If you become a Christian you will get rich

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

But I know lots about them. They're on TV asking for money, giving false prophecies like this one:

Orlando Christian Center, December 31st, 1989
“The Spirit tells me – Fidel Castro will die – in the 90’s. Oooh, my! Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed. But there will come a change in his physical health, and he will not stay in power, and Cuba will be visited of God.” – Benny Hinn

William's Blog: Benny Hinn - The Lying Prophet



Weren't you saying something about money (and by implication, prosperity gospel) is necessary to spread the Gospel? So... who converts? Was it Paul, Apollos, or God? And was any of the men of God actually rich?

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

really what was the judgement? If you had been with God you would not have falsely accused me. words Jesus spoke when He was falsely accused.

Like I said we are to use God's judgement.

And now you are slandering me. I did not falsely accuse you. In fact not only did you judge me but here you are judging me again and for something you are falsely accusing me of no less.

BTW if I did falsely accuse you (which I didn't, that is a lie) Then you couldn't judge me without being a hypocrite anyways, since you say judging is wrong. BTW it isn't. Hypocritical judgment is wrong though.

Look at Matthew 7:1-5 and Romans 2. You are not supposed to judge people for what you yourself do.

try to stay on topic not bashing.

You mean do as I say not as I do? Taking a potshot at my forum name was not staying on topic.

 

[Bluelion]

And now you are slandering me. I did not falsely accuse you. In fact not only did you judge me but here you are judging me again and for something you are falsely accusing me of no less.

BTW if I did falsely accuse you (which I didn't, that is a lie) Then you couldn't judge me without being a hypocrite anyways, since you say judging is wrong. BTW it isn't. Hypocritical judgment is wrong though.

Look at Matthew 7:1-5 and Romans 2. You are not supposed to judge people for what you yourself do.


You mean do as I say not as I do? Taking a potshot at my forum name was not staying on topic.

I least i keep with the topic you have not posted anything on topic.

Oh accuse me great accuser. It was not Me who Judged you but God. You said i judged you the first time there was no judgement and you have not brought forth prove. i know my first point was not a judgement, so you falsely judged me, and what did Jesus say about people who do that, That God did not lead them in there judgement.

Now you call me a liar, that is judgement you judge it as a lie, in fact now faith even explained to you my first post was not a judgement but me stating my beliefs. So your judgement of me being a lair is false, because i am speaking the truth, and who is The Spirit of Truth? The Holy Spirit, so I am lead by God if i speak the truth, because God is truth. Your judgement are false so it is not God leading you. Who is the lair and great accuser satan, that is who is infecting your mind.

Its ok they called Jesus a lair as well.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

I least i keep with the topic you have not posted anything on topic.

Oh accuse me great accuser. .

Are you seriously saying that accusing someone of something that they did in fact do (which Jesus did all the time) is bad AND accusing me of being an accuser? Didn't Jesus accuse people of doing things that they did in fact do? Isn't accusing someone of being an accuser after saying that being an accuser is bad hypocritical?

You did judge me you liar. I never called Jesus a liar, you are slandering me. You are lying when you say you didn't judge me. I spoke the truth I didn't falsly accuse you of anything. I spoke the truth and accused you of things you actually did! I have proof as well, it is right here on this forum.

You are a hypocrite. Btw you know who called people hypocrites when they were being hypocrites? Jesus did! Oh well you mean Jesus accused people of being hypocrites? Yes he did. He also refered to some kinds of people as pigs and dogs (Matt 7:6) and called people thieves, liars, and even told people claiming God was their father that their father was the devil in John 8:44. So how are you going to tell me that it is wrong to accuse or judge people?

You ever read Acts 7? Oh no was Stephan being an acusser, oh the horror, the horror! Oh noes!!! Did you even read 1st Corinthins 5 or Galations 2? Oh noes it's horribles just horribles. Now Paul to. How about John 2:15-17? Jesus and the whip of cords, overturning of the tables?

 

[Bluelion]

Are you seriously saying that accusing someone of something that they did in fact do (which Jesus did all the time) is bad AND accusing me of being an accuser? Didn't Jesus accuse people of doing things that they did in fact do? Isn't accusing someone of being an accuser after saying that being an accuser is bad hypocritical?

You did judge me you liar. I never called Jesus a liar, you are slandering me. You are lying when you say you didn't judge me. I spoke the truth I didn't falsly accuse you of anything. I spoke the truth and accused you of things you actually did! I have proof as well, it is right here on this forum.

You are a hypocrite. Btw you know who called people hypocrites when they were being hypocrites? Jesus did! Oh well you mean Jesus accused people of being hypocrites? Yes he did. He also refered to some kinds of people as pigs and dogs (Matt 7:6) and called people thieves, liars, and even told people claiming God was their father that their father was the devil in John 8:44. So how are you going to tell me that it is wrong to accuse or judge people?

You ever read Acts 7? Oh no was Stephan being an acusser, oh the horror, the horror! Oh noes!!! Did you even read 1st Corinthins 5 or Galations 2? Oh noes it's horribles just horribles. Now Paul to. How about John 2:15-17? Jesus and the whip of cords, overturning of the tables?

Funny thing is Jesus had proof you still can not show any proof. You call me a lair when i speak the truth, is that like calling evil Good and Good evil? Your going down hill fast.

You compare what you do to Jesus yet you I see you showing no love, Jesus loved everyone. i been nice to you even sympathized with your sister. Yet you did not even acknowledge it just went right on attacking. Maybe you should look at cor 13 to find what Love is. Seems to me you should focus on Love and forgiveness before you go around judging and condemning.

Mathew 5

21 “You have heard that our ancestors were told, ‘You must not murder. If you commit murder, you are subject to judgment.’[d] 22 But I say, if you are even angry with someone,[e] you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot,[f] you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone,[g] you are in danger of the fires of hell.[h]

23 “So if you are presenting a sacrifice at the altar in the Temple and you suddenly remember that someone has something against you, 24 leave your sacrifice there at the altar. Go and be reconciled to that person. Then come and offer your sacrifice to God.

25 “When you are on the way to court with your adversary, settle your differences quickly. Otherwise, your accuser may hand you over to the judge, who will hand you over to an officer, and you will be thrown into prison. 26 And if that happens, you surely won’t be free again until you have paid the last penny.[j]

The judgement he referred to is from God. That is why the word Judges you.

I would warn you what you say and do to a child of God for what you do to the least of Jesus's brother you do to him.

 

[Keachian]

I think some in this thread need some Catechesis:

Q: Who is the first and best of all beings?
A: God is the first and best of all beings.

Q: What is the chief end of man?
A: Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy Him forever.

In these two we see that our blessing beyond measure comes from our communion with God, as we glorify God and enjoy Him forever we are blessed because we are fulfilling our purpose in creation.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

Bluelion you may have been the one who started to go off topic but this is my fault to. I have started another thread for the purpose of discussing my name and how Jesus never issued a blanket prohibition against judgment but forbade hypocritical judgment.

To get back to topic we need Rich Christians! We need middle class Christians. We need Christians who are poor and even homeless. We need Christians in academia and we also need Christians outside of academia. We do not need cookie cutter Christians! If all Christians were rich less people would be reached with the Gospel. If none were rich likewise not as many people would be reached with the gospel. If no Christians went into academia not as many people would be reached with the gospel. If every Christian went into academia likewise not as many people would be reached with the gospel.

We need Pastors but we also need Soldiers, Firefighters, Policemen, Lawyers, Doctors, Construction Workers, CARPENDERS lol, Politicians, and burger flippers.

You will not become rich if you become a Christian. You may but its not like God blesses everyone who gets saved financially in this life. That is a good thing! All true Christians will be richer then Bill Gates could ever hope to be when we get to heaven anyways.

We are commanded to study to be ready to give an answer to every man who asks us a reason for the hope that's in us AND to preach the gospel. The great commission is important! Money is not. Although rich Christians do have a great opportunity.

Oh btw many people say that money is the root of evil. What scripture really says is that the LOVE OF money is the root of all evil. (1 Tim 6:10)

 

[Bluelion]

Bluelion you may have been the one who started to go off topic but this is my fault to. I have started another thread for the purpose of discussing my name and how Jesus never issued a blanket prohibition against judgment but forbade hypocritical judgment.

To get back to topic we need Rich Christians! We need middle class Christians. We need Christians who are poor and even homeless. We need Christians in academia and we also need Christians outside of academia. We do not need cookie cutter Christians! If all Christians were rich less people would be reached with the Gospel. If none were rich likewise not as many people would be reached with the gospel. If no Christians went into academia not as many people would be reached with the gospel. If every Christian went into academia likewise not as many people would be reached with the gospel.

We need Pastors but we also need Soldiers, Firefighters, Policemen, Lawyers, Doctors, Construction Workers, CARPENDERS lol, Politicians, and burger flippers.

You will not become rich if you become a Christian. You may but its not like God blesses everyone who gets saved financially in this life. That is a good thing! All true Christians will be richer then Bill Gates could ever hope to be when we get to heaven anyways.

We are commanded to study to be ready to give an answer to every man who asks us a reason for the hope that's in us AND to preach the gospel. The great commission is important! Money is not. Although rich Christians do have a great opportunity.

Oh btw many people say that money is the root of evil. What scripture really says is that the LOVE OF money is the root of all evil. (1 Tim 6:10)

very true but I feel I failed to expose the lie some preachers preach which is get saved it will make you rich. I did mean that to be the topic, i guess I did not do so a good job.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

very true but I feel I failed to expose the lie some preachers preach which is get saved it will make you rich. I did mean that to be the topic, i guess I did not do so a good job.

Get saved and God will make you rich? Well when God incarnated he was poor so I don't know where those people who preach that you will get financially rich if you follow God get their doctrine.

Jesus and the disciples had a collection (John 13:29 ) Jesus can materialize gold out of thin air (or water as it were Matthew 17:24-27) and yet he had a collection and purposely remained poor and homeless during the ministry(Luke 9:58 ). He could miracle up bread but yet he still bought bread.

Moses was poorer financially when in service to God then when he was a prince. Mathew was a tax collector so likewise he was richer before he served God. Well they are both richer now in heaven then they or anyone else every was on Earth but you get the point.

 

[now faith]

Yes he did judge me. He judged me for judging. That is hypocritical. Just as hypocritical as accusing someone of being an accuser. Hypocrite.

Do you know who else accused people of being hypocrites when they where in fact being hypocrites among other things? Jesus! Also Paul the man who God used to write the book of Romans accused people who needed accusing all the time. Romans 2:1 is addressing hypocrites like you and your buddy Bluelion who judge someone for doing the same exact thing that they do.

I just read your posts in The Apostles Peter and Paul need rebuking... thread. Umm you guys were extremely judgmental. Now I agree with a lot of what you guys said in that thread but you both where judging people. There is nothing wrong with judging people if it is a righteous judgment and a lot of the judgments you guys made were spot on however hypocrisy is wrong. You both claim that judging is wrong and therefor any time you judge someone you will be committing hypocrisy until you remove this heretical log from your eye. Until you two admit that judging isn't wrong and get those logs out of your eyes any judgment you make will be hypocritical. (I am going to explain why that is extremely bad and dangerous)

I was watching a 40 minute episode of the Steve Wilkos show entitled Devil Mom. I suggest you two watch it. I cant link to it but you can go to youtube and watch it. In the show Wilcos interviews a mother in jail (who got 9-20 years) who did some very horrible things to her daughter. She started having a physical relationship with her daughter at the age of 5 and at the age of 7 tried to bring her to a hotel for the purpose of selling this daughter for the night to a man she met online. This man luckily enough was a undercover cop. This mother called the undercover cop a homewrecker. Blamed the police saying the police put her and her daughters through hell. Don't judge right? She said I'm not going to do the nine years because God's not going to let me. This is why your heresy is so dangerous you two, and why I am so adamant about this whole don't judge thing.

Do you know who told me I don't have a right to judge and that only God can judge him. The pedophile who had sex with my sister when she was 13 and got her into drugs...who btw doesn't think what he did was wrong is still unrepentant and wants to become a pastor. Am I supposed to sit around with my thumb up my butt, not judgeing, if this man gets a church and some of the people attending this church have little girls I shouldn't do anything? I shouldn't judge? Ok what would you two do?

Do you wonder why I am so adamant about this issue? Well this is why!!!!!! I am sorry if I offended you or made you mad but this is a really big issue with me because I know how dangerous this false belief can be.

No you have a good point,such things as you have experienced I would judge
Such things would be beyond what I could stand.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

No you have a good point,such things as you have experienced I would judge
Such things would be beyond what I could stand.

I am sorry that I flipped out a little though. BTW the pic is my new signature....im not trying to attack you again.

Wait where did my sig go? lol On the bright side at least that new Chuck Norris pic is still up.

 

[Bluelion]

Get saved and God will make you rich? Well when God incarnated he was poor so I don't know where those people who preach that you will get financially rich if you follow God get their doctrine.

Jesus and the disciples had a collection (John 13:29 ) Jesus can materialize gold out of thin air (or water as it were Matthew 17:24-27) and yet he had a collection and purposely remained poor and homeless during the ministry(Luke 9:58 ). He could miracle up bread but yet he still bought bread.

Moses was poorer financially when in service to God then when he was a prince. Mathew was a tax collector so likewise he was richer before he served God. Well they are both richer now in heaven then they or anyone else every was on Earth but you get the point.

I see it all the time with TV preacher, they say did you know God wants you to be rich, he wants to make you rich, If you get saved God will make you rich beyond your dreams,(here is when I think surly they are talking about spiritual wealth but they go on) you know that new car you want you'll have it, you know that house you want to buy it will be yours, God is just waiting to make you rich. Remember the more you give the more God will give to you so give it all.

We give according to our heart and convictions of The Holy Spirit, we never give to get rich. That just voids all we gave, we give to give back to God, to honor Him, we give to help others to support the church. W e give because we Love God.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

I see it all the time with TV preacher, they say did you know God wants you to be rich, he wants to make you rich, If you get saved God will make you rich beyond your dreams,(here is when I think surly they are talking about spiritual wealth but they go on) you know that new car you want you'll have it, you know that house you want to buy it will be yours, God is just waiting to make you rich. Remember the more you give the more God will give to you so give it all.

We give according to our heart and convictions of The Holy Spirit, we never give to get rich. That just voids all we gave, we give to give back to God, to honor Him, we give to help others to support the church. W e give because we Love God.

Well those particular televangelists sound like con-artists to me. The more money you give them the more God is supposed to bless you financially according to them. Could just be scriptural ignorance but in some cases it just sounds so bad you have to wonder if they even believe themselves.

A pity. Every cent they spend on mansions, private jets, and other expensive things are useually donated to be used for Godly things. Spreading the gospel and helping people. Some of these people but multiple houses for themselves, jets, and it is just ridiculous. These people have been known to use the churches money directly to buy these things.

 

[stevenfrancis]

Boy, I sure hope not. It's very difficult for those folks to keep their eye on the ball, and make it into the kingdom of God.

 

[Alithis]

This is popular among tv preachers and others. They say come to God and all your dreams will come true. People say if your a Christian then you should be rich God wants you to be rich. These are all lies. While it is true God gave prosperity to Abraham and Jacob and many other in the Bible, there are just as many who were poor or slaves, prisoners in life. Jesus told the parable of the rich man and his slave. The slave did not even have enough food to eat and died horribly but was a Child of God and went to heaven where he forgot his pain. The rich man had every thing yet was not a child of God and went to hell where he suffered for ever.

God is not going to make you rich, you might be blessed beyond measure, but you might not have enough to eat. If you think your going to get rich by becoming a Christian think again. You will be rich one day if your a child of God because you will go to heaven, but on earth you might not be. Being a child of God is hard in this world, people will hate you and you will lose friends, family over it. In the end it is worth it, we do it because we love God, not to get rich or be problem free. If you truly love God you will endure.

I am rich, not because I have money I don't, most months we have to do with out to get something we need. We don't go out because we have no money. But we are happy and rich, because i feel God, see God, hear God every day. I speak to him in my dreams while cleaning the house or just getting food. I know the Arch Angel Gabriel and have spoken to him for brief times. The greatest thing is God comes to me, protect me, provides for me, keeps me. We have everything we need and much of what we want. God clothes me like he said he would, people are always giving me very nice clothes. Most people around here think we have money by our car and clothes. All of which God gave us. our car my dad work for GM so i bought the car with his help at blue book brand new. I don't feel poor, but we are well under poverty level. We are rich though be cause God takes care of us, because we have a place in Heaven. That is what it means to be rich, it is not money, or things. It is how close you are to God, the close you are the richer you are.

Peace and Love
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Starving is not blessed beyond measure.

Wouldn't you like to be a blessing,give others nice clothes?


1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 3:19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.


A homeless man thinks a man living in a old Mobil home is rich.

How much do you need to be rich?

Prosperity and lust for money are two very different things.

We cannot reach the lost,with out possession of adaquit resources.

not to disagree with your whole post -of course
just this line need amending-
We cannot reach the lost,with out possession of adaquit resources.

to - it is easier to minister need to the lost with possessions.
to reach them i need legs hands and mouth

 

[Bluelion]

not to disagree with your whole post -of course
just this line need amending-
We cannot reach the lost,with out possession of adaquit resources.

to - it is easier to minister need to the lost with possessions.
to reach them i need legs hands and mouth

Not even those brother Just your heart filled with Jesus, some of the most inspiring people are Christians who have over come disabilities like no arms or legs or can not speak, There life reaches people, all you need is to live by God, for God, and others will see.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

I make around minimum wage and I can afford to tell people about Jesus just fine. Like I said previously we need rich, middle class, and poor Christians.

Would I like more money? YES! If I was rich I would buy the apartment building next to one of the two abortion clinics by me and the commercial building next to the local planned parenthood(the other one) and start a Church. I would also be able to hand out dvds and books for free! I could star a homeless shelter with the intention of getting them back on their feet. That would be great but as far as the Great Commission and studying to give an answer to every man who asks a reason for the hope that's in us well we don't need money to do that.

 

[Bluelion]

I make around minimum wage and I can afford to tell people about Jesus just fine. Like I said previously we need rich, middle class, and poor Christians.

Would I like more money? YES! If I was rich I would buy the apartment building next to one of the two abortion clinics by me and the commercial building next to the local planned parenthood(the other one) and start a Church. I would also be able to hand out dvds and books for free! I could star a homeless shelter with the intention of getting them back on their feet. That would be great but as far as the Great Commission and studying to give an answer to every man who asks a reason for the hope that's in us well we don't need money to do that.

I have for some time wanted to help the homeless. I have put the idea out there to God. God seems to be saying this is one thing he wants me to do. I plan to start a non profit for the homeless.

I have been receiving ideas from God about a homeless village. It would work with buying farm land, and there are this new thing that came out which is soft concrete home. It is a small one room building. it comes folded up you add water then drag it out, blow it up with air and the fibers harden to concrete which a great insulator. It is Just as hard as concrete in fact it is. It even has doors on it. These could be set up on purchased farm land with many central bathrooms and a common building in the middle for kitchen and eating. The food could be collected from grocery stores about to throw out food or throwing out food past expiration date. The food would be free or cheap.

there would also be services which get the mental ill treatment and people with addiction into rehab. Once the People are stable they would be hook up with jobs and housing center of the program to find them jobs, help them save up money then locate and get into an apartment and off the street, then I new bed would open up for the next person.

That is just how far I have gotten on the idea.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

That is just how far I have gotten on the idea.

You have to do it that way as otherwise you will have people trying to take advantage of you.

Here in Iowa City we have a big problem. I have known people that had a circuit they would run. They would go from church to church asking for money and help and never try to get a job. They spend the money on Alcohol, drugs, ect. ect. I literally was asked for money by a guy rolling up a joint IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, downtown in public. These people smoke pot in the park and downtown, in front of kids, they don't care if they get arrested either.

I remember this one guy who attended my our Church a few times and then stopped for awhile. He attended one service and after the service said he just got back from a job in cali and didn't have a place to stay. He asked my pastor for a place to stay for the night. I offered to let him spend the night in my tiny efficiency apartment and I ordered us a pizza. He was hiding a open can of beer from me which could have gotten me into trouble since I was driving and he wouldn't take a shower. I offered him a shower and a change of clothes. He would not accept and stunk up my room the entire night. The next day I had a job interview at a police station. Well I woke up to him trying to light a joint!!! If I hadn't stopped him before he lighted it and he had smoked it while I was asleep I could have failed a drug test. I had to yell at him and then he had the gall to ask if he could smoke it in my bathroom. The bathroom I shared with 4 other people. (If he could afford pot, and beer couldn't he have gotten a hotel room? Maybe the reason he wouldn't take a shower or my clean clothes was because he wanted to ask people for money) Anyways he had to take off. Asked him why. Oh he had to go to court! On possession of weed!!!!

One member of my church got conned out off $500 by a homeless guy we helped out.

There are homeless people who want to help themselves and actually NEED help. These others give those homeless people a bad name. The homeless people who legitimately need help would get a lot more help if it wasn't for the con artists.

I was homeless three times myself. Once my dad conned me out of lots of money, once my mother and the other time it was my biological sister.(I was adopted at birth and unfortunately met my bio family a few years ago) I wiped out my savings helping them (loaning money to my dad and bio sis) and then ended up homeless. These incidences took place years apart though. My dad has since repented and between giving me money when I was in need, helping repair my vehicle, and paying for college he has more then paid me back, much more, not that the money was important. My mother pretended she never stole money from my checking account until the day she died.(like I imagined the whole thing)My biological sister pretends what she did never happened and that I'm nuts. (like I imagined the whole thing)