wrong thinking on the subject doesn't make it "dangerous" (whatever that means in this context) either.

Actually the statement is true in this context. Interesting that you can't understand something so simple.

 

[theophilus777]

I Don't see how any Christian that has read the bible can believe in evolution.
saying we evolved from fish contradicts what the bible tells us. If you believe the bible to be the whole truth, which most Christians do, how can you possibly believe in the evolution theory?

It really isn't a contradiction. It helps to know what the original text was driving at, as intended for the original audience. I think this may help explain why Diz takes the position he does?

 

[theophilus777]

"Christian atheism is a theological position in which the belief in the God of Christianity is rejected or absent but the moral teachings of Jesus are followed."

Christian atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That''s not Christianity. It might be moralism

some panentheists now use the doublet "unitheism.""[/COLOR][/I]

CF's resident Christian panetheist

Sloppy spelling. Is that pantheist, panentheist, or something else? Btw Biblical Spirituality is clearly panentheist from the beginning, it doesn't wait for Christ's Resurrection.

 

[theophilus777]

My error, Cain built the first city.

Does it mention how long Cain dwelt in Nod before he built the first city there? No, it does not. He could have very well married one of Adam and Eves subsequent daughters or even one of Seth's daughters.

So who are you saying Cain married and where did she come from?

Whoa. Who built Nod? There's some serious ramifications to that.

And nowhere does Scripture tell us there weren't other people around for Cain to marry. Be careful to be silent where the Bible is silent.

 

[EternalDragon]

Whoa. Who built Nod? There's some serious ramifications to that.

And nowhere does Scripture tell us there weren't other people around for Cain to marry. Be careful to be silent where the Bible is silent.

Are you saying there were other people created and God failed to mention it?
Were they sinless or did they eat the fruit as well?

 

[theophilus777]

Are you saying there were other people created and God failed to mention it?
Were they sinless or did they eat the fruit as well?

I'm saying we're not told if they are there or not, either way. but we are told about A & E, and about their kids marrying off. So it kinda suggests there were other folks around. I don't think we can be sure. But do look into Nod! That Nimrod character carries a LOT of important symbolism ...

 

[tacdon]

What percent of atheists don't believe in evolution?

Around 13 percent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution

 

[Oncedeceived]

Whoa. Who built Nod? There's some serious ramifications to that.

And nowhere does Scripture tell us there weren't other people around for Cain to marry. Be careful to be silent where the Bible is silent.

Exactly. I mean I know that I am reading into the Bible my interpretation as well. But it says that Cain was worried about going out 'from the face of the earth' which is Eden I might add which gives some insight that the flood was local and the face of the earth in that sense was this area as well (but I digress) but he was worried about going out because he would be killed. He would not have to fear if it were his family (of course he killed his family) but it stands to reason that there were "other" people that he was afraid of. Non-spiritual people. The people that were not made in the image of God?

 

[Oncedeceived]

I'm saying we're not told if they are there or not, either way. but we are told about A & E, and about their kids marrying off. So it kinda suggests there were other folks around. I don't think we can be sure. But do look into Nod! That Nimrod character carries a LOT of important symbolism ...

See my previous post as another possibility.

 

[EternalDragon]

Exactly. I mean I know that I am reading into the Bible my interpretation as well. But it says that Cain was worried about going out 'from the face of the earth' which is Eden I might add which gives some insight that the flood was local and the face of the earth in that sense was this area as well (but I digress) but he was worried about going out because he would be killed. He would not have to fear if it were his family (of course he killed his family) but it stands to reason that there were "other" people that he was afraid of. Non-spiritual people. The people that were not made in the image of God?

Adam and Eve had other children. The list of male names is for tracing the line from Adam to Jesus. Other siblings and daughters were not mentioned.

Cain was obviously afraid of retribution from the rest of his family for slaying their brother.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Adam and Eve had other children. The list of male names is for tracing the line from Adam to Jesus. Other siblings and daughters were not mentioned.

Cain was obviously afraid of retribution from the rest of his family for slaying their brother.

So, where is the list of the males that were at the same time or before Cain and Abel?

 

[Loudmouth]

Are you saying there were other people created and God failed to mention it?

Are you saying that the Bible is God?

 

[Davian]

"Christian atheism is a theological position in which the belief in the God of Christianity is rejected or absent but the moral teachings of Jesus are followed."

Christian atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That''s not Christianity. It might be moralism

No, but it's a belief system, and they refer to themselves as Christians. Did they not clear this with you beforehand?

Christian atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The apostle Paul quotes a pantheist poem about Zeus in Acts 17:28, turning it into a panentheist statement about their "unknown God" when he quotes, "'In him we live and move and have our being' as some of your poets have said."

Panentheism is also a feature of some later Christian thought, particularly in mystical Orthodox Christianity, Catholic philosophy, and process theology. In order to avoid confusion with pantheism some panentheists now use the doublet "unitheism.""

Panentheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I will also offer you this post, to refer you to CF's resident Christian panetheist (but don't tell him we are talking about him, or this thread will be overrun with his electrical universe nonsense), who may take offence at that statement.

Sloppy spelling. Is that pantheist, panentheist, or something else? Btw Biblical Spirituality is clearly panentheist from the beginning, it doesn't wait for Christ's Resurrection.

Take that up with someone that self-identifies as a Christian panethiest. They are here on this board.

 

[Loudmouth]

Sorry but I cannot respond to your blasphemy.

How did I commit blasphemy?

Now don't bring up the big bang theory, because believe me, like I did on the subject of evolution, I will blow your mind!

Creationists have often blown my mind with just how much evidence they are willing to ignore.

 

[Oncedeceived]

No, but it's a belief system, and they refer to themselves as Christians. Did they not clear this with you beforehand?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


It seems that many will call themselves Christians but if they go against the gospel they will not be seen as Christians by Christ. Which is who it matters to.

Take that up with someone that self-identifies as a Christian panethiest. They are here on this board.

Gladly.

 

[Oncedeceived]

"Christian atheism is a theological position in which the belief in the God of Christianity is rejected or absent but the moral teachings of Jesus are followed."

Christian atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is self-refuting and self-defeating because you can't follow Christ and reject His teachings at the same time.

"The apostle Paul quotes a pantheist poem about Zeus in Acts 17:28, turning it into a panentheist statement about their "unknown God" when he quotes, "'In him we live and move and have our being' as some of your poets have said."

Panentheism is also a feature of some later Christian thought, particularly in mystical Orthodox Christianity, Catholic philosophy, and process theology. In order to avoid confusion with pantheism some panentheists now use the doublet "unitheism.""

Panentheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was not giving authority to any other than God. His extensive writings attest to that.

I will also offer you this post, to refer you to CF's resident Christian panetheist (but don't tell him we are talking about him, or this thread will be overrun with his electrical universe nonsense), who may take offence at that statement.

Ok.

I have said before, is there any position, however contrary to another, that someone somewhere cannot find support for in the bible?

If it goes against the main gospel it is contrary to the Bible.

My point is, you lack a mechanism with which to resolve these differences, 'minor' or not.

Usually God uses different means to clear misunderstandings eventually.

 

[Davian]

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


It seems that many will call themselves Christians but if they go against the gospel they will not be seen as Christians by Christ. Which is who it matters to.

According to you, but not the Christian Atheists.

Gladly.

Let me know when that happens.

 

[bhsmte]

According to you, but not the Christian Atheists.

Let me know when that happens.

I would love to see the interchange between once and the poster you mention. That, would be entertaining. Add in justlookinlaism, and it really gets good.

 

[Davian]

It is self-refuting and self-defeating because you can't follow Christ and reject His teachings at the same time.

You tell them that. That they exist shows you wrong in your claim that there is no such thing as Christian atheists.

I have said before, is there any position, however contrary to another, that someone somewhere cannot find support for in the bible?

If it goes against the main gospel it is contrary to the Bible.

You mean, your interpretation of the gospels.

Usually God uses different means to clear misunderstandings eventually.

Are you saying that the bible is God?