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I agree Jim well said
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The positions on this as I understand this are as follows.
You are born again - but can be baptised in the Spirit - with tongues.
You are born again - but can be baptised in the Spirit - tongues can follow later or not at all after this experience.
You are Baptised in the Spirit at conversion and are automatically open to all the gifts of the Spirit at that point.
You are Baptised in the Spirit at conversion - but the gifts of the Spirit are no longer valid in this day and age.
take your pick, I suppose option 4 is a no no for most of us here.
I am now at stage #2 having evolved from stage #1 LOL
I do believe a delay in receiving the BITHS is verified by ACTS 8 (Samaritans) ACTS 9 (Paul) and Acts 19 (Ephesians).
I hate to disagree with Mr. Morris (though not really ), but there is only one baptism, Eph. 4.5—the baptism of the Spirit by which a believer is inducted (baptized) into the body of Christ and of which water baptism is a symbol. There are not three separate baptisms but one, as Eph. 4.5 tells us. The baptisms (plural) that Hebrews 6.2 mentions are not Christian baptisms at all, but purification rites practiced by Jewish (Hebrew) Christians—“With teachings about purifying, the laying on of hands, the resurrection from the dead, and eternal judgment and punishment. These are all matters of which you should have been fully aware long, long ago,” Heb. 6.2, AmpV (see also the ESV, CJB, CEB, HCSB, NAS, RSV, and a host of other contemporary translations).Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
This might interest you - it's about baptisms.
3 baptisms:
1- The Holy Spirit baptizes us in Jesus (salvation).
2- The disciples baptize in water Matt 28:19
3. (In/With) Matt 3:11 John the Baptist is speaking of Jesus - He will baptize you with The Holy Spirit and fire.
Pastor Robert Morris Receiving the Holy Spirit - Pastor Robert Morris - YouTube
The positions on this as I understand this are as follows.
You are born again - but can be baptised in the Spirit - with tongues.
You are born again - but can be baptised in the Spirit - tongues can follow later or not at all after this experience.
You are Baptised in the Spirit at conversion and are automatically open to all the gifts of the Spirit at that point.
You are Baptised in the Spirit at conversion - but the gifts of the Spirit are no longer valid in this day and age.
take your pick, I suppose option 4 is a no no for most of us here.
my position on the gifts, and take it for what it's worth, is that instead of the Holy Spirit giving just one gift to each believer (as the traditional Pentecostal doctrine I was taught holds) I believe each believer has the ability to operate in any gift the Holy Spirit offers because they have the Holy Spirit. He is the source behind the gifts, so all the gifts can operate. This way if you are out ministering, and someone has a need for healing, it's not like: "Oh well, my gift is not healing so I can't help you."
Now perhaps there is another option. Instead of each believer getting only one gift and thats it, or each believer has access to all gifts, what if:
In a traditional church setting, each believer has an assigned gift and then when believers are out in world doing what they do they have access to every gift so that every need can be met. So in church, one gift per believer, in the world, any gift to any believer.... Just a thought... So like a hybrid of both...
I just think what I started this post with is more accurate...
In its context the teaching that certain gifts are given in a Church setting is plain from scripture - but to say out in the highways and byways we can access them all is somewhat of a contradiction. We either have access to the gifts ALL the time or we don't. The Church is the called out ones anyway. I will say this - I KNOW WHERE MY CONFIDENCE LIES IN RELATION TO THE GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT AND I KNOW WHERE IT DOESN'T. For example, I have often prayed for the sick with in my opinion, little success (as far as I know) But If the gift of FAITH is required, I just take off.