dilemma how to tell atheist how ignorant of science they really are

[NannaNae]

well there is about three different subjects that I just can't communicate with the level of ignorance about these subjects that these proselytizing atheist on these lists are . they make the most stupid statements.

So someone explain this too me because I can't even imagine what they are talking about.

what does the sciences of athiest , the ones that involve only opinions of athiest ( anthropology, dna , archeology, astrophysics, most natural sciences and stuff like that and it it's belief in it's own ' logic' driven totally by opinion and philosophy ( and that is not any kind of science) what does have to do with toilets? running water? even electricity? what does "the logic" of the anti god and anti eyewitness philosophy have to do technology?

who is actually going to work every day and building these technologies! like toilets anyway ? now that doesn't imply in anyway that a toilet makers isn't more in touch with reality than the the priest of really goofy opinions and monkey business... and not at all likely that it is the do nothing fools who live only in their own belly buttons and live only to demean God and man who is building the toilets , the real toilet makers are probably way above that.. .

these .. academics or the priests of the goofy, the ignorant and more putty and racism about man and God and that they impose their own impotence and limits on our God and real history , what does that have to do with toilets or computers exactly ?


if we are against their opinions ( which by the way are not science) why do we have to be against toilets and computers ?

what does" science" of anthropology and archeology and racism and opinions of skulls and such have to do with electricity or toilets ?

what does the circular reasoning and their opinions of measurements of periodic tables in cosmic events they refuse to recognize .. have to do with technology ?

what does options of the stuff in soils and the levels of deposits of sand and earth and moon below our feet and their opinions, these people who refuse to see what is in their face..
what does that have to do with toilets and computers ?

what does the sciences of the most arrogant of Atheists that are ripping apart God's creation and His seeds as they are imposing themselves and their ideas into even into our food and into our animals , what does that have with toilets exactly?

what does opinions imposed on society of the spiritually blind deaf and dumb and extremely narcissistic and the self worshipping of their own "smartness " have to do with toilets and computers exactly?

what does the opinions and faked science and ignorance of weather cycles. and mans need to save the universe.. Superman!!!!! have to do with toilets ?

please would a Christian believer( of the whole bible) please explain what they are talking about? or even how it is connected .. because the logic of their opinions seems very much to be at least consistent and consistently just all kinds of wrong.

because I don't like or respect not one of their opinions about God, nature , dna or any other "natural" thing or their views and ideas imposed on it or others , which by the way has not one thing to do with real science.

so then they tell me I am not supposed to like using a toilet or a computer . and they imply I am a hypocrite for using technology if I don't like their opinions about the natural world and it's history ..
because obviously I am not smart enough to figure out the connection here ! someone is going to have to explain it too me!

 

[NannaNae]

if I have to except their opinions of what science is ,
and their opinions of what God is
and their opinions of what man is
and their opinions of technology is
their opinions of how nature functions or the laws of nature
their opinions of how dna functions
their opinions of how often it mutates..
and their opinions of what weather is
and their opinions of what history is

if I have to except their views and ideas wholesale ,( by the way they going cheap at any university near you..)

in order to use a toilet
I guess I won't use a toilet..
because they are wrong.

Does real science( explaining God laws, not man's laws) the ones that actually work . they work!! If I praise God for the laws of God in technology of say toilets and computers. why do I have to buy into their ideas about history and nature and except their imposing themselves and their oppionions into those things?

I mean so next week I get a degree in anthropology and say I do study into white people's culture . SO say then I take a back hoe into the Arlington cemetery so I can measure the skulls of hero's to see what race they really are.
Shouldn't something like that be offensive? I can hear the outcry now.. It stuff like this is a most basic human violation.
Their opinions lac ed with ideas they call science to camouflage their arrogance.. they don't allow anyone to be offended at their opinions and all their impositions and violations of common morality and common dignity in every arena they impose themselves into the lives of others . from our food to the graves they imposing themselves and their opinions..
see even on christian forums we can not escape their arrogance and ignorance about everything around them.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Um.

What?

-CryptoLuthearn

 

[Archie the Preacher]

Actually Nanna Nae, my dilemma is how to tell believing Christians how little they know about what the Bible says and the nature of God. Not to mention their absolute and total ignorance of science in the real Universe.

 

[NannaNae]

you will not respond to my threads again. thank you!

 

[Blessedj01]

I think if you want to get anywhere with this form of apologetic, you have to refrain from saying people are either ignorant or stupid.

Trust me - i'm not saying you're wrong, but a little grace will go a lot further than any intellectual argument ever could.

 

[NannaNae]

OH no I am in apologetics! sorry I don't argue with people for fun!

 

[NannaNae]

the churches have so much grace ooozing everywhere it appears as if it is license to do as people wish and think what they wish.. . where is repentance???!!!! where is that change of Psyche we are supposed to have ? where is his Lordship!
what they don't have is any understanding that he isn't just grace and neither is He impotent!

Jesus came here to reveal the fathers heart ..that wasn't Jesus, that was the father.


they won't be getting the lamb next.
and that no one , no one , no one , NO ONE ever has the right to demand HIS Grace especially while calling him impotent and mankind "logical"!

 

[NannaNae]

someone please shut down this thread in this section and or move it .

 

[Blessedj01]

I'm not even sure if the right word is apologetics, but that's my advice. Just try not to get personal over things because if people are offended in the wrong way then they will ignore your advice even if you are correct.

 

[andy b]

Actually Nanna Nae, my dilemma is how to tell believing Christians how little they know about what the Bible says and the nature of God. Not to mention their absolute and total ignorance of science in the real Universe.

Its not what you say its how you say it.If you want to get a message across try being more subtle and you may be heard.Nobody likes being called ignorant when you call some one ignorant your taking a higher position when you try and get a spiritual message across you have to speak from beneath.

 

[RDKirk]

well there is about three different subjects that I just can't communicate with the level of ignorance about these subjects that these proselytizing atheist on these lists are . they make the most stupid statements.

So someone explain this too me because I can't even imagine what they are talking about.!

Don't respond to their attempts to distract you from the gospel. Apologetics is the preaching of the gospel in ways understandable to various audiences.

Jesus practiced apologetics in the various ways He presented His word to different audiences: He spoke differently to the Samaritan woman than to Nicodemus, and even differently to a diverse crowd than to a small set of siblings.

Apologetics is not arguing about evolution or astronomy or cosmology. That's not the gospel, and apologetics must always be about the gospel.

But Satan constantly uses our fleshly desire to "win the argument" to distract us from the gospel by quickly and immediately engaging us in an argument about things we think we know.

That diabolical tactic detaches us from the Holy Spirit--because the Holy Spirit is all about the gospel, not about anthropology--and leaves us debating on our own devices.

 

[NannaNae]

Don't respond to their attempts to distract you from the gospel. Apologetics is the preaching of the gospel in ways understandable to various audiences.

Jesus practiced apologetics in the various ways He presented His word to different audiences: He spoke differently to the Samaritan woman than to Nicodemus, and even differently to a diverse crowd than to a small set of siblings.

Apologetics is not arguing about evolution or astronomy or cosmology. That's not the gospel, and apologetics must always be about the gospel.

But Satan constantly uses our fleshly desire to "win the argument" to distract us from the gospel by quickly and immediately engaging us in an argument about things we think we know.

That diabolical tactic detaches us from the Holy Spirit--because the Holy Spirit is all about the gospel, not about anthropology--and leaves us debating on our own devices.

you are so right , for every thing you see in my questions and this letter..
thank you for your advice.
but what you see isn't all the story either.
but I do see why you say what you said.
my only fleshly desire to date is just to prove my ancestors and my God are not liars.. but I only fight for my ancestors and they have been at the very very least been lying murdering and stealing from them for a long long time now .
and usually I will let God fight his own battles.

He let's very few people fight his battles for him.. he didn't like even Job fighting his battles . I'm no Job . so I try and stay out of his way!
If I have come to learn anything it is that he fights his own battles very well , but He always does it in his timing.

so thank you for your advice! I will pray about it and take it to heart.

 

[NannaNae]

How I said it was probably wrong.. I still don't understand how technology and the laws of technology , those laws that work.. have one thing to do with philosophies of atheist and their opinions and theories.
What does toilets and or computers have to do with opinions ? those aren't science. it is at best magic and mind control.

 

[Blessedj01]

How is a toilet magic?

 

[NannaNae]

opinions, fantasy, imaginations and superstitions of science is magic.. it never DID anything .
it has nothing to do with who creates technology and invents it and finds the real laws God created in this universe. ultimately their opinions will not determine who can use God's laws, God will.

 

[Radagast]

what does the sciences of athiest , the ones that involve only opinions of athiest ( anthropology, dna , archeology, astrophysics, most natural sciences and stuff like that and it it's belief in it's own ' logic' driven totally by opinion and philosophy ( and that is not any kind of science) what does have to do with toilets? running water? even electricity? what does "the logic" of the anti god and anti eyewitness philosophy have to do technology?

Well, the laws of physics certainly have a lot to do with technology. Quantum mechanics is needed to make silicon chips. Relativity is needed for GPS satellites.

If you're going to discuss science, best to learn some first, I think.

 

[ebia]

How is a toilet magic?

Try not having a toilet for a while.

 

[Harbingr]

Physics is the most fundamental science.
To be versed in physics is to have a valid desire to know the workings of reality.

The greatest scientists to have ever lived does not include Darwin- it is Einstein, Archimedes, Newton and so forth- these are the historical geniuses of man.

*Archimedes is my hero; a truly brilliant mind, and the only man who rivals Einstein.

 

[TheChristianSurvivalGuide]

I am confused. What is the question?