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And as said before, it's rather obvious you're more concerned with seeking validation of your views from others who noted they neither agreed nor cared for them than actually focused on seeing what others have said. But no one cares to give you validation - nor is it an issue. Thus, any scripture you wish to post is really more so a matter of posting it for yourself to see - and that's fine. Others already resolved the matter - and whether or not you agreed with the issue is another issue....but that's all it is.Unsolved issues are unsolved issues.
Do you think that just because we have been over this, that I am to remain silent and never to reply again? Your attitude is always that we have been over it, so why do I keep coming back to the forum expecting to find a real live person to communicate with? I didn't come to God with the idea of wanted to Be Israel, but I am taught by the New Testament that we Gentiles are grafted into Israel.
If this is wrong, then how in the world could I list scripture that shows a Gentile being found within the inheritance of Israel and given a better name than sons and daughters? How do I list actual scriptures of how Gentile can become a Jew? These are not my ideas, again, I can list scriptures SAYING THAT GENTILES CAN BECOME A LEVITE.
I didn't write it, I didn't have an identity crisis and create it, I read it.
And when I read in Romans how Gentiles are made one man with the Jew, I believe it. When I am shown that I AM A SON OF ISAAC, I believe it. When I am shown that all Israel is not Israel just because they were born of Israel, and all Abraham is not Abraham just because they were born Abraham, I believe it.
Its not a conspiracy G, They are promises to gentiles.
As it is, you already assumed others were speaking directly to you when that wasn't even the case - I was speaking to Messianic Jewboy /marc and noting how often it has been the case (based on what's said and the testimonies of those who used to do it) that claiming Gentiles HAD to be seen as a tribe of Israel in order for God to accept them was a matter of identity crisis (as noted in #117 ).....in agreement with what he said when it came to Galatians 3-4 and what St. Paul noted on the issue of Gentiles being accepted as Children of Abraham by faith in the Messiah.
However, you chose to focus in on it as if I was speaking to you - and the same thing occurred before in #41 when I made brief comment about something Marc and I were discussing and you jumped in as if others were focusing on you (as seen in #42 ..and which I had to address in #50 ) - derailing the discussion. In the event it is not clear....please know that how you think or convincing you is not that important to me in the grand scheme of things to have that much focus where everything I write to another must somehow be about you....and that's something I'd suggest you'd respectfully learn to get over if it keeps coming up. I don't really care to talk to you in general nor do I think it's that substantial in what you do share with me - but if you wish to keep coming back as if I was concerned with listening to you, okay.
There are others you can discuss with if wishing to find agreement - and thus, one needs to actually be accurate in facts before claiming "Your attitude is always that we have been over it, so why do I keep coming back to the forum expecting to find a real live person to communicate with?" - there are others throughout CF who will talk to you if wanting real live people to communicate with. The problem is when it's apparent you're focused on only one or two you keep trying to get to communicate with you as if they asked for it - that'd be like me always going for someone who doesn't believe that eating locusts is Kosher and continually bringing up the same questions/issues when they talk to others.....it's a moot point at that point.
Choosing to focus on trying to talk to others already disagreeing with you/not caring to go further shows one is trying to force the issue of them being heard ....which tends to come off as showing the dynamic of somehow needing others to approve of what you hold to in order for it to be secure. That's not a good place to be - for one can simply walk away.
If you wish to preach to yourself or post whatever scripture you wish that would make you feel as if others you want to listen are listening, you're free to do so - but it is essentially you preaching to yourself. All the questions you asked have been dealt with - that's simple enough - and the fact that you refuse to deal with it shows one is not willing to deal with what they don't wish to agree to. But leading questions generally don't do well for actual discussion if wanting real addressing of the scriptures
Moreover, one doesn't ask loaded/double-barreled questions and assume "Yes" or "No" is the sum of them - that's not dealing with accuracy...so you were already off going into things without addressing things that give basis for the question (such as "Does St. Paul/Scripture note Gentiles become Children of Abraham by Faith according to Romans 3-4 and Galatians 3-4?" or "Does St. Paul note that Gentiles and Jews - seen as Israel - are distinct?" or "Did Yeshua ever claim Gentiles were Israel?"). If you don't do that, as a basic in surveys, you show the survey was incomplete to begin with and not to be taken seriously since it was selective - for you don't ask a question with a false, disputed, or question-begging presupposition...in the same way that asking "Have you stopped beating your wife?" presupposes that you have beaten your wife prior to its asking, as well as that you have a wife (and If you are unmarried, or have never beaten your wife, then the question is loaded).
So one must actually be factual with the questions before choosing to ask them - you've yet to deal with what others already asked you, so there's no need doing likewise with you if you cannot do the same (Luke 20:1-8). For it'd not be proper...
And for the sake of the common lurker wanting to see where each and every question has been asked (in addition to follow up paragraphs/pages by the poster when the answer wasn't what they wanted to hear ON EACH and EVERY scripture brought up), one can go to the following. For as said before here in #48, Others - as before - already spoke in-depth on the issue which the common lurker can go back/see for reference rather than bringing up the entirety of postings others made on the matter before (as discussed in previous threads here, here,here, here, here ...#122 as a basic ..and others such as #180 and #146 /#154). It is nothing new - and others have consistently/repeatedly dealt with each and every prophecy brought up by yourself whenever you wanted to make it an issue - it is zero evidence showing otherwise on the matter when it comes to multiple people (macher, sevengreenbeans, Shimshon in his commentary on the issue, myself, etc.) who have all done so - all of whom have noted the many ways Israel was always multifaceted and that Gentiles were included a part of Israel in various ways ...for I already noted that plainly as did others - pat34lee, in example, received a lot of hassle over it due and I and others defended him on the issue...from the thread entitled Identity Chrisis: Slander..and other places being Who is a Jew? From our older son or here/elsewhere....)....
Others already addressed the way the Messiah reached out to Gentiles and NEVER expected them at any point to become one of the tribes of Israel - nor said that was a standard. This has been shared directly in #163 with you before - and the same thing goes for the ways the Levitical Priesthood evolved (which was already discussed with you before in #72 / #73 or here in #60 when speaking on priests - what Christ did by going outside of the Levitical priesthood to establish His own priesthood of which all Hebrews and Gentiles could be a part of....more shared in #258 )
Gentiles don't become Levites - that role was specifically given to the Levites. There are other roles similar to it and that go above it - but being a Levite isn't what God ever said of Gentiles. That's a basic that one will either wrestle with and understand in time - or not. Brother James Pyles did an excellent presentation on the matter before that the common lurker may find beneficial - as seen in Who is a Priest? Kohein Levi - Congregation Shema Yisrael
It's not rocket-science, Hannibal. And again, others have noted they disagreed. If one was cool in what they knew, they would walk away from it - but in trying to pursue the matter, that's an issue (IMHO).
But again, ultimately If wanting to hear yourself preach, by all means ...have iat it, Bruh It'll simply be on ignore...
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