The near death experience of Pastor Bob Jones!

[DennisTate]

I can certainly see why Pastor Bob Jones was such a controversial figure over these past decades!!!!!!!

Bob Jones’ Testimony August 8, 1975 Death Experience 

“I was in pain on the earth and blood was shooting out of my mouth like a geyser.

And all of a sudden I wasn’t in pain anymore. This Man, the Parakleet (1) stood by my side, the Holy Spirit, we started walking. And as we walked, I saw a Man who was white light. (2) All white light was around Him, but He was the whitest of all white lights. He had His hands out. As I came into that white light, there came a feeling over me like I had never known before. I asked the Man beside me, “What is that?” The Man (Holy Spirit) said, It is the love of God. I said, “It’s just so wonderful, it’s so glorious.” And He said, “That’s what it is, it’s the glory of God.” I said, “How can it be both?” It’s in John 17. The love I had with the Father, the glory I had with the Father. So that was the greatest experience I have ever had. Just enveloped in His glorious love. That’s possible down here. The glory of God is coming and it is going to be in His glorious love.

I noticed another group of people on my left side and they had like a conveyor belt underneath them. And they were wrapped up in all different kinds of things. And I looked at them and I asked this Man, “Why are they wrapped up that way?” And He said, “They were wrapped up in the earth with their gods. It’s the gods they worshipped on the earth, that followed them into death. They were on their way to hell with their gods. I saw a man wrapped up in dollar bills. I saw a man wrapped up in his sod or grass, his yard was his god. I saw a man that had no body, he was just one big head. He was an atheist, he worshipped himself. He was his own god and going to hell with it. I saw all manner of things who people worshipped on the earth, who they are going to spend eternity with. Well I worshipped the Lord and I am going to spend eternity with Him. But these others that don’t are going to spend eternity in total darkness with their god. And their gods will be their tormentors not a hundred thousand years, but eternity.

So I looked at that line. It was so horrible and everyone when they came there, they recognized Him. Their eyes got big, and everyone that is going to hell has had a witness in one way or another that there is a God. And everyone of them willingly denied Him. For each 2 in the line that I was in, there was 98 in the other line.

I watched the Lord speak to people that were coming there. And He asked them only one question: “Did you learn to love?” He’s not going to ask you what you did. If you learn to love you are going to do that which is right. Did you learn to love? (3) He would ask them that question and they would say, Yes Lord and He would kiss them right on the lips and embrace them and the double doors of His heart would open and they would go right on in.

 

[JavaQueen2]

amazing isn't it?? That question actually haunts me...did I learn to love, I HOPE I can say yes.

 

[DennisTate]

amazing isn't it?? That question actually haunts me...did I learn to love, I HOPE I can say yes.

I am a former member of the Worldwide Church of God founded by Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong.

We used to commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit by theorizing that gifted Pentecostal/Charismatic believers were almost certainly tapping into power from the dark side of the force. I am truly glad that I did not pass on back in 1988 before my serious errors in this area were brought to my attention!!!

 

[DennisTate]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!

As I came close to the Lord, I was thinking, “I learned to love. I’m OK, I’m going home.” As I did, He held His hand up to me and said, “No I want you to go back.” I told Him, “It was too hard to get here. I don’t want to because I wasn’t doing any good there.” He said, “You are a liar, because you spoke My Words and My Words will always bring it to pass.” I said, “Well nobody was believing it and it was painful.” He said, “Yes, and you have a cowardly nature too. [Up there, it’s the truth.] (5) But you love. You had a heart for souls. I want you to go back. If you look at that line over there and then tell me you want to come in, I will bring you in.”

I looked at that line and looked at their faces and said I would go back for one. I would go back and spend a day on a cross for one. He said, “I’m not sending you back for that. I’m sending you back to wake up the church because I am going to bring a billion youth to Myself. In one of the greatest waves of all times. I’m going to honor Myself beyond anything that man can imagine. I want you to go back and touch the church and speak to the church of what I am going to do in these last days.” So I told Him I would come back.

 

[Faulty]

I watched the Lord speak to people that were coming there. And He asked them only one question: “Did you learn to love?” He’s not going to ask you what you did. If you learn to love you are going to do that which is right. Did you learn to love? (3) He would ask them that question and they would say, Yes Lord and He would kiss them right on the lips and embrace them and the double doors of His heart would open and they would go right on in.[bless and do not curse][/url]

"Did you learn to love", then He let them right on in?

That's salvation by what WE do! That's a different gospel. This isn't good at all.

 

[Messy]

"Did you learn to love", then He let them right on in?

That's salvation by what WE do! That's a different gospel. This isn't good at all.

It's good. He who hates his brother is in darkness until now.

Romans 2
(for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

Romans 13
Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

It's all about loving your neighbour. Sadhu Sundhar Singh even saw an idolater who never heard the gospel, but had love, died and accepted Jesus after the angels explained there was only one God.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

I can certainly see why Pastor Bob Jones was such a controversial figure over these past decades!!!!!!!

Bob Jones’ Testimony August 8, 1975 Death Experience[bless and do not curse]

Does anyone know if there was any medical difficulty or problems that brought about this experience? Like stopping of the heart or brain waves, ect

Almost every near death experience I have heard of (outside the church) has been based on a medical symptom that has shown the person legally dead or their body to have flat lined in a sense.

 

[talitha]

Dennis, as far as I know Bob Jones was never a pastor?
But anyway, I believe his experience was a prophetic one and not entirely literal, so....

 

[1livelystone]

"Did you learn to love", then He let them right on in?

That's salvation by what WE do! That's a different gospel. This isn't good at all.

There are different types of love but the love of God for us is "Agape"....... it is my opinion this is the love we are acquire. It is how we can love and pray for those who do evil things against us and others........ partly because we know why they do such things, "that they know not what they do," but also because the only reason we are not doing the same sins (or worse) is because of our Father's love for us

 

[Simon Peter]

Does anyone know if there was any medical difficulty or problems that brought about this experience? Like stopping of the heart or brain waves, ect

Apparently, it was caused by a severe, painful nosebleed.

In Bob's words:

“I was in pain on the earth and blood was shooting out of my mouth like a geyser."



peace,
Simon

 

[Messy]

Does anyone know if there was any medical difficulty or problems that brought about this experience? Like stopping of the heart or brain waves, ect

Almost every near death experience I have heard of (outside the church) has been based on a medical symptom that has shown the person legally dead or their body to have flat lined in a sense.

near-death experience that was caused by a severe, painful nosebleed


A demon appeared to me and said if you ever share that prophesy again I’ll kill you.” And so I told him I don’t belong to you anymore, I belong to the lord and I’m not afraid of you, you have no, uh, no uh, place to touch me, well he did that day and I went to the Lord in death

Bob Jones

 

[Messy]

This Man, the Parakleet (1) stood by my side, the Holy Spirit, we started walking. And as we walked, I saw a Man who was white light. (2) All white light was around Him, but He was the whitest of all white lights. He had His hands out. As I came into that white light, there came a feeling over me like I had never known before. I asked the Man beside me, “What is that?” The Man (Holy Spirit) said, It is the love of God.


This I find scary. The Holy Spirit is not a Man, there are not two Men or three Men you can see. Jesus is the Representation of the Father and the only One you can see. The Holy Spirit is in us, so is Jesus, so is the Father. (John 14) He is One and not seperated.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

This Man, the Parakleet (1) stood by my side, the Holy Spirit, we started walking. And as we walked, I saw a Man who was white light. (2) All white light was around Him, but He was the whitest of all white lights. He had His hands out. As I came into that white light, there came a feeling over me like I had never known before. I asked the Man beside me, “What is that?” The Man (Holy Spirit) said, It is the love of God.


This I find scary. The Holy Spirit is not a Man, there are not two Men or three Men you can see. Jesus is the Representation of the Father and the only One you can see. The Holy Spirit is in us, so is Jesus, so is the Father. (John 14) He is One and not seperated.

I agree.

I thought this also very odd. I have never heard of a near-death experience that has included the Holy Spirit. Ever.

Back in the days when I was looking into these experiences, many years ago, I found it was pretty much only a Jesus (or Christ-like) person they experienced.

We all know from the Word that no man will ever see the face of the Father and come back to earth. Very odd.

 

[1livelystone]

I agree.

I thought this also very odd. I have never heard of a near-death experience that has included the Holy Spirit. Ever.

Back in the days when I was looking into these experiences, many years ago, I found it was pretty much only a Jesus (or Christ-like) person they experienced.

We all know from the Word that no man will ever see the face of the Father and come back to earth. Very odd.

When I had mine I did not see anyone but it was if I was inside life itself. I was expecting to see someone but it was just a presence of light and life without any shape or form. The physical things that appeared were IMO not actual physical items (books and a table) but a history of my life on earth and the book of life letting me know things were being reviewed and a judgment passed the same as John saw in Re. 20: 12,13.

 

[geetrue]

When I had mine it wasn't a near death experience ... it was a real death experience. Evidently I died on the way to the hospital on a lonely road in Lakeside, California, hit in the head from behind. I did not see it coming.

I woke up on the operating table with a green sheet over my head and a very strong light, probably the ER room light. I heard the doctor say, "you've lost a lot of blood son"

I said, "that's nice" and went back to sleep. No visions, no Jesus, no nothing just a hospital bed with a TV playing when I finally woke up. I know one thing I didn't feel like smoking cigarettes anymore lol

Two years and two months go by before I walked forward to say, "Yes Lord yes" ...

with that said I must add that I have indeed met Jesus several times. A couple of times were face to face here on the earth and never out of my body in a heavenly realm.

The last time I saw Jesus he was a very bright light with what looked like a bow inverted in his right hand. I asked what that was in his hand and an angel said that it was the seven stars.

I'm not sure what Bob Jones saw all I can say is that Jesus indeed can be a very bright light so bright that it is like a man burning up with a very white intensity. He speaks and you listen.

Bob Jones was involved in the Lakeland, Florida so called revival hosted by Todd Bentley and God TV ... neither of which are of any major move in the body of Christ.

The devil does not like anyone that close to God without getting involved himself so I will forgive them and move on. If we don't forgive neither will our Father in heaven forgive us.

One last note ... it's hard to imagine the devil fooling Bob Jones saying he wants one billion young people to come to know Jesus.

I hope that part is true, but if the devil couldn't deceive you he wouldn't try now would he.

 

[Alithis]

Dennis, as far as I know Bob Jones was never a pastor?
But anyway, I believe his experience was a prophetic one and not entirely literal, so....

iv never read more then in the op ..but i see immediately it is allegory via vision etc .

 

[ToBeBlessed]

If you are interested, we are discussing Bob Jones more here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7806463/

 

[Alithis]

Bob Jones was involved in the Lakeland, Florida so called revival hosted by Todd Bentley and God TV ... neither of which are of any major move in the body of Christ.

two things happened at lake-land and they are no different to every revival in history .

# 1 ..God visited
# 2 ..man misbehaved

one does not invalidate the other . but man only looked at what man did .. and then judged God ... and man .
how fickle ,how foolish we are.

 

[Alithis]

I agree.

I thought this also very odd. I have never heard of a near-death experience that has included the Holy Spirit. Ever.

Back in the days when I was looking into these experiences, many years ago, I found it was pretty much only a Jesus (or Christ-like) person they experienced.

We all know from the Word that no man will ever see the face of the Father and come back to earth. Very odd.

-note im not defending bob jones ..i still have NOT heard or read his entire testimony - ,i'm only commenting on comments ...

isn't it funny(odd) how we perceive things .Yet our perception can be based only on what, we personally, have thus far experienced .
also wording -as you have taught me -is so important .

ie -you say you have never heard of the Holy Spirit being included .. yet he (The LORD Jesus referred to Him as "He") .. is the spirit of Christ .. he is the person of God .. he is God .. etc, 3 in one ,or however you wish to mingle the terminology "I and the father are one " etc .
so in effect in any experience where one meets with the lord JESUS in the spirit (outside of the flesh body) the HolySpirit is never EXCLUDED .

another consideration for thought is the account of Abraham, which I ,and i'm sure all who stop to consider it, have found wonderfully intriguing ...
I will insert in blue only to emphasize my point of interest

The Lord(singular AND plural ) appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord,[a] do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.”

“Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.”

cool isnt it ? when we stop to consider ..its ratles our trees of perception of how the LORD GOD can manifest himself to us ..for here we see abrahm is visit by
the lord
as three men
He speaks to the LORD as one
and THEY answer him .

then we have the lord manifesting himself Jacob as an angel and after wrestling he says“It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

then we have God appearing to Moses in the form of a bush that burned ..this was a pure manifestation of the Holy Spirit .. as i have seen a 12 year old boy with my own eyes ..with tongues of fire flickering over his entire body in just such a manner but he was not burned .
then there are others but the most amazing one is ..

God speaks and his word is manifest to us in the form of flesh .and his name is JESUS

my point is , our present perceptions do not limit God .we cannot say ..God doesn't appear this way or that way ...
anyway its just food for thought

 

[Tobias]

-note im not defending bob jones ..i still have NOT heard or read his entire testimony - ,i'm only commenting on comments ...

isn't it funny(odd) how we perceive things .Yet our perception can be based only on what, we personally, have thus far experienced .
also wording -as you have taught me -is so important .

ie -you say you have never heard of the Holy Spirit being included .. yet he (The LORD Jesus referred to Him as "He") .. is the spirit of Christ .. he is the person of God .. he is God .. etc, 3 in one ,or however you wish to mingle the terminology "I and the father are one " etc .
so in effect in any experience where one meets with the lord JESUS in the spirit (outside of the flesh body) the HolySpirit is never EXCLUDED .

another consideration for thought is the account of Abraham, which I ,and i'm sure all who stop to consider it, have found wonderfully intriguing ...
I will insert in blue only to emphasize my point of interest

The Lord(singular AND plural ) appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord,[a] do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.”

“Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.”

cool isnt it ? when we stop to consider ..its ratles our trees of perception of how the LORD GOD can manifest himself to us ..for here we see abrahm is visit by
the lord
as three men
He speaks to the LORD as one
and THEY answer him .

then we have the lord manifesting himself Jacob as an angel and after wrestling he says“It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

then we have God appearing to Moses in the form of a bush that burned ..this was a pure manifestation of the Holy Spirit .. as i have seen a 12 year old boy with my own eyes ..with tongues of fire flickering over his entire body in just such a manner but he was not burned .
then there are others but the most amazing one is ..

God speaks and his word is manifest to us in the form of flesh .and his name is JESUS

my point is , our present perceptions do not limit God .we cannot say ..God doesn't appear this way or that way ...
anyway its just food for thought

Wait, didn't you get the memo? Modern day prophets are not judged by the Bible. They are judged by our doctrines concerning the Bible!


Prophets in the Bible saw unexplainable visions. But today's prophets must have visions that are perfectly clear and line up exactly with the visions talked about in the Bible. Prophets in the Bible made mistakes, but were still considered prophets of God. There is no such grace extended to prophets today!

Prophets are judged today by whatever our expectations for prophets happens to be, not by the example of prophets in the scriptures. For half the body of Christ, the expectation is that "There are no more prophets." And then for most of the other half, the expectation is ; "99% of the prophets are False".