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I appreciate your feedback Gxg.

I always read your post in this forum, as you have such a kind, informative, level headed, uplifting posting gift from Him, the the Most High.

As a matter of fact, your post are extremely informative, and I read all of them very attentively.

I self exam and wonder? Do I share this to authenticate myself, or
does a mixed blood Jewish person wish to share that I am not the only one?

In my Congregation there are many that are not Jewish by linage.

What draws them? Is it a Calling from Him to a chosen few?

Are they like Ruth and deep in their spirit seem compelled or "called" to
this very difficult path and way.

The non believing / no way to accept Yeshua as the Messiah / Jewish
people that mock and criticize vehemently against this way of Judaism
do not accept.

* Note I pray and hope for that outpouring of Revelation
from the Father may come soon to all Jewish people that do not believe.

The American Church and other Christian believers mocks and condemns us also in general.
Not all, but many.

What a very very difficult path for those that are not Jewish by
any birth or bloodline, to join and embrace a Messianic Congregation, and
it's teachings.

For those with a mixed blood, and no prior Jewish upbringing it is also
a hard road to travel.

Shalom to all.

May we all be One in HIM.

Yosef
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Since this seems to be an in house problem I am making this for MJ only. Please only those who are MJ or who are members of this forum participate. :wave:Thanks!

Now, I have been noticing something , some thing growing on the forum as of late. It has peeked it's head up once in awhile but lately it's been more blatant, not as subtle, more, hit you in your face and I think it's time it needs to be addressed.

I knew what it was but not what it was called. It reeked of childhood playgrounds or nursery schools where children had not yet learned to share.

It brought to mind the movie, Nemo, where the cries of the gulls upon spotting any 'food' repeated 'mine', 'Mine', "MINE' over and over.

This same line runs throughout many of the threads here making certain ones feel second class. But over and over when I see this I know in my heart (or should I say the one who lives there) this is wrong. This is not what the L-RD wants.

First born does not mean first class, nor does second born mean second class.

Wasn't afterall, Jacob the second born? He was not chosen because he was the first born but he was chosen because he loved G-d.

Anyway, as I said this has been bothering me for a long long time. As I said, it ebbs and flows, but I've noticed it does so because of certain members who come and go.

I'm seeing those who are proponents of this urge others to do the same.

We have been trying very hard to bring about a oneness, a harmony to this forum, yet it seems that the opposite is being done, at least some undermining is going on.

So I'll get right down to it, G-d in his wisdom, separated out a people to be his own. He called them from a man who was genetically pure and who wanted to turn away from his heathen ways and follow the true G-d and him alone. For his faith and works he was promised an inheritance of families and a land to house them.

They were given rules to help them from falling back into idolatry being always surrounded by heathens, but many times as humans they fell short.

There came a time though when the promised one arrived and walked the earth. He came for the lost sheep of Israel. Now this can be interpreted in many ways. Were they lost because they had been dispersed or because they had turned away and needed to make teshuvah? I think it could be both. Either way, Yeshua taught this on the mountain:

33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
34 Then they said to Him, "Lord, give us this bread always." 35 And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."
41 The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven." 42 And they said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, 'I have come down from heaven'?" 43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, "Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.


Now if that is true, and from the Messiah should we not believe it? It means that those who truly come to him are being drawn to him, by G-d because only G-d knows who belongs to him.

Now it has been almost two thousand years and since that Gentiles have proclaimed that the Torah given at the mountain, the feasts, the foods, etc are those of the Jews. Christians were told not to do any of these things, specifically not to rest on the Sabbath. Why? because these were the things that the Jews did and the 'Jews killed Christ'. This is embedded in both the history of the Christians and Jews, this line is drawn. But I tell you this is a lie from hell, a doctrine and propaganda to keep G-d from having his children, all of them obeying him.

The enemy after being defeated at the cross went for one last shot.

He knew that the Messiah could not lie therefore he could not come back until the Jews accepted him. So what to do? First have the Jews accused of deicide which set up a hatred that still exists today. Then keep those who say they believe in the Jewish Messiah from Keeping his commandments because they were labeled the Jews, laws, feasts, holy days, etc.

Instead of bringing together the whole family a great separation was instigated. And it still continues today.

We have Jews who have become believers in Jesus, some call him Yeshua, but in this belief they also inherit the lies of what belongs to whom.

The feasts for example as many of you have debated, do not belong to the Jews, they are the L-RDs feasts. The Jews did not make them up, they were given them to keep. However there are some Jews who are believers in Messiah that think they belong to them alone, they are not for the Gentiles. And I agree, not for the Gentiles at large.

But what of those who have drawn near to G-d and chosen to keep his commandments?

I remember back over a decade ago when I found out that my Grandmother was Jewish and had 'converted' to Christianity when she married my Grandfather. It was a hard blow. But the thing is, that I had grown away from the church, I did not think what was happening there was the truth and nothing but the truth and went to study on my own. I took courses, listened to a radio station we had that broadcast only christian programs and music. I got heavily into studying the Torah, falling in love with Genesis on the way.

After many years I was drawn to get together with believers and started a long road of different churches and congregations. None of them fit, something was missing. I then online learned of MJ and went to visit a congregation and felt immediately at home! I learned of the feasts, kept Shabbat, attended conferences, classes, etc. After about 3 years of this is when I found out about my Grandmother. Needless to say I was upset. And angry. She was gone and I couldn't ask her anything. I felt betrayed, like one who was adopted but was never told.

I cried out to G-d "Why?" Why didn't you tell me this?" I believed that HE was the one who lead me to do as I had been doing, aligning myself with his word, keeping his holy days, no longer keeping the others, keeping Shabbat, etc.

His answer was - I wanted you to do it out of love for me, not because you felt obligated because you are of Jewish blood.

I was floored, I should have seen it, but I didn't. But it makes perfect sense. But I was not raised Jewish, nor my mother, except in a secular way, but my Grandmother was not just a marriage convert like many Goyim that marry Jews and have a fake conversion, but she truly loved the L-RD, her life revolved around Jesus and she was always in church.

So I consider myself Jewish in some sense but not Gentile because that includes all others. I basically consider myself a child of G-d by choice, not birth, I obey Him because I love him and was drawn to him, as Yeshua said.

Now I don't think this means that everyone drawn to MJ has 'Jewish blood', G-d knows, but he knows also who belongs to him and they are sprinkled everywhere, therefore He knows who is his and thus draws them towards his son.

I think the problem on here is that some are locked into 'being Jewish' moreso than being a child of G-d. And this is where Jewish Ethnocentricity comes in. There are many Jews who do not accept Yeshua as Messiah that believe in the separation from the nations still and that gentiles marrying Jews will dilute the Holy Blood, but now I think that G-d is working through his Son to bring those back to him who were previously lost. I've seen many a Jew marry a Gentile because of attraction, and this Gentile was a Christian and later find out they were descended from conversos. Is it a coincidense? I think not. But that still gives no one the right to say, the Torah is for Jews only to those who have been drawn to it.

I don't believe in forcing it on anyone and 99% of those in the Christian churches are more than happy to live without it, those that are drawn usually come out and find MJ.

To stop those who are being drawn is nothing short of being a Pharisee in the way Yeshua spoke of making converts as well as speaking of the kingdom where they were not entering as well as keeping others out.

He also spoke about keeping the commandments and that sure, you will end up in the kingdom, but if you teach others not to keep them you will be in the 'nose bleed' section which is far from the throne.



And yet those who are of the nations and have been called out and who are G-d fearers whom Peter proclaimed G-d made no distinction between are told that the Torah is not for them, they must remain unclean?

This has to stop. Those who are drawn by G-d and really could it be by the adversary or just human being that want to subject themselves to this, com'mon! should not be discouraged from doing so. No it does not entitle them to call themselves Jews, but a child of G-d or a G-d fearer.

Yeshua said, suffer the little children to come unto me. Was he just speaking about kids? Or the children of G-d being drawn to him?

Why is it those who are drawn to Judaism from the nations allowed to 'convert' and be accepted by Jews as Jews, but this doesn't hold for Gentiles who are drawn to MJ and be accepted as the same?

This Jewish ethnocentrism on this forum needs to stop and now.

Pushing out the Gentiles who want to draw near to G-d is not what He wants.

Who are the True Saints, not by man but by G-d?

Here is the steadfastness of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.


Now who are they? Are they Jews, are they Gentiles or a totally different group, the children of G-d?

Sorry to say but the purpose of Messianic Judaism just like the non believing synagogue is to serve Jews. Maybe I could say that the Messianic Jewish synagogue/Judaism is pretty close to Reform Judaism as it pertains to non Jews and the relationship.


The sermons and papers that are perceived as Jewish ethno-centric are a reaction to non Jews wanting equality. Some hear have called such racism. Like I said just like our 'regular' synagogues the purpose is to serve Jews.
 
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That's fine Marc but that is in RL, this is a forum and shouldn't be held under the auspices of any Association or Congregations bylaws or SOP SOF.

There shouldn't be any walls or caveats on a forum keeping others from participating because they aren't Jewish or Jewish enough. Frankly you are probably the only one here that can say you are an accepted Jew.

There needs to be a place for those who don't feel accepted in Churches or Messianic Synagogues or even if attending them don't feel able to converse freely.

We are equal here, there is no hierarchy and there shouldn't be one or anyone lording it over another because of their genetics.

Do you really want to be the only one here in this forum Marc? No one is taking anything from you, that is what I meant by Jewish Ethnocentrism. The others get it because they've been on the other end of the stick and it's not nice.

I was an only child growing up so I never learned to share, but I am a very giving person and not by my own judgement, but by others who have said this about me. I would give the shirt off my back, the food from my pantry, anything I have to give. I share as I believe we are all called to do. And the best thing I have to share ? Is G-d and how to show Him that you love him. I claim none of it as my own and I am challenging you to dig deep and see what I am saying.

That land over across the sea, Israel, that land belongs to G-d, not the Jews, it only belongs to those who have taken the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as their own (and that goes for Jews especially because not all do) and cling to him, and obey him.
Otherwise as he said himself, the land would spit them out.
 
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Whoo Hooo! Great job Lulav!

I could hardly keep my seat while reading this. And of one thing I am sure! The angels in heaven are singing your praises before His throne, even as we speak!
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

The Torah was given as a wall between the Gentiles and the Jews? Someone has a problem with reading comprehension - or worse. Gotta bulletin for them. The Kingdom of Heaven was taken from the Leaders of Israel. The have no more authority. Torah belongs to all bene Adam; all those that would produce fruit for the Kingdom. Don't believe me? Ask Y'shua.

Just speaking what has been on my mind for awhile and from what I've been seeing. Unity will never come to fruition here while some insist on being stingy and putting others away, corralling them in a gentile ghetto.


Yes! one Torah for all! But remember the Torah applies differently of you're a woman, man, slave, native born, get toshav etc, priest....

The Torah is the law of the Kingdom.
Of course, that goes without saying but there are 'general' instructions that apply to all.

Absolutely agree with the both of y'all.

Sempre avanti con molto forza!!!! 'Always forward with much strength'. And what can be stronger than the plain pure WORD? Nothing.

As opposed to the several few who seem to want to be stingy(bratty?), I am an old Jew who favors Inclusion, not exclusivity, with appropriate and necessary instruction as needed.

I'm due for 2 MRI's this AM and a bone marrow sample to be taken this PM so I will be absent for awhile.

Pace i salute a tutti,
ciaou.
Amen! Share and share alike.

Did not Yeshua say 'Freely you have received, Freely give'?

I will be praying for you too.

Great post Lulav :cheer: I would love to hear what our members think about this as well. :angel:

I'm sure you will! ;) I think some may not want to say, others are still stuck in a rut and need some help seeing things from another view./.

There is a swell on the horizon building up into a coming tsunami of hungry and thirsty gentiles and heathen, thirsty for Torah and Truth, knowing that their previous shepherds have lied to them. Torah and those who know it according to the Testimony of Yeshua will be in great demand but those who try to tell them that Torah is not for them will be relegated to the dustbin of history. :)
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Looked hard.... nope... not a drop of Jewish blood in over six generation in all four branches of my grandparents....

Lulav... thank you
You're welcome.


As this doesn't seem to be beneficial to the OP I have deleted the quote.

Please, if you don't have something nice or proper to say, please don't say it at all. Better to choke on your own vomit than to offend.
 
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That's fine Marc but that is in RL, this is a forum and shouldn't be held under the auspices of any Association or Congregations bylaws or SOP SOF.

Yes the SoP was changed recently. Before it was changed it reflected Messianic Judaism.

Lulav said:
There shouldn't be any walls or caveats on a forum keeping others from participating because they aren't Jewish or Jewish enough. Frankly you are probably the only one here that can say you are an accepted Jew.

No one is putting up any walls. It's a wall that is being made up. Come on we all know what Messianic Judaism is from others posting and mis-representing Messianic Jewish leaders audios and writings.

What do you mean I'm an accepted Jew?

Lulav said:
There needs to be a place for those who don't feel accepted in Churches or Messianic Synagogues or even if attending them don't feel able to converse freely.

Ok I believe it's possible that there are people who attend Messianic Jewish synagogues in real life and post their displeasures here.

Lulav said:
We are equal here, there is no hierarchy and there shouldn't be one or anyone lording it over another because of their genetics.

Unfortunately Messianic Judaism purpose is a place for Jewish believers and serves Jewish believers. The same that a synagogue would do. So it's not even about hierarchy.

Lulav said:
Do you really want to be the only one here in this forum Marc? No one is taking anything from you, that is what I meant by Jewish Ethnocentrism. The others get it because they've been on the other end of the stick and it's not nice.

The Messianic Jewish stuff that's out there pertaining to non Jews and Torah is a reaction. It's pretty much in line with our unbelieving Jewish brethren. Why? because we are Judaism.

Lulav said:
That land over across the sea, Israel, that land belongs to G-d, not the Jews, it only belongs to those who have taken the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as their own (and that goes for Jews especially because not all do) and cling to him, and obey him.
Otherwise as he said himself, the land would spit them out.

The fact is as you said it's G-d's land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Israel's descendants. Paul talks about a Jewish remnant.
 
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Actually Sis, I found DBYs post personally offensive and I am glad that it is gone. My wife liked it even less, considering the innuendo concerning you and I. Could I ask that you and Vis edit out that part? I see no good reason to preserve such suggestions. I would be grateful if you did.

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You're welcome.

I'm confused perhaps you could help me, I can't find this post on this thread it seems it might be in answer to my OP but I can't say. :scratch: :confused:
 
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There is a heretical teaching that Jewish believers in Messiah are in some way superior to their gentile brothers based on the false assumption that they are still the custodians of the Kingdom of Heaven and of Torah. This is not true.

This teaching is refuted by Messiah Y'shua long before His disciples. I have posted scripture to this effect here, here, here and a great post by Daq, here. It is simply based on the pronouncement to the 'Elders of Israel' (the Priests, the Pharisees and the Torah teachers of the party of Herod) to wit: "Therefore, I tell you that the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to the kind of people that will produce its fruit!”

Please read the links. I think you will find them edifying.

Blessings,
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There is a heretical teaching that Jewish believers in Messiah are in some way superior to their gentile brothers based on the false assumption that they are still the custodians of the Kingdom of Heaven and of Torah. This is not true.

This teaching is refuted by Messiah Y'shua long before His disciples. I have posted scripture to this effect here, here, here and a great post by Daq, here. It is simply based on the pronouncement to the 'Elders of Israel' (the Priests, the Pharisees and the Torah teachers of the party of Herod) to wit: "Therefore, I tell you that the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to the kind of people that will produce its fruit!”

Please read the links. I think you will find them edifying.

Blessings,
Phillip

Stop mis-representing. If messianic Judaism purpose is a place for Jewish believers and serve Jewish believers, what's wrong with that? It's the same in 'traditional' Judaism. You have problem with traditional Judaism serving Jews?

Actually you're violating the SoP...

"We strongly affirm the uniqueness and centrality of Yeshua as Messiah, but we avoid defining ourselves in contrast with traditional Judaism. We maintain a supportive stance toward Jewish history and the current Jewish community, even as we disagree with it in our view of Yeshua. We encourage learning Jewish history and values."
 
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Stop mis-representing. If messianic Judaism purpose is a place for Jewish believers and serve Jewish believers, what's wrong with that? It's the same in 'traditional' Judaism. You have problem with traditional Judaism serving Jews?

Actually you're violating the SoP...

"We strongly affirm the uniqueness and centrality of Yeshua as Messiah, but we avoid defining ourselves in contrast with traditional Judaism. We maintain a supportive stance toward Jewish history and the current Jewish community, even as we disagree with it in our view of Yeshua. We encourage learning Jewish history and values."
oops sorry, really
 
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Well, I guess Y'shua might get kicked from the forum for violating the SoP. Good luck with that. Besides, even you would have to concede that traditional Judaism allows Gentiles to convert. We just don't require them to renounce Y'shua! :D
 
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Well, I guess Y'shua might get kicked from the forum for violating the SoP. Good luck with that. Besides, even you would have to concede that traditional Judaism allows Gentiles to convert. We just don't require them to renounce Y'shua! :D

I don't appreciate your crusade in contrasting Messianic Judaism from traditional Judaism and it's against the SoP.
 
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I don't like your crusade to characterize Messianic Judaism as for Jews only, Jews first or that Gentiles need a special Divine calling. So I guess we are both disappointed. ;)

Speaking of the SoP, what happened to "Or that Messianic Jews or Gentiles must forsake their covenantal responsibilities within Torah."?
I have an idea. Let's ask Tishri to clarify, shall we?

Tishri, would you please clarify the rules for us all? Whatever you say, that is what we will obey! :thumbsup:

QUESTION:
  1. Is Messianic Judaism only for Messianic Jews?
  2. Is there any scriptural support for a separation between Gentiles and Jews in Messianic Judaism?
  3. Is the SoP intended to foster a separation between Gentiles and Jews in the Messianic Judaism forum?
I don't appreciate your crusade in contrasting Messianic Judaism from traditional Judaism and it's against the SoP.
 
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I don't like your crusade to characterize Messianic Judaism as for Jews only, Jews first or that Gentiles need a special Divine calling. So I guess we are both disappointed. ;)

Speaking of the SoP, what happened to "Or that Messianic Jews or Gentiles must forsake their covenantal responsibilities within Torah."?
I have an idea. Let's ask Tishri to clarify, shall we?

Tishri, would you please clarify the rules for us all? Whatever you say, that is what we will obey! :thumbsup:

QUESTION:
  1. Is Messianic Judaism only for Messianic Jews?
  2. Is there any scriptural support for a separation between Gentiles and Jews in Messianic Judaism?
  3. Is the SoP intended to foster a separation between Gentiles and Jews in the Messianic Judaism forum?

I have spoken what the likes of MJAA and UMJC are, which is a place for Jewish believers and serves Jews just like our 'traditional' counter parts.

I will defend this "We strongly affirm the uniqueness and centrality of Yeshua as Messiah, but we avoid defining ourselves in contrast with traditional Judaism. We maintain a supportive stance toward Jewish history and the current Jewish community, even as we disagree with it in our view of Yeshua. We encourage learning Jewish history and values."

You're questions are loaded questions. Is a traditional non believing synagogue only for Jews? Yes

I will defend someone trying to define in contrast to traditional Judaism and the current Jewish culture.

Your questions are loaded because Messianic Judaism seeks to not be in contrast to traditional Judaism.
 
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Sorry MJB,

You misunderstand the SoP. The focus is on the Judaism of Messiah Y'shua. Show me a traditional Jewish synagogue that recognizes Y'shua as Messiah and I'll go join today! OK?

In the mean time, show me the scripture from the Brith Chadasha after the fulfillment of the Temple prophecy of Matthew 24, that puts Jews over Gentiles instead of 'JEW AND GENTILE, ONE NEW MAN IN MESSIAH'. Take your time, I'll wait.

Oh, while you are at it, please explain what, or re-erecting the ‘wall of partition’, from the SoP mean too. OK?

I have spoken what the likes of MJAA and UMJC are, *snip*
 
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Sorry MJB,

You misunderstand the SoP. The focus is on the Judaism of Messiah Y'shua. Show me a traditional Jewish synagogue that recognizes Y'shua as Messiah and I'll go join today! OK?

In the mean time, show me the scripture from the Brith Chadasha after the fulfillment of the Temple prophecy of Matthew 24, that puts Jews over Gentiles instead of 'JEW AND GENTILE, ONE NEW MAN IN MESSIAH'. Take your time, I'll wait.
You would think after 2000 years, Yeshua would be recognized as the author and finisher of this faith, that the bond has been made of the two twigs intertwined, and we would be celebrating the Holy Spirits achievements in making it so. Gentiles coming into this faith have let go of the RCC spiritual foray that most Christian congregation still consume for Yeshua style Judaism. Shouldn't Jews who have come to love Yeshua above all else be doing the same?
 
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Btw Marc, thanks for demonstrating what Jewish Ethnocentrism is.

Matt 32:13 “But woe to you hypocritical Torah-teachers and P’rushim! For you are shutting the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces, neither entering yourselves nor allowing those who wish to enter to do so. 14 [a]

15 “Woe to you hypocritical Torah-teachers and P’rushim! You go about over land and sea to make one proselyte; and when you succeed, you make him twice as fit for Gei-Hinnom as you are!

16 “Woe to you, you blind guides!

Luke 11:52 “Woe to you Torah experts! For you have taken away the key of knowledge! Not only did you yourselves not go in, you also have stopped those who were trying to enter!”

Isn't Torah 'The Key of Knowledge'? Boy can't have those Gentiles getting hold of that. Stop 'em at the door and demand to see their 'Divine Invitation'! :doh:
 
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Sorry MJB,

You misunderstand the SoP. The focus is on the Judaism of Messiah Y'shua. Show me a traditional Jewish synagogue that recognizes Y'shua as Messiah and I'll go join today! OK?

In the mean time, show me the scripture from the Brith Chadasha after the fulfillment of the Temple prophecy of Matthew 24, that puts Jews over Gentiles instead of 'JEW AND GENTILE, ONE NEW MAN IN MESSIAH'. Take your time, I'll wait.

Oh, while you are at it, please explain what, or re-erecting the ‘wall of partition’, from the SoP mean too. OK?

First the SoP says don't contrast with traditional Judaism. Whether traditional Judaism has Yeshua is irrelevant to your crusade.

The point is you have posted stuff that condemns Messianic Judaism and have mis-. If you don't like Messianic Judaism then I suggest you find or create your own.

If the purpose of Messianic Judaism in it's infancy was to be a place for Jewish believers and serve Jewish believers and their families, what's wrong with that? Now you're going out on a crusade to change the purpose? I find it hard that will happen because since the primarily purpose was to create Jewish space you only need 10 Jewish males. Same applies in a traditional synagogue.

Go in a orthodox synagogue and wear tzizit and see where that gets you. See you wouldn't do that I hope.

And my response is to address condemnation of traditional Judaism and Messianic Judaism.
 
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You would think...
You would think after 2000 years, Yeshua would be recognized as the author and finisher of this faith, that the bond has been made of the two twigs intertwined, and we would be celebrating the Holy Spirits achievements in making it so. Gentiles coming into this faith have let go of the RCC spiritual foray that most Christian congregation still consume for Yeshua style Judaism. Shouldn't Jews who have come to love Yeshua above all else be doing the same?
 
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