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There is no such thing as a Christian nation. When Jesus comes to rule on this earth it will be on the "Throne of David".. that would be Israel. If anything USA is a part of the Roman Empire which fell apart.

"Christian" always apply to an individual and never to a nation.

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For the death penalty to be effective we don't need women and weak men on the jury of a murder trial. Anyone who afraid of an innocent person may accidentally be put death shouldn't be making the tough decisions like the death penalty. (the same with war) Innocent people are killed every day by automobiles (killed by someone else misjudgement) but no one is crying automobiles should be made illegal.


Ah, the old "people die anyways so we should continue to kill innocents" argument. :confused:
 
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The objective of the death penalty is not to kill innocent people no more than automobiles are designed to kill people.

Comparing car accidents to a deliberate process were someone is killed is disingenuous. It is not like there are no alternatives that we could come up with.
 
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There is no such thing as a Christian nation. When Jesus comes to rule on this earth it will be on the "Throne of David".. that would be Israel. If anything USA is a part of the Roman Empire which fell apart.

"Christian" always apply to an individual and never to a nation.

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For the death penalty to be effective we don't need women and weak men on the jury of a murder trial. Anyone who afraid of an innocent person may accidentally be put death shouldn't be making the tough decisions like the death penalty. (the same with war) Innocent people are killed every day by automobiles (killed by someone else misjudgement) but no one is crying automobiles should be made illegal.
Wrong. Jesus rules through Christian nations (anywhere Christians are in the majority). Washington DC is a throne of Jesus.
 
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Comparing car accidents to a deliberate process were someone is killed is disingenuous. It is not like there are no alternatives that we could come up with.

Seems strange that God couldn't come up with a viable alternative, but you can.
 
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Seems strange that God couldn't come up with a viable alternative, but you can.


Yeah, that does seem strange. I would think an all powerful deity would not be out done by his creation but there you go. Bonus points to me I guess.
 
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Wrong. Jesus rules through Christian nations (anywhere Christians are in the majority). Washington DC is a throne of Jesus.

Who decides whether a nation is Christian or not? Is it the Pew or Gallup polls people engage in when they self identify as following a certain religion?
 
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Ironically, that parable would, arguably, make the least religious nations on the earth (Scandinavia) the most christian ones.

Scandinavia is heavily culturally Christian, and Christians still come out as the majority in censuses. Just very few Scandinavians take religion that serious any more is all.
 
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Scandinavia is heavily culturally Christian, and Christians still come out as the majority in censuses. Just very few Scandinavians take religion that serious any more is all.

Christians come out ahead in censuses in large part because of the cultural heritage. Furthermore, other countries have longer and far more deeply engrained christian culture and heritages than Scandinavia. Yet none of those come close to the same level of equality, humanitarian dedication and compassion as Scandinavia does, judging by the statistics.

We are still left with the most areligious countries on the planet being the most deserving of being said to represent the gifts of the spirit which christians are supposed to embody. Moreover, if you pop by statemaster.com and check statistics related to these fruits of the spirit you will find an inverse correlation within the US with respect to faith density and the fruits. The more religious and conservative a state is, the less it embodies the fruits christians are supposed to embody - statistically speaking. Why is that? And why does the same trend appear internationally?

Sure, correlation does not imply causation, but the claim that more faith equals more goodness appears to not be supported by this correlation. If this were so then at the very least countries with longer and more deeply felt connections to christianity should manifest a significantly more prominent fulfilment of the fruits, on average. This is not the case. Why not?
Here's a guess: Christianity is just another man-made religion with no basis in a divinity or spiritual reality. Jesus may have been real, and his teachings (Not Paul's) are quite good. For the most part, the whole 'hate your family' thing (Luke 14:26) is not too good if taken literally. But that he had some good ideas does not mean the religion is true, lock stock and barrel.
 
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Who decides whether a nation is Christian or not? Is it the Pew or Gallup polls people engage in when they self identify as following a certain religion?
Who am I to judge? If a person says they are a Christian, that's good enough for me. But ultimately it's up to God. Since 312 AD, God only lets Christian nations have dominion over the earth, and if the US were not a Christian nation, we would not be ruling the earth.
 
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The dominant male class's intolerant and repressive attitudes toward the Other, particularly: women, minorities (ethnic, language, religious, sexual), foreigners, immigrants, diversity, multiculturalism.

Perhaps you're right.
 
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Who am I to judge? If a person says they are a Christian, that's good enough for me. But ultimately it's up to God. Since 312 AD, God only lets Christian nations have dominion over the earth, and if the US were not a Christian nation, we would not be ruling the earth.

Who are you to judge? I don't know, for someone who claims the enemies of Jesus should be killed, I got the feeling judging others, sort of came natural to you.
 
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Comparing car accidents to a deliberate process were someone is killed is disingenuous. It is not like there are no alternatives that we could come up with.
You are still referring to the innocent right? Are you saying the death penalty is deliberately design to kill innocent people? Justice and freedom has a heavy price tag.
 
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Who are you to judge? I don't know, for someone who claims the enemies of Jesus should be killed, I got the feeling judging others, sort of came natural to you.
What's your problem? We are clearly commanded to kill the enemies of Jesus, and that's what the US does. The point is, Jesus is OK with the death penalty.
 
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