The terminal decline of Christianity in New Zealand

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It is my personal view that NZ is on the decline in ALL areas not just Christianity.
But where in the world is it not?
Christianity is increasing in China and Africa. Maybe in the future there will be missionaries from China and Africa that will come to New Zealand.

Here in Australia at least 1/3 of people are atheist or did not put their religion in the last census. In the next census that number will increase.

Both Australia and New Zealand urgently needs prayers for a revival.
 
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Christianity is increasing in China and Africa. Maybe in the future there will be missionaries from China and Africa that will come to New Zealand.

What if NZ is almost totally non-religious by then? It will be too late.

Here in Australia at least 1/3 of people are atheist or did not put their religion in the last census. In the next census that number will increase.

Thank gawd for that!

Both Australia and New Zealand urgently needs prayers for a revival.

Prayer does not work, perhaps theists will find another method?
 
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What if NZ is almost totally non-religious by then? It will be too late.



Thank gawd for that!



Prayer does not work, perhaps theists will find another method?
so your not christian i take it..
 
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What if NZ is almost totally non-religious by then? It will be too late.



Thank gawd for that!



Prayer does not work, perhaps theists will find another method?

Anything is possible with God. After all Peter converted 3000 people to Christians in one day. Acts 2:41 Those who accepted his message were baptised, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
 
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Not anymore.
Many people who stop being Christian do so because they never actually received salvation in the first place. What they had was religion / social club / emotionalism which are no good when you hit a trial.

Did you ever get what all the disciples received in Acts 2:4?

Did you join a church like the original where all members have it and where the gifts and ministries are operated in an orderly way?
 
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Many people who stop being Christian do so because they never actually received salvation in the first place. What they had was religion / social club / emotionalism which are no good when you hit a trial.

Did you ever get what all the disciples received in Acts 2:4?

You mean the holy spirit? I believed so at the time, but now I believe the Bible and Christianity are false.

Did you join a church like the original where all members have it and where the gifts and ministries are operated in an orderly way?

I belonged to a few different church's throughout my life, I'm not sure if all members had the holy spirit if thats what you mean.
 
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You mean the holy spirit? I believed so at the time, but now I believe the Bible and Christianity are false.
You are right about "Christianity", which will in turn have contaminated your view of the bible. Why do you say the bible is false - please don't just link to a website, please give a couple of examples.
 
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You are right about "Christianity", which will in turn have contaminated your view of the bible.

It was the other way round, it was my study of the bible that lead to my conclusion of Christianity.


Why do you say the bible is false - please don't just link to a website, please give a couple of examples.

The Bible exhibits the signs of a book written by man, about a god invented by man, as most religious books do.

The Bible has no more credibility than say...the holy Qu'ran or Bhagavad gita in my opinion.

FYI I believe ALL religions are false.

Give me an example from the Bible that is true?
 
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The Bible exhibits the signs of a book written by man, about a god invented by man, as most religious books do.

The Bible has no more credibility than say...the holy Qu'ran or Bhagavad gita in my opinion.

FYI I believe ALL religions are false.

Give me an example from the Bible that is true?

The original born again experience that brings people the Life spoken about in plain speech as well as symbols in the scriptures.

It's when you start speaking in tongues, an unlearned prayer language - Acts 2:4, 33; John 3:8, 1 Cor. 14:2, 4.

This is how God, in his wisdom, introduced the ascended Christ to Israel and how he confirmed entry into the new covenant to the Gentiles.

If you never received and used this it would explain why you walked away from what you assumed was "Christianity".

I hope you are open-minded enough to do as I and numerous others have done and prove to yourself whether or not this makes a difference.

(If you don't, your way is as "fake" and ineffective as any other man-make religion or philosophy!)
 
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The original born again experience that brings people the Life spoken about in plain speech as well as symbols in the scriptures.

It's when you start speaking in tongues, an unlearned prayer language - Acts 2:4, 33; John 3:8, 1 Cor. 14:2, 4.

This is how God, in his wisdom, introduced the ascended Christ to Israel and how he confirmed entry into the new covenant to the Gentiles.

If you never received and used this it would explain why you walked away from what you assumed was "Christianity".

I hope you are open-minded enough to do as I and numerous others have done and prove to yourself whether or not this makes a difference.

(If you don't, your way is as "fake" and ineffective as any other man-make religion or philosophy!)

I am open-minded enough to seek, study and do the research, having a Christian tell me that their religion is the only true religion is no different to what my Muslim and Hindu friends tell me about their religions.

I have studied their scriptures too, have you?
 
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You mean the holy spirit? I believed so at the time, but now I believe the Bible and Christianity are false.



I belonged to a few different church's throughout my life, I'm not sure if all members had the holy spirit if thats what you mean.

Just because someone is in church does not mean they are Christian:
After all Jesus said in that subject regarding that:

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

In addition:
The difference between Christianity and every other faith in the world is that all other religions are about man trying to reach up to God. Christianity is about God reaching down to man.”

In Islam, it is the works you do according to the Koran that you are saved. Yet in Christianity it is through grace only through Jesus that you can be saved.
 
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I am open-minded enough to seek, study and do the research, having a Christian tell me that their religion is the only true religion is no different to what my Muslim and Hindu friends tell me about their religions.

I have studied their scriptures too, have you?

You are trying to understand the truth of God from your own heart & mind ... he's not there!
That's what it means to be "in sin", i.e. in darkness.
You will fail which will only prove God right!
You cannot know the truth of God unless you look in the right place,
i.e. meet people that have found him
by receiving the same as all the disciples, and those they were sent to - His Spirit within
evidenced by speaking in tongues, followed by all the other signs, wonders and miracles
... meet people that have been transformed, hear God showing he knows your heart
through the gifts of prophecy, see proof of things spoken of 100s of years before etc.
Most "churches" don't have these things so it is highly unlikely that you have even been
to a church that is faithful in these matters. (I say "churches" because Jesus only set up
one church, he isn't confused, he knows what he wants & what he is returning for, who
get's him in the meantime - those choosing to be faithful to the original!)

To really understand and appreciate it you will need to choose to receive
God's Spirit yourself, but at least come and see the difference it makes.

Jesus began by saying "come and see" (John 1:38-39)

He later said:
"The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this
generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the
earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here."


People that will not "come and see" this "light"are also spoken of here:
"this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved
darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that does evil hates
the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:19-20)


If you choose rather to rely on your own intellect and form opinions based on second-hand
information and other people's prejudices (because they have limited and often coloured
experience) you will never know, you will just form your own opinion to base your life on,
which is really just another religion.
God never wanted religion, Jesus rejected it. God wants relationship, that's why Jesus
gave his Life, His Spirit for us to receive, he never came to bring a religion.
Relationship means 2 active persons ... you need to get where God is active and
desire to see what he wants to do in you!


Otherwise, you are, like Adam and Eve, falling for Satan's trick idea that being without
God is just as good, if not better. I meet many self-professed "seekers", but the truth
is, they are seeking excuses and self-justification.
 
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The Bible exhibits the signs of a book written by man, about a god invented by man, as most religious books do.

The Bible has no more credibility than say...the holy Qu'ran or Bhagavad gita in my opinion.

FYI I believe ALL religions are false.

Give me an example from the Bible that is true?

Tell me, what criteria do you use to evaluate any historical document?

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