Do you have the feeling that the Rapture is just around the corner???

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I just have this feeling (I am kinda iffy if it's from the Lord/Holy Spirit or not) that we could be going home before the month is over. And, several other believers across the internet seem to have the same feeling. Just wondering what you guys think. Not trying to get any validation or anything just wanted to see what you guys on Christian Forums feel.
 
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Who knows when the second coming is going to happen. Be prepared:)

I don't want to get into our beliefs regarding the Rapture and all that. I just want to point out that the Rapture and the Second Coming are two SEPERATE events according to some people's beliefs and scripture just like how all those Old Testament prophecies regarding the Messiah (Jesus) coming can be split into his First and Second Comings.

But if you don't believe in the Pre-Trib position, that's fine and I don't wish to start an argument about it. We're all fellow believers here after all!

God bless you!
 
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All I can say is read Matthew 24 when the Disciples ask Jesus about the signs of the end and Jesus' response and keep an eye on the news AND the SKY! What has me the most excited is what is going on with Russia in regards to Ezekiel 38-39 we may be seeing the lead up to the Gog/Magog war with Crimea...
 
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I just have this feeling (I am kinda iffy if it's from the Lord/Holy Spirit or not) that we could be going home before the month is over. And, several other believers across the internet seem to have the same feeling. Just wondering what you guys think. Not trying to get any validation or anything just wanted to see what you guys on Christian Forums feel.

I'm at home right now. It a good place to be :clap:

Seriously, as long as you have Jesus in your heart and life you are already at home. You don't have to wait for a rapture. We should be living every minute of the day as though it was our last day. Our hope is in the resurrection. A lot of this rapture teaching is so much speculation, but the resurrection isn't. The most important thing is that we all are going to open our eyes some day and we will see Jesus.

Ken :bow:
 
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I just have this feeling (I am kinda iffy if it's from the Lord/Holy Spirit or not) that we could be going home before the month is over. And, several other believers across the internet seem to have the same feeling. Just wondering what you guys think. Not trying to get any validation or anything just wanted to see what you guys on Christian Forums feel.
So are you a believer in a secret rapture? Not all evangelical Christians believe in a secret rapture.
 
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So are you a believer in a secret rapture? Not all evangelical Christians believe in a secret rapture.

Not all evangelical Christians believe in a Rapture at all. Read the last part of Rev. 20 and the first part of 21 to see exactly what will happen when Jesus returns.
 
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Not all evangelical Christians believe in a Rapture at all. Read the last part of Rev. 20 and the first part of 21 to see exactly what will happen when Jesus returns.

Correct. Before the woman had dream in 1832, and the unprofitable preacher she told it to took it and ran with it, it was unheard of as far as I know.

Except, and no secret, when Jesus returns, at the moment He returns, THEN His Own who the Father gave Him up rise up in the air, the dead first, and then the living, to meet Him and with Him RETURN and STAY on earth as they are the meek who inherit the earth - it is the wicked who are threshed out and gone. The RIGHTEOUS** are "left behind"(just as in the days of NOAH, remember) (**very very very good life by faith through grace granted by Yhwh) to rule with Christ.
 
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Not all evangelical Christians believe in a Rapture at all. Read the last part of Rev. 20 and the first part of 21 to see exactly what will happen when Jesus returns.

The 'rapture' comes from this passage:


After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

In the Latin bible 'caught up' is rapiemur, from whence we get the term 'rapture'.

Therefore it's hard to imagine an evangelical Christian who does not believe in the rapture. The disagreement would be over when, pre-trib, post-trib etc.

God Bless You:)
 
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I just have this feeling (I am kinda iffy if it's from the Lord/Holy Spirit or not) that we could be going home before the month is over. And, several other believers across the internet seem to have the same feeling. Just wondering what you guys think. Not trying to get any validation or anything just wanted to see what you guys on Christian Forums feel.

The Lord Jesus in Matthew 24 said that when we see the fig tree blossom, we know that the time is near, even at the door.

Having seen the blossom of the fig tree we know that the Lord's return is at the door.

Therefore, as the sands have almost fallen, we should make the most of every opportunity to witness and to serve the cause of the Kingdom.
 
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Not all evangelical Christians believe in a Rapture at all. Read the last part of Rev. 20 and the first part of 21 to see exactly what will happen when Jesus returns.
I know and that is what I was referring to.

Why don't you do an exposition for us to consider of Rev 20-21 that demonstrates that there will be no rapture?
 
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The idea of the rapture portrayed in hollywood (ie, Left Behind, etc) is no where to be found in Christian history until about 200 years ago.

It's a modern invention.
I wouldn't be so sure that there are no hints of a rapture in the early church fathers. Your 'no where to be found in Christian history' is absolutistic. Have you read every word of the church fathers and early Christian documents?

Here are a couple of examples.

Irenaeus of Lyon in Against Heresies (written about AD 185) wrote:
Those nations however, who did not of themselves raise up their eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to their Maker, nor wished to behold the light of truth, but who were like blind mice concealed in the depths of ignorance, the word justly reckons "as waste water from a sink, and as the turning-weight of a balance-in fact, as nothing; " so far useful and serviceable to the just, as stubble conduces towards the growth of the wheat, and its straw, by means of combustion, serves for working gold. And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, "There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be." For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption (5.29.1, emphasis added).
Cyprian (AD 200-258) of Carthage in one of his Treatises wrote in describing the last times of tribulation:
He predicted and said that wars, and famines, and earthquakes, and pestilences would arise in each place; and lest an unexpected and new dread of mischiefs should shake us, He previously warned us that adversity would increase more and more in the last times....
And this, as it ought always to be done by God's servants, much more ought to be done now -- now that the world is collapsing and is oppressed with the tempests of mischievous ills; in order that we who see that terrible things have begun, and know that still more terrible things are imminent, may regard it as the greatest advantage to depart from it as quickly as possible. If in your dwelling the walls were shaking with age, the roofs above you were trembling, and the house, now worn out and wearied, were threatening an immediate destruction to its structure crumbling with age, would you not with all speed depart? If, when you were on a voyage, an angry and raging tempest, by the waves violently aroused, foretold the coming shipwreck, would you not quickly seek the harbour? Lo, the world is changing and passing away, and witnesses to its ruin not now by its age, but by the end of things. And do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an earlier departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? (Treatise 7.2, 25, on the mortality)
My reading of the church fathers (and I have not read every word from all of them) is that there is a fair sprinkling of post-tribulationism among them.

Oz
 
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I wouldn't be so sure that there are no hints of a rapture in the early church fathers. Your 'no where to be found in Christian history' is absolutistic. Have you read every word of the church fathers and early Christian documents?

Here are a couple of examples.

Irenaeus of Lyon in Against Heresies (written about AD 185) wrote:
Those nations however, who did not of themselves raise up their eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to their Maker, nor wished to behold the light of truth, but who were like blind mice concealed in the depths of ignorance, the word justly reckons "as waste water from a sink, and as the turning-weight of a balance-in fact, as nothing; " so far useful and serviceable to the just, as stubble conduces towards the growth of the wheat, and its straw, by means of combustion, serves for working gold. And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, "There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be." For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption (5.29.1, emphasis added).
Cyprian (AD 200-258) of Carthage in one of his Treatises wrote in describing the last times of tribulation:
He predicted and said that wars, and famines, and earthquakes, and pestilences would arise in each place; and lest an unexpected and new dread of mischiefs should shake us, He previously warned us that adversity would increase more and more in the last times....
And this, as it ought always to be done by God's servants, much more ought to be done now -- now that the world is collapsing and is oppressed with the tempests of mischievous ills; in order that we who see that terrible things have begun, and know that still more terrible things are imminent, may regard it as the greatest advantage to depart from it as quickly as possible. If in your dwelling the walls were shaking with age, the roofs above you were trembling, and the house, now worn out and wearied, were threatening an immediate destruction to its structure crumbling with age, would you not with all speed depart? If, when you were on a voyage, an angry and raging tempest, by the waves violently aroused, foretold the coming shipwreck, would you not quickly seek the harbour? Lo, the world is changing and passing away, and witnesses to its ruin not now by its age, but by the end of things. And do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an earlier departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? (Treatise 7.2, 25, on the mortality)
My reading of the church fathers (and I have not read every word from all of them) is that there is a fair sprinkling of post-tribulationism among them.

Oz

It was Pre-Tribulationism that Skala was saying is novel.

As you have demonstrated the non-dispensational chialist position is historically orthodox, as is the non-chialist position, what is completely novel is the dispensational position which is chialist and more than that because of a hermeneutic imposed upon Scripture have placed the 1 Thess eschaton before the tribulation, I'm not sure from where they derive the other points of theology to be able to place this passage here, but then I'm not invested in that system and find it to be more and more theologically lacking the more I study other overarching theological systems.

I think the reason why post-tribulationism has always been the norm is that for the first three centuries the Church lived it, for the next 1500 years we taught our people about the persecution and tribulation of those three centuries.
 
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