Democrats Run Away From Obamacare

[dogs4thewin]

So you can demonstrate there is a 100% probability that you would be dead now without Obamacare? I thought doctors saved lives, not insurance companies.

yeah and look I am 22 and take death BADLY. I am young, but no fool I understand that in this fallen world everyone WILL die unless Jesus should come back first) I have even unlike many people my age accepted MY OWN mortality. Now granted, that probably has to do with the fact that I know I have some life-long health problems that many my age do NOT face, however, I have already made some decisions on what treatments I am not willing to seek. No piece law will change that death is a part of life and frankly no piece of law or probably anything else will change the decisions I have made concerning certain treatments.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Actually it is saving lives

How? They could have sought treatment before they can seek it now.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

This program doesn't need to be fixed it needs to be replaced with single payer universal health care. Putting in place a "compromise" program like this borrowed straight from Republican and Heritage Foundation proposals was a bad move from the start. People elected Obama because they wanted change. They wanted someone who would stick up for liberal / progressive principles and not someone who would sell out as soon as they took office. Obama should apologize for not doing the right thing from the get go and throw all his strength into supporting a good single payer system along the lines of Canada or France. It would be great if some members of the Democratic party went in this direction but unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon. The Democratic party is just to centrist and would probably even qualify as center right in many European countries. We don't have a strong liberal movement in this country.

 

[dogs4thewin]

This program doesn't need to be fixed it needs to be replaced with single payer universal health care. Putting in place a "compromise" program like this borrowed straight from Republican and Heritage Foundation proposals was a bad move from the start. People elected Obama because they wanted change. They wanted someone who would stick up for liberal / progressive principles and not someone who would sell out as soon as they took office. Obama should apologize for not doing the right thing from the get go and throw all his strength into supporting a good single payer system along the lines of Canada or France. It would be great if some members of the Democratic party went in this direction but unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon. The Democratic party is just to centrist and would probably even qualify as center right in many European countries. We don't have a strong liberal movement in this country.

Again, death is part of life NO healthcare law can ( on its own save lives) and it CERTAINLY cannot change mortality. There is nothing sure in life but what and taxes the saying is not there is nothing certain in life but long life and taxes but what?

 

[HonestTruth]

This program doesn't need to be fixed it needs to be replaced with single payer universal health care. Putting in place a "compromise" program like this borrowed straight from Republican and Heritage Foundation proposals was a bad move from the start. People elected Obama because they wanted change. They wanted someone who would stick up for liberal / progressive principles and not someone who would sell out as soon as they took office. Obama should apologize for not doing the right thing from the get go and throw all his strength into supporting a good single payer system along the lines of Canada or France. It would be great if some members of the Democratic party went in this direction but unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon. The Democratic party is just to centrist and would probably even qualify as center right in many European countries. We don't have a strong liberal movement in this country.

Actually Obama did try as per the August, 2008 DNC platform. But it was DINOcrats who sided with the Republicans who forced this change. Obama signed into law but it was better than nothing. Therefore, I would not blame him but blame Congresspeople of both parties.

 

[jayem]

This program doesn't need to be fixed it needs to be replaced with single payer universal health care. Putting in place a "compromise" program like this borrowed straight from Republican and Heritage Foundation proposals was a bad move from the start. People elected Obama because they wanted change. They wanted someone who would stick up for liberal / progressive principles and not someone who would sell out as soon as they took office. Obama should apologize for not doing the right thing from the get go and throw all his strength into supporting a good single payer system along the lines of Canada or France. It would be great if some members of the Democratic party went in this direction but unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon. The Democratic party is just to centrist and would probably even qualify as center right in many European countries. We don't have a strong liberal movement in this country.

A well-structured single-payer health insurance system is neither conservative, nor liberal. It's pragmatic. It's the only option that can work, and it should transcend politics.

 

[Sadalbari]

yeah and look I am 22 and take death BADLY. I am young, but no fool I understand that in this fallen world everyone WILL die unless Jesus should come back first) I have even unlike many people my age accepted MY OWN mortality. Now granted, that probably has to do with the fact that I know I have some life-long health problems that many my age do NOT face, however, I have already made some decisions on what treatments I am not willing to seek. No piece law will change that death is a part of life and frankly no piece of law or probably anything else will change the decisions I have made concerning certain treatments.

Actually it is saving non-suicidal lives!

 

[Sadalbari]

Again, death is part of life NO healthcare law can ( on its own save lives) and it CERTAINLY cannot change mortality. There is nothing sure in life but what and taxes the saying is not there is nothing certain in life but long life and taxes but what?

Actually it is saving non-suicidal lives!

 

[Creech]

All this constant talk about Obamacare is boring IMO. Republicans focus on Obamacare while this country is being destroyed as we know it.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Actually it is saving non-suicidal lives!

They ccould have sought treatment before and they can now. They could have chosen to run out of money or break the law you knowb they provide healthcare in prison.

 

[Sadalbari]

They ccould have sought treatment before and they can now. They could have chosen to run out of money or break the law you knowb they provide healthcare in prison.

Actually it is helping save lives

 

[dogs4thewin]

Actually it is helping save lives

What I am saying is people had ACCESS before.

 

[Sadalbari]

What I am saying is people had ACCESS before.

Actually it is saving lives

 

[JoyJuice]

Maybe they should have read it before the passed something that needed so much fixing, huh?

How many exceptions to the ACA has Obama now legislated himself?

Great, now we understand the article is not making the point of anyone running against it, only how to run with it.

Next time perhaps read your own link makes sure the study supports the claim,

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Thing is, that excise tax isn't in effect, so your employer didn't have reason to drop your plan.

That tax needs to be stripped out too. Dropping a 40% tax overnight is like a financial bomb going off.

It's more complicate than that, if I understand it correctly. Seems like I read the excise tax is based on the average of multiple years, not just what happens in 2017, so they drop it now to not get into the average. But there is probably some truth to what you said - it is easy to play into this and use it to shift costs more to employees. My company claims to have kept paying 80% of our total costs, and we keep paying 20%. I know our biweekly rates premiums did not go up this year, so perhaps in the overall balance, the 80/20% split is true.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Actually Obama did try as per the August, 2008 DNC platform. But it was DINOcrats who sided with the Republicans who forced this change. Obama signed into law but it was better than nothing. Therefore, I would not blame him but blame Congresspeople of both parties.

Remind us again - how many of these Republicans in Congress and Senate voted for the ACA? Zero. So Democrats had free reign to do whatever they wanted. They chose the ACA the way it is. They own it, no matter how people try to spin it otherwise. The voting record is indisputable.

 

[A2SG]

Remind us again - how many of these Republicans in Congress and Senate voted for the ACA? Zero. So Democrats had free reign to do whatever they wanted. They chose the ACA the way it is. They own it, no matter how people try to spin it otherwise. The voting record is indisputable.

It isn't true that Democrats had "free reign to do whatever they wanted." If so, a public option would still be on the table.

The reason democrats went with the Heritage Foundation plan was to compromise with republicans. Who knew the GOP would abandon the idea they once supported just because democrats now supported it?

-- A2SG, weird, huh?

 

[HonestTruth]

All this constant talk about Obamacare is boring IMO. Republicans focus on Obamacare while this country is being destroyed as we know it.

Numerous Republicans have gone on record that they hope Obama will fail as president. Their actions clearly being intended to destroy his administration and the USA at the same time. That's no secret.

 

[MachZer0]

Numerous Republicans have gone on record that they hope Obama will fail as president. Their actions clearly being intended to destroy his administration and the USA at the same time. That's no secret.

From the conservative perspective, Obama failing would be saving the USA

 

[dogs4thewin]

Numerous Republicans have gone on record that they hope Obama will fail as president. Their actions clearly being intended to destroy his administration and the USA at the same time. That's no secret.

Or maybe they agree with MANY other Republicans that Obama IS destroying America.