A Pondering of the Peculiar

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And, how do you know all this to be true?

The fact is, I do. The real question is.. Why can't you?

If you walk into a room and someone is high on grass? Do you tell him he can't feel high, because you don't? He can offer you some. But, if you refuse? You have no right to tell him his getting high is faked.

But, in regards to knowing God/ That's precisely what you do with me. Knowing God is receiving an altered state of perception that takes place at regeneration. Its not simply "joining a club." But, you keep refusing the free offer. And, its legal in all fifty states.
 
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Does anything not go according to God's plan?

According to his foreknowledge.. God works all things that are not his will, to end up being as he planned. For example.. God did not plan for you to be an atheist. But, since you have made that choice, God has a plan that will use your life as a means to gain benefit for someone else who does know Him.
 
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If I told you he was, would you worship him just on my say so? What if I wrote a creation story where Santa Claus was the creator of the Universe, and I claimed to be inspired by Santa Claus, would you be convinced then?

Not me. But some idiots would join your cult. Maybe your dog will join too.
 
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Sure there is. Unless you can prove that Allah won't send you to hell for not being Muslim. You've just missed the very-easy-to-grasp-for-most-people point.


How can I explain to you what Allah is? If you do not even know God? You're like a person with a disorder who can not taste food, insisting that I tell him what a grape tastes like. That's how inane some of the demands of atheists are to a Christian.
 
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The fact is, I do. The real question is.. Why can't you?

If you walk into a room and someone is high on grass? Do you tell him he can't feel high, because you don't? He can offer you some. But, if you refuse? You have no right to tell him his getting high is faked.

But, in regards to knowing God/ That's precisely what you do with me. Knowing God is receiving an altered state of perception that takes place at regeneration. Its not simply "joining a club." But, you keep refusing the free offer. And, its legal in all fifty states.

Wow. That's the first time I've ever heard anyone make a god/weed comparison. Good jerb.
 
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Basically, why Pascal's wager is a stupid argument: of the hundreds, if not thousands, of religions that have existed, the statistical chances of yours being the correct one are so small that there is no real increase in the likelihood of having a positive afterlife by choosing to be religious.



Those thousands of religions were inspired by the same source. The god of this world. On the other hand, God only has one system for faith. Those who seek God always find Him, no matter what religion they had been born into. I was brought up a Jew. Christianity was not to be discussed in my home. I kept on seeking God. For God was seeking me. At first my father disowned me. That could not stop me. Later on, my father found Christ.
 
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I really hate it when people keep trying to use Pascal's wager. As if one can have true belief through that kind of persuasion anyway.

Not persuasion from any man, anyway. For, God is real. Its shocks you when God opens the door and turns on the light. Its personal. There are people right now who are Christian, but the typical mainstream Christian who has been indoctrinated into his brand, would pass judgement. For all I know? You may already be a Christian. But, you think you are an atheist because you have not been shown what Christianity is.

Its not joining a club to please others around you. Though, many Christians end up doing that to themselves. Its very private and personal. God can have a conversation with anyone, no matter what level of genius he/she may be.
 
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Not persuasion from any man, anyway. For, God is real. Its shocks you when God opens the door and turns on the light. Its personal. There are people right now who are Christian, but the typical mainstream Christian who has been indoctrinated into his brand, would pass judgement. For all I know? You may already be a Christian. But, you think you are an atheist because you have not been shown what Christianity is.

Its not joining a club to please others around you. Though, many Christians end up doing that to themselves. Its very private and personal. God can have a conversation with anyone, no matter what level of genius he/she may be.

It is arrogant to think that you or any other person can have a personal relationship with such a deity.
 
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It is arrogant to think that you or any other person can have a personal relationship with such a deity.


:D You're so stale.


Do you have a book... How to insult Christians for Dummies?



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:D You're so stale.


Do you have a book... How to insult Christians for Dummies?



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No. Why should an almighty powerful being even bother with an insignificant temporary being such as you, myself, or any other human.

Why should you get special treatment, while thousands of babies die prematurely all around the world before they can even speak?

And you can't have a relationship with someone you can't communicate with, your relationship is a farce of reading into normal events and the absurdity of labeling spirituality on the basis of a god as the same as having a relationship with them.
 
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Not persuasion from any man, anyway. For, God is real. Its shocks you when God opens the door and turns on the light. Its personal. There are people right now who are Christian, but the typical mainstream Christian who has been indoctrinated into his brand, would pass judgement. For all I know? You may already be a Christian. But, you think you are an atheist because you have not been shown what Christianity is.

Its not joining a club to please others around you. Though, many Christians end up doing that to themselves. Its very private and personal. God can have a conversation with anyone, no matter what level of genius he/she may be.
In this "conversation", do you hear voices? Can you get an answer that might demonstrate that it is not simply a product of your imagination?
 
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The fact is, I do. The real question is.. Why can't you?

If you walk into a room and someone is high on grass? Do you tell him he can't feel high, because you don't? He can offer you some. But, if you refuse? You have no right to tell him his getting high is faked.

But, in regards to knowing God/ That's precisely what you do with me. Knowing God is receiving an altered state of perception that takes place at regeneration. Its not simply "joining a club." But, you keep refusing the free offer. And, its legal in all fifty states.

I asked a simple question; how exactly do you know it is true?

Hey, you can believe what you want and I'm sure you have your personal reasons to believe what you do, just as I have my reasons for choosing to not believe in your God. And your right, it's free to believe in anything you like, just as those who believe in different Gods than you, or not God all together.
 
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No. Why should an almighty powerful being even bother with an insignificant temporary being such as you, myself, or any other human.


Because what we are destined for is not what we are now.

Why should you get special treatment, while thousands of babies die prematurely all around the world before they can even speak?

They are very happy to be in the presence of the Lord. But, lets not argue over what you do not understand. Just the same. Because you asked? That is the answer. Babies that die go immediately to heaven. After all, God controls who lives, and dies... so, he can determine which babies this will happen to.

And you can't have a relationship with someone you can't communicate with, your relationship is a farce of reading into normal events and the absurdity of labeling spirituality on the basis of a god as the same as having a relationship with them.

If you say I can't? Well? Unless you are God? It does not have to be as you claim.

If God could be known? Would you want to know him?
 
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In this "conversation", do you hear voices? Can you get an answer that might demonstrate that it is not simply a product of your imagination?


Its not hearing voices.

Ever think to yourself? Are you hearing a voice?
 
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Hey, you can believe what you want and I'm sure you have your personal reasons to believe what you do, just as I have my reasons for choosing to not believe in your God. And your right, it's free to believe in anything you like, just as those who believe in different Gods than you, or not God all together.


Man's volition is like that alleged rock that God could create that is too heavy for him to lift. God can not force your volition.

God will let you choose as you wish. If He did not? It would mean that He failed to create man in His image. God honors your right to reject Him.
 
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Because what we are destined for is not what we are now.



They are very happy to be in the presence of the Lord. But, lets not argue over what you do not understand. Just the same. Because you asked? That is the answer. Babies that die go immediately to heaven. After all, God controls who lives, and dies... so, he can determine which babies this will happen to.



If you say I can't? Well? Unless you are God? It does not have to be as you claim.

If God could be known? Would you want to know him?

If god would actually be willing to answer, I do have a lot of questions to ask. God, not the bible, god would have to personally be willing to answer.

And humans are destined to die, that is the only certainty, and some people have dared to wonder if, perhaps, technology can even escape that fate we all share.

Fate other than that interferes with free will, we aren't fated to do anything, even by biblical standards.

And there is no reason for god to hide away, knowing that by doing so the majority of humanity will not believe in the "correct" way, if any.

And what would you do if YOU were left behind? That your precious god left you despite your beliefs for some trivial reason.

God doesn't care. God is a selfish entity that created an entire race for the sole purpose of worshiping him, that purposely designed us with flaws and then gets mad when those flaws cause us to do things that god doesn't like, even though it was perfectly within its power to make all people perfect. God is the sole source of sin, for god placed the tree of knowledge within reach, god allowed humans the capacity to disobey, god allowed the serpent to exist there, and failing to prevent an evil you were perfectly capable of preventing is practically as bad as committing the act yourself. God allows children to die and people to be raped. God allows people to not believe and go to hell. God could fix the broken watch that is humanity, and chooses not to, but still gets angry when it doesn't work. The only one at fault here is god, for the root of all that is wrong lies not in god's creations, the humans, or even the devil, but in god, because all flaws are put there knowingly.

Unless, of course, no god was involved at all. Then we are accountable for our actions, the deaths of many babies are tragic realities of living, the murder and rape evils within people that were always in human history.

And when you realize these flaws are by chance, you understand that they aren't stable, unchanging parts of humanity, but fixable flaws that, with enough effort, we can better ourselves as both individuals and as a society.
 
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Man's volition is like that alleged rock that God could create that is too heavy for him to lift. God can not force your volition.

God will let you choose as you wish. If He did not? It would mean that He failed to create man in His image. God honors your right to reject Him.

He already failed to create us in his image, if god is truly 100% benevolent. Last time I checked, humans are a historically violent race.
 
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Man's volition is like that alleged rock that God could create that is too heavy for him to lift. God can not force your volition.

God will let you choose as you wish. If He did not? It would mean that He failed to create man in His image. God honors your right to reject Him.

Yes, I have heard that before and your other attempts to explain the characteristics of the God you believe in. How you could possibly know all of these specific details that describe God and the meaning of what he supposedly does or doesn't do (which by the way, many christians have different explanations) is something that is quite amazing.

For me, I simply don't buy the christian story because of the flawed book that describes it and a good hard look at the realities of the world we live in. Simply couldn't keep fooling myself the story was legit.

But as I said, to each's own.
 
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Its not hearing voices.

Ever think to yourself? Are you hearing a voice?

Exactly: you are talking to yourself. It's usually one's conscience people imagine is god in this conversation. You are just having a conversation with a part of yourself and attributing it to an outside source. There is no else there, just you.
 
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